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Cnn has learned the Fulton County grand jury will hear the Election Subversion Case against donald trump today. Donald trump is, once again, publicly lashing out. This time his target is one of the witnesses in that case. Were live outside court with the latest. At least 96 people are confirmed dead from the wildfire that ripped through maui. Officials are warning the death toll will rise as crews have only been able to search 3 of the burn area so far. The help now being sent in to assist with the search with so many people still missing. Six former Mississippi Police officers known as the goon squad in court to face charges accused of torturing two black men in a racist assault. Im john berman with kate bolduan and sara sidner. This is cnn news central. This hour, there is a lot of activity happening inside an atlanta courtroom and in the coming days it could lead to Donald Trumps newest and fourth indictment this year. Were told the grand jury that will make a decision will hear the case today. Sources telling cnn a former State Senator from georgia who was subpoenaed to testify arrived just last hour. Sources also say Fulton County Da Fani Willis is expected to call multiple witnesses as she wraps up her 2020 election interference case and seeks charges against possibly more than a dozen people. Whats key to understand this morning . The nature of this case and the potential legal risks for donald trump this time around and how that might be different than his last three indictments because these are State Charges in part. Sarah marie is outside the courthouse. All this activity thats happening inside, donald trump is posting brandnew attacks against someone who was one of the witnesses. What can you tell us about that . Reporter yeah, thats right. Obviously whats going on in the courtroom today and the courthouse today is a grand jury presentation and thats being done under a seal. But the grand jury will be beginning to hear this case against donald trump and his allies today as you pointed out. We confirm theres one witness who is there to testify today. Our colleagues at the Atlanta Journalconstitution Have Spotted Two other potential witnesses testifying today and even though donald trump has assisted hes done Nothing Wrong in georgia, he has been lashing out on his social media platform, including against one of the witnesses who is expected to testify tomorrow. Jeff duncan. Donald trump took to his social media account to say hes Reading Reports that the failed Lieutenant Governor of georgia will be testifying before the Fulton County grand jury. Trump goes on to say he shouldnt and then he goes onto launch a number of other attacks against duncan. Again, this grand jury presentation is expected to take up to two days. Of course were going to be on high alert for any potential indictment announcements today or tomorrow. And this is a sprawling case. This has been a 2 1 2 year investigation that was set off when donald trump made that phone call to Brad Raffensperger and pressed him to find the votes for trump to win the state of georgia. Its gone onto include the fake elector scheme, an Harassment Campaign against Election Workers as well as a Voting Systems breach in georgia, sarah. All right. Thank you for all of that. I appreciate it. John . Just a reminder, these were the Election Results in georgia in 2020. This was the margin between the two candidates, joe biden won by 11,779 votes. That was the number that donald trump called Brad Raffensperger and said find me more votes than that. This grand jury, these hearings are taking place in Fulton County. That is where atlanta is. Very briefly, sarah murray mentioned Coffee County down in the southern part of the state. You can see donald trump won that with nearly 70 of the vote. Theres just over 15,000 voters in that county, but its in the county, there appears to be Text Messages and emails between Trump Campaign officials and officials in this county talking about seizing and cracking open the Voting Machines there. All right, with us now to talk about all this is cnn contributor john dean. Former Nixon White House council. If we can, i want to start in Fulton County where the former Lieutenant Governor is going to testify tomorrow. We saw that social media from donald trump, im Reading Reports that failed former Lieutenant Governor of Georgia Duncan will be testifying before the grand jury. He shouldnt. He then goes on to say, i barely know him, but he was right from the beginning of the witchhunt a nasty disaster looking into the Election Fraud that took place in georgia, et cetera, et cetera. You have the potential defendant in here talking about a witness testifying saying he shouldnt. What are the potential problems there, john . Well, thats not very smart. Its witness tampering pretty blatantly. Hes trying to send a message to duncan to withhold or whatever. Trump is just he just doesnt seem to be able to help himself. Hes under productive orders elsewhere in new york and now in d. C. He knows better. But he just doesnt seem to be able to behave. And i dont know what a judge will do in georgia when the indictment comes down and he finds himself in front of a judge. This is happening in georgia right now. In washington, d. C. , right here, john, there is the federal case against donald trump where the judge has warned donald trump about his social media messages. What role, if any, will these messages directed at georgia witnesses have maybe in the federal case . Theyll have no effect because she the d. C. Judge, she has no jurisdiction over whats happening in georgia. But she it will not go unnoticed by her. He has been somewhat restrained in d. C. Apparently yesterday the only thing i happened to notice was that he reposted a picture and a critical remark of the d. C. Judge and whether shell react to that or not, i dont know. Its not as hes trying to play a game and see how close to the line he can get and how he can send harassment without actually be the harasser, if you will. Sarah murray and others are reporting that in Coffey County that the da has Text Messages and emails between Trump Campaign emails and officials in this county talking about getting access to the voting machine. These are receipts. What role could these texts and emails play in this trial, john . Documents always play a big role. They are not impeachable. They say what they say. They are cant be cross examined and they have a big impact on juries. When theres jury polling later or juries discuss whats influenced, its often the documents that have the biggest impact on them because they can really no Credibility Issue with the document. A document is a document. So that is a powerful piece of evidence. All right, john dean, always great to see you. Thank you so much for your help today. Security is tight right now around that courthouse were talking about. New charges, new potential charges loom for concerns over safety have been paramount as the da herself has been the target of threats and attacks. Attacks including from donald trump who has called Willis Racist and called her investigation corrupt. Nick valencia is tracking this for us. What are you seeing there . Theres a lot of activity at the courthouse today. Reporter there is, actually, just in the last several minutes, theres been an uptick in activity. This is unrelated to the former president. Just in the last several minutes, about 20 to 30 protestors showed up. Theres another separate issue going on in the city right now. Those individuals who are protesting the building of that facility have used this scene and this atmosphere outside of the courthouse to bring their own issues. The main headline, though, today as it relates to the Fulton County investigation and the efforts by trump and his allies to overturn the 2020 election is that theres no credible evidence. Metal barricades, a heavier presence of sheriffs departments, Law Enforcement sources tell us theres a lot of things we dont see happening. Weve assumed that means snipers and other security measures that are in place to make sure that nothing happens. Theres a lot of legitimate concern about things going down here if only because of the lax gun laws, if only because of the large contingent of Trump Supporters and hes encouraged them to take to the streets and use really explosive rhetoric calling this investigation politically motivated, calling fani Willis Racist. All of that has led to Credible Threats against the safety of fani willis. Shes had to change her security detail. Were seeing the Security Details here. This main street in front the courthouse has been closed down. Theres still foot traffic in anticipation as the grand jury hears efvidence and against trup and we wait for the indictment. Thank you so much for being there. Coming up for us, teams are coming through the ash and the rubble in maui with a painstaking task ahead of them looking for human remains. And survivors of the fires, theyre struggling as were seeing to find a place to stay and other basic necessities. Adding to the unfolding tragedy, lawsuit has just been filed. Plus they call themselves the goon squad. Six former Police Officers facing more charges now for torturing two black men. Why theyre headed back to the course. And nasas Webb Telescope spots something raising a new Cosmic Question. Well be back. Try killing bugs the worryfree way. Not the other way. Zevo traps use light to attract and trap flying insects with no odor and no mess. 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Tell us what its still obviously just after 5 00 in the morning. Tell us what youve been hearing from folks there, what youre seeing there this morning. Reporter sure, kate. Good morning to you. And to set the scene, where we are right now, this is the only check point that can get you into the disaster zone, into lahaina. When people come up this ridge, were up this cliff 1,000 feet above the Pacific Ocean to this entry route, into the disaster zone, they pull over and they talk to us about the need for accountability. Kate, i cant tell you how over the past few days more and more people have said that something needs to happen with the power company, changes need to be made like have been made in california after the campfire in 2018 when 85 people died. Specifically that leads to this lawsuit that you mentioned. Over the weekend, three law firms filed a lawsuit on behalf of a couple who live in lahaina. It accuses Hawaiian Electric for failing to shut off the power at the peak of this crisis reaching 80 miles per hour, 130 kilometers an hour. It claims the company help caused the fire that led to deaths, injuries and what its saying is that in california, if there is high wind danger, pg e now turns off parts of its Power Infrastructure because when you have the threat of live energized wires potentially crashing to the ground, that could set off a spark. So anguish and accountability are tied together. Listen, kate, to what susan who passed through this checkpoint a few hours ago had to say on that front. When i drove through on friday, i had no clue what i was going through. I got so everything is gone. I lost friends in there. They were going back to get their animals. So i mean, its really sad because people come over here, you know, i heard there was a Snorkeling Boat looking at the town. Give them respect. Its so bad. This is people died here. People i mean, its not just a place for vacation. We live here. Reporter the only thing making that worse is the process of finding the missing and finding the human remains. Therein lies the potential of where hundreds of people could still be missing. That unknown looms large over the entire island of maui. This process of grief is only beginning, kate. Thats absolutely right. Mike, thank you very much for your reporting. John . So as just reported there, the Community On Maui is coming together at this difficult time. Bill weir has more on the relif efforts under way. Reporter aloha from the north side of lahaina, just one of the several thousand structures that were completely burned, gutted by the firestorm last week here. This is the line that the Fire Department on this part of lahaina held. They decided were going to keep it here, this particular neighborhood. Most of it survived as a result. Let me show you the contrast right here. This is the home of archie. Hes a legendary surfer, lifeguard, a Waterman Hall of famer on maui. Ninth generation hawaiian family from the lahaina area. And you can see what the spirit of ohana or the spirit of family on the Hawaiian Islands as the islands begin Flooding Donations here. Theyve set up a command post, improvised First Responders here, all volunteers, all people from the community and theyve creative several of these pods around the burned area of the fire zone. You can see all the diapers and critical supplies, the water, the food, its a selforganizing system. Archie has great Leadership Experience as a lifeguard extraordinaire and its all coming into play right now. People trust him. He says that the state and federal response is getting a bad wrap. Theres a perception as eave been outside of the perimeter that theres no federal or real official State Response and most of the work on the front line is being done by people like you, grassroots, improvised First Responders. Is that fair . Thats really happening . I dont think thats fair. I dont think thats fair because this is a crime scene. This right here is a crime scene. And so what people dont understand is the government has to do Due Diligence before they start moving in. So theyre at 30,000 feet. Theyre looking, evaluating about how they need to come in to begin to facilitate this operation. At the same time, they have to figure out how to take care of this operation. And so, you know, that is not easy. Reporter so its a humanitarian response in the middle of a working crime scene. Exactly. The truth of the matter is, when you look at the overall devastation, we are not going to be ready to allow people to see what were living through in six months. Were hearing from a lot of people outside of the sort of Quarantine Zone right now, fire zone. Theyre frustrated because they cant get back in to see what happened to their homes or belongings. Theyre afraid that people up here arent getting the help they need. That theres too much red tape in the shelters in the center of maui there. But those folks here say right now its a matter of managing the outpouring of aid. They dont want a lot of this to turn into trash. Theyre trying to manage it as its coming in. Fema is starting to bring in shipments, we understand. So right now the message from here is they have enough plenty of tangible supplies. They have love to get a dust shield to protect this community from all that toxic dust thats blowing up the hillside from down below, containers to store a lot of this stuff and keep it to when they need it maybe months from now, and they are really begging for sustainable compassion. Its very well said. Sustainable compassion. This is going to go on for a long time, the recovery of that area. For more information on how you can help wildfire victims, go to cnn. Com impact or text hawaii to 707070 so you can donate. Just ahead, six Mississippi Police officers who subjected two black men to hours of grueling violence are back in court today after pleading guilty to federal charges related to the torture of those two men. Now those officers facing new charges in court today. And ukraine says russian shelling killed an entire family including a days old newborn baby. President Volodymyr Zelenskyy vows to retaliate. Were live with more from ukraine ahead. Be sure to get my good side get two pairs of Celebrityty Frames for 89. 95 for a limited time at americas b best. Book an exam today. Woman why did we choose safelite . We were loading our suv when. Crack safelite came right to us, and we cou see exactly when theyd arrive with a replacent we could trust. Thats service the way we want it. Singers safelite repair, safelite replace. Your record label is taking off. But so is your sound engineer. You need to hire. I need indeed. Indeed you do. 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Can you talk us through this next round of charges that these men are facing and also you spoke with the victims. Kate, this has been heartwrenching for the victims. They have been trying to get anyone to listen to them about what they experienced on that night. Two hours after torture, when you think about having oil spilled on your body, eggs thrown at you while you were called the nword over and over, they were trying to get someone to pay attention. The first case was a federal trial. As you know, cant get cameras in there. This is a state court case. I can see on another monitor, this is pretty much wrapped up. You can see the video there of the men walking into court. They call themselves the goon squad and it was their job to go out and dispense justice the way they wanted to. They tried to sexually assault these men and they used their tasers over and over again to see who had the most powerful taser. Listen to the men involved in the case and the horror they had to go through. And they started beating me here and tasing me. As you can see, blood spots. Blood spots there. Reporter that was eddie marker and michael jenkins. One of these officers took out a gun and they believe they had cleared the gun, they put it in his mouth and pulled the trigger. He cleared the gun to put it back into his mouth and pulled the trigger. It shot through his tongue and exited his neck. Hell be dealing with for the rest of his life. Now the charges are moving forward. Everyone involved in this case said theyve never seen Something Like this in Law Enforcement. You ask the question what happened to the sheriff, he said, he had no idea this goon squad was operating inside of his department. There will be a News Conference later on. More information to come. Disturbing enough already what is known. This morning, ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy is vowing to retaliate after russian shelling killed at least two dozen people, including a 23dayold baby named sofia along with her 12yearold brother and their parents. This is just part of what the ukrainian people deal with almost every day. Nick paton walsh joins us now from southern ukraine. Nick, horrifying stories. Reporter yeah, look, its important when we talk about these things almost every day, john, to not lose sight of the tiny details that are just so mindnumbingly horrifying. Yes, youre right, many instance of shelling against civilian targets over the weekend and just last night a large supermarket on fire in odesa, when it appears some of the rockets and drones fired by russia got through. Three wounded in that. But sticking i think in the mind of many ukrainians today is what happened in kherson. A village close to the black sea coast where seven people died from russian shelling. Quiet, rural area. Amongst those dead was a family of four. The youngest, sofia, 23 days old. Just about three weeks old there. Her 12yearold brother also killed and their mother and father as well. This comes these extraordinarily young victims, this comes after fridays double Missile Attack in the zi of zaporizhzhia. Two missiles slammed into a childrens playground outside a hotel where families were staying. The children had left an hour earlier but still, children now, it seems, so constantly, on the Receiving End of these indiscriminate, barbaric Russian Missile attacks. Back to you, john. 23 days old. Hardly a combatant. Thank you so much for being with us. Former President Trump steals the spotlight and the crowds in iowa. No surprise there. So how do his republican rivals compete . Well discuss ahead. She runs and plays like a puppy again. His 2s are perfect hes a brand new dog, all in less than a year. 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Florida Governor Ron Desantis is set to debate other president ial hopefuls at the first republican president ial debate next week. But hes also considering taking part in a debate against californias democratic governor gavin newsom. Isaac, unless im mistaken, ron desantis is not yet the republican nominee. Unless im very mistaken, gavin newsom isnt running for president , at least not yet. Whats going on here . Well, john, your facts check out there. This started as essentially a dare from gavin newsom, the california governor to ron desantis. Hes been banging on ron desantis having the wrong idea and trying to figure out his place. Hes not running for president. Probably will not have a chance to run for president until 2028, maybe beyond that. But he has been pushing this idea and a couple days ago, ron desantis bit on it. Desantis in a situation of his own where his Campaign Even people close to him admit has not been going as well as they wanted and is having Trouble Finding what one of his aides told us was enough oxygen without talking about trump all the time. And so they both have this interest in trying to find a way to go up against each other and it creates this really weird thing where a guy who is not running for president is running against a guy who is not the nominee and, meanwhile, the Biden Campaign has been looking at this and been pleased to see K Newsom Landing some of the punches on desantis and generating a lot of money for them too. Its a weird situation that happens in politics where it might be that everybody kind of wins here. But it creates a strange situation along the way. What they ought to do is desantis and newsom do a Tag Team Wrestling match against elon musk and mark zuckerberg. I think there would be a number of people who might tune in for that. Thank you very much for bringing us up so speed here. Thanks. Former president Donald Trumps appearance at the Iowa State Fair over the weekend approved his grip on Republican Voters is still strong. He was welcomed by big crowds of cheering supporters and skipped all of the traditional meet and greet fair events. His rivals all were taking part in. Im joined by pbs White House Correspondent lauren barren lopez. Thank you so much for being here and Washington Bureau chief for the chicago suntimes lin sweet. Im going to start with you, lynn. Donald trump brought florida politicians with him who endorsed him as another jab at ron desantis. He wasnt there that long. Didnt do the traditional things. Does this go over well with iowa voters . For the moment, yes. Because his base is intensely loyal to him. What his rivals have not figured out how to do is to break this trump fever. Sarah, no republican who is running against trump has any cure for this. Theyre doing their Retail Campaigning and as you said, trump drops in, a Big Wholesale Act and he has a grip as strong as ever, no Matter Impeachments or indictments. All right. Im curious what you think about the other candidates. Nikki haley, she spent a lot of time probably more than any other candidate in iowa and New Hampshire squeezing the flesh, doing retail politics. But neither she nor the others seem to be able to make headway. Chris christie, of course, goes after trump. Many of the others dont. What is the problem here . Why arent they gaining in any way, shape or form . Well, are you tossing it to me . Yes. If you are, okay, so it is because theyre doing mom and pop Grocery Store campaigning and theyre running against walmart here. They just havent figured out how to expand scaleup, sarah. There is no theres reluctance to take on trump, per se. Nikk nikki haley what has could be an interesting analysis that he is just a distraction. That he is not what we need and its time to move on without getting into the questions of indictments or impeachments. That is thats dancing on the head of a pin for now, but its a path. Thats an interesting way to put it. Lauren barren, can you tell me a little bit about what you think about this, this is all of the candidates that were there in iowa talking about donald trump and the fact that he wont sign the rnc pledge to endorse whichever candidate ends up winning the primary. Listen. People ask me sometimes what i think about maybe debating donald trump, i tell people, ive debated donald trump 1,000 times. Just never with the cameras on. First of all, i think President Trump, its his decision whether he wants to get on the debate stage or not. You have to earn the support of the american people. Its hard to earn their support if youre absent. You have to earn this nomination and you have to show up. You have to debate. Are they right or are they wrong . Well, i think its a little bit of Wishful Thinking from those candidates considering what lynn laid out, which is the fact that, yes, maybe 10, 15 years ago would voters have been upset about a leading contender not joining the debates. But the Republican Base has been reshaped. And trump controls that Republican Base and they support him wholeheartedly despite these indictments, a big section of them, and so whether he shows up to the debate or not i dont think is going to impact his grip on the party or his standing in the polls. He could hold a different event. Hes demonstrated that he doesnt have to campaign the way the rest of the field is campaigning, that he can drop in, hold one event, draw thousands, compared to maybe 50 that go to a desantis event or less than that that might go to a nikki haley event. So its not something that trump himself necessarily has to do and regardless of the pledge, the fox executives have said that they want him to show up to the debate and that they would like him to be there. And so far, hes resisted. Weve heard that on the air, them asking over and over and over again saying he should debate. Do you think theres a possibility we will not see a debate between donald trump and any of the candidates as we go forward . Potentially. If he decided to not show up to this first one, then and it goes well for him, then i think that we could expect that he may very well decide what is the point of going to future debates if hes able to maintain this doubledigit lead in the gop primary polls. Lynn, you agree . I think i see you shaking your head. I do. I remember when i was in des moines in 2016 there was a debate he decided to skip it. He held his own event that same night, split screen, loses nothing, gains something. There is nothing for him to gain at this point in being in any debate because he will be asked questions, maybe he doesnt want to answer. It just is i cannot think of a reason other than good government, good civics, good participation and the timehonored tradition for people to debate in primaries in general. But all that is not what hes about. He has been asymmetrical in his candidacies and he remains debates are for others, not for him. Thank you so much. Kate . Coming up for us, nasas Webb Telescope has spotted a Cosmic Question mark. What is it . Well be right back. Plus ultrapremium viking appliances and up to o 7,500 cash. Enter today for your chchance to win. Visit pods dot com. I i need it cool at night. You trying to ice me out of the bed . Baby, only on game nights. You know you are retired right . Am i . Ya sa 50 on the sleep Number Limited Edition smart bed. Plus, 36 month financing on select smart beds. Shop now only at sleep number. 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Eligible Xfinity Rewards Members can get up to 100 off Nfl Sunday Ticket from youtube. Sign up for Xfinity Rewards now. Why are we here . Are we alone . And now we may need to consider this, is space just toying with us . Nasas Web Telescope has spotted a literal Cosmic Question mark deep in the galaxy. Cnns tom foreman has uncovered the source of this mystery. Thomas, tell me. I like the way you said are we alone . I really like that. Look there you see the little box made big off to the side. See that Question Mark in the middle thats what the Web Telescope found and they dont know what it is. They dont think its a star, all the stars we can see with our eyes are in our own milky way galaxy. It could be billions of miles away, there it is a Question Mark floating out in space, kate. I have to show you because john berman needs glasses. He cant see the Question Mark. Its this . There. This is what were talking about right there . The Question Mark in space. John, do you need to from down there, you need to do the entire presentation. Thats where just in case you were wondering, its on the lower part of your outer space right here. Yes. How did they find this . Youre asking what is it . Yeah. If we dont know what it is what is it . What they think it might be is two galaxies very far away tangling with each other, maybe merging into one galaxy and in doing so they just happened to form this shape. Could scientists figure this out . Yes, they could if they wanted to, but its just kind of an ano anomaly. You know that thing out in arizona thats literally called the thing, its a roadside attraction, i think this is kind of fitting in that category of the thing if that its interesting, its fun to look at, but the people from georgia tech and m. I. T. And cal tech are not rushing out there to say lets investigate. Its just a curiosity, but its kind of a great curiosity. 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