Today on Inside Politics, what comes after three . Indictment number four, maybe. Today Fulton County prosecutors start presenting evidence as soon as tomorrow. They hope to secure a sweeping indictment against former President Donald Trump and those who aided and abetted the Conspiracy Theory to steal the 2020 election. Plus, this is what you will get, a biden president ial run dogged by hunter biden legal problems. Democrats fret as lawyers for the president s son insists an Election Year trial is not inevitable. And republicans get a close up with iowa voters. Who impress snd who disappointed . Did ron desantis do both . Iowas Republican Party chairman joins me live in just a few minutes. Im jessica dean in for dana bash. Lets go behind the headlines at Inside Politics. Up first today, the clock ticks toward another potential Trump Indictment and today action in georgia. That bus and the caravan of police surrounding it whisking grand jurors to work. The heightened security comes with the Serious Business in Fulton County. Right now prosecutors are giving that jury the sizzle reel of their case against the former president president of the united states. As that is all happening closed doors donald trump unleashing unline about the Public Servants prosecuting his lies. Paula reid is live outside the Fulton County courthouse. Paula, walk us through exactly how long this presentation of this case is expected to take. Reporter well, the District Attorney fani willis is expected to need two days to present her case to a grand jury in this courthouse behind me. Shes been investigating this for over two years now and the evidence she has gathered includes evidence to support allegations that State Officials here were facing enormous pressure. That there were alleged efforts to install fake electors to subvert the Electoral College process, she will also detail allegations about trying to use the Justice Department up to d. C. To overturn the Election Results here as well as these meritless lawsuits that were filed by the trump campaign. Now, we also have new reporting from our colleague sara murray and zach cohen detailing how fani willis also has evidence that former president President Trump and his allies were trying to breach a Voting System in Rural Georgia as part of these alleged efforts. Now, at least one witness is already inside court today and we expect two more will be appearing tomorrow including former lieutenant Republican Former republican Lieutenant Governor geoff duncan. The earliest any potential indictment could come is tomorrow. Paula, donald trump weve also noticed is saying a lot on truth social, including Director A Message at a witness. What can you tell us about that . Reporter exactly. That message was directed at the former republican Lieutenant Governor geoff duncan, suggesting that he shouldnt testify as a witness in this case. Now, this is not the first time that former President Trump has attacked this investigation, attacked the da, fani willis. He has called her, for example, a racist and a marxist. His own attorneys in conversations with them, they have told me that they think its lejt ma the to question whether an elected prosecutor in this case a democrat should be able to bring charges against a former president , but the former president not making that argument, instead taking to social media appearing to attack the prosecutor and appearing to put some pressure on at least one witness. Also important to note because this is a state case, if trump is reelected this would be outside his power. He cannot fire the prosecutor and he cannot pardon anyone who is charged in this case. Really separates it from the federal case on that level. Paula reid for us in atlanta, thanks so much. Here to share their insights, evan perez, Andrew Mccabe and elliot williams. Its great to have all of you here on a day when we are digesting about potential movements in georgia. Elliot, where do you think the next couple of days are going and also as we piece this together in the broader theme, the broader story of all of this with it being potentially the fourth indictment how this case lines up against the others. It seems like we will see an indictment in the next couple of days, certainly the grand jury is meeting as we know today and tomorrow and hearing evidence. Now, the way it works in georgia at least for this case there was a Special Grand Jury that made a recommendation to the District Attorney and now shes presented the states attorney now shes presenting this evidence to the real grand jury, the full grand jury to bring charges. It appears not just the former president but a number of other people connected or around him may be brought in here. Whats striking and notable is the possibility of racketeering charges in Effect Arguing that the defendants engaged in a criminal enterprise to commit a few crimes at once and that is quite significant. Right. Its a socalled rico case but it involves a number of defendants not just the former president likely and its very layered. Evan, paula touched on this new reporting from our colleagues on the Text Messages and the emails connecting trumps allies to this data this Voting Systems breach in coffee county. How significant is that . Its very significant that they have this evidence that makes this it at least seems to support the idea that prosecutors have been pursuing that this was an idea that came from the top, it came from the white house. We already knew some of this, we knew that there was a discussion at the white house in that very chaotic meeting where Sidney Powell was trying to become the Special Counsel and had the overstock guy and it was an insane set of circumstances and we knew that during that meeting there was a presentation or there was the idea was broached which was that we can get an invitation from a county to get access to their Voting Machines and the idea being were going to find proof of the fraud. Of course, this is a county that trump won by 70 , its a very republican county, its kind of a really insane and kind of dumb idea. If you are looking for fraud probably not the best place to Go Look For T but thats where they are. I have to hand it to zach cohen who is one of my colleagues and hes been after this idea and has suspected that there was going to be reporting on this and really pursued it all to the end and thats where the story came from. I will say, you know, certainly it does seem to show that it didnt come organically from these people. The question will be, you know, did that invitation, this letter they got from someone inviting them to come examine the machines was that person authorized to do that . It appears not. And its legally significant in that the president can sort of defend against all of this by saying i didnt know what those other people who committed these crimes were doing, i dont have a connection to it. If he can establish that he can get out of a rico charge or a conspiracy charge because he can say, look, or the people were engaged in crimes im just the president of the united states. Having this evidence of some link between the campaign and the folks in the states could actually work against the president. Its interesting you bring that up because we do have a clip of donald trump from saturday. Andrew, i want to get your response to it. Lets play it for everyone saying essentially that. Do you defend the actions of why you are allies following the 2020 election in georgia . Many of the allies i dont know because to be honest we have so many allies a lot of them i dont know. I dont exactly know what youre talk being. There was kind of laughter around the table as he said that. Weve heard him say that so many times somebody who has been his ally gets in trouble and hes like i dont know that person. This is the position taken by every alleged leader of a criminal expertise, right . The danger for the person at the top of the pyramid is to be connected with the work thats going on on the ground and they typically do that by not sending not making notes, not sending emails or texts, all things that we know that donald trump behaviors we know that he has engaged in as well. That danger becomes more prescient as you develop reporting like we have about Text Messages that land lead directly to his closest advisers, rudy giuliani, Sidney Powell. It is almost unthinkable to think that those folks, attorneys who were brought into this kind of plotting and planning on his behalf were carrying out these activities without any visibility or interaction to the phi at the top of The Food Chain here, which is of course trump. The dam breaks when one of those people decides to cooperate. One one of those people is facing such significant charges and potential jail time that they say, yes, i had a conversation in which he told me to do x, y and z. Youre seeing that with certainly Rudy Giulianis attorney saying, hey, you know, this crazy idea didnt come from rudy, it came from some other people in that meeting. So thats where you might be able to get for prosecutors if you can get them to not be essentially on the same story that really is helpful for building your case. There is so much to come on this. Thank you all. 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Ron desantis rode the ferris wheel and crashed bumper cars. We saw trump addressing supporters in a suit and can you have links as he is facing a potential fourth indictment. Jeff zeleny asked iowa voters about that very topic. Are you concerned about any of these indictments . No, because i actually asked ron desantis what he thought of whats going on with President Trump and he said its all politics, plick clee motivated. So right there he stood up for trump and whats going on. And here so share their insights on this jeff zeleny and ann cornwell. I want to talk about the fair and desantis and trump. We had a column over the weekend from the Washington Post that talked about Desantis Plowing forward after early missteps. He wrote on a day when desantis competed for attention with former president President Donald Trump at the Iowa State Fair there were reminders of why the former governor remains trumps principal reval. There is that National Narrative that trump came in, sucked all the oxygen out, he was the guy, he overshadowed desantis. As the front runner by double digits of course he got a lot of attention, but you were on the ground. Desantis was there for hours with his whole family. Whats your sense about all of this . There is no doubt that donald trump as he has at every Iowa State Fair since 2015 when he came in offering free helicopter rides, of course he dominates the headlines, dominates the media coverage. Thats a little different necessarily than actually touching voters and building a caucus campaign. I think the most important thing that probably happened over the weekend for the Florida Governor was in addition to the fair, what he did on thursday and friday. On friday he made eight stops alone in small venues, talking to people in eight counties. You spent a lot of time with him on the road, you cover his campaign, he will trying to hit all 99 counties in iowa. I was watching the former president as he came in with his florida delegation, there were nine members of congress from florida, most iowans had no clue who they were. He was trolling the Florida Governor. Yes, donald trump is the front runner, he came in with this big crowd and energy but nowhere could get anywhere close to him and desantis touched a lot of people. That usually matters but of course he has to get, you know, closer to trump in the head to head for it to matter. I feel like even the attempts, just the amount of times we see trump also troll desantis bringing members of the florida delegation, attempts by trump allies as well, the plane going by saying be likeable, ron while desantis is trying to talk to voters. It also shows how much desantis is on the mind of trump and his allies. It is clear that he is the primary rival. Yes, obviously we should talk about what polls should say, the substantial lead that trump has, the grip that he has on the party but its also fair to say that desantis is seen by his allies. He is on the mind of trump. Hes living rent free in trumps head as it were right now. We on cable news talked about this Trump Indictment all weekend, this possible indictment and yet in iowa, you know, it didnt seem like that was on the mind of voters. There is a trump fatigue but an incredible amount of people that very much support him. At this point does it seem like theres anything that can move the needle for other candidates . For his hard core supporters, no, absolutely not. This actually further en deers them to donald trump, but, jeff, that sound might you got from that voter was so telling and i think so that that encapsulates the entire dynamic of this president ial campaign. Donald trumps biggest weaknesses are probably his lying about the 2020 election and these indictments, but you have most president ial candidates, ron desantis included, who are usually unwilling to attack him on it. His voters, Donald Trumps supporters see that so why is there any sort of alternative . And i thought that that quote was just it was interesting and i asked him afterwards i said if he also went on to say i asked him if he was openminded to anyone else and he said he likes desantis, he saw him last week on a bus tour, he mansiages a feed store. He is open to and many voters are open to seeing how this goes. The caucuses arent until five months from tomorrow. Iowa voters, New Hampshire and South Carolina they ma