Everyone. Before 9 11 and, of course, before becoming trumps wing man, a man by the name of Rudy Giuliani made his name from putting mobsters behind bars. He did so, i might add, using the very same laws that are being used against him now. Two decades ago we he actually wrote in his book on leadership, and im quoting, here i dreamed up the tactic of using the federal racketeer influence and corruptions act to prosecute the mafia leadership. Unquote. Otherwise known as rico, for those following along. At the time, the law actually was relatively new. The giuliani, he popularized it making it the model for state and federal prosecutors for decades to come when it comes to large groups attempting a type of conspiracy, including, i might add, fani willis. The Fulton County d. A. Is now charging Rudy Giuliani with several crimes for his efforts to allegedly overturn the election, including racketeering. Now, the rico laws, something that he has, well, he has championed for years. The upper level people are not used to being convicted and theyre certainly not used to be convicted under racketeering, charging them with violations of the federal racketeering influencing, and corrupt organization strapped shoot, the wreck of statute. This is a new way of Doing Business and a more effective way to crush them. If you look at her other racketeering indictments you will see that those are the same things that we do in all of these cases. I think the two of them together would make an excellent wrinkle case, Racketeering Case like the cases that i used to bring, not only against the mafia, but against boesky. The Clinton Foundation is a fraud, the Clinton Foundation to me is a Racketeering Enterprise and the State Department was a pay for play organization. And i push on top of it a Racketeering Enterprise, the Clinton Foundation. Clinton incorporated, Racketeering Enterprise. It should have an italian name, if they had an italian name they wouldve been prosecuted already. If i were back in my old job of u. S. Attorney would probably indict the Clinton Foundation as a Racketeering Enterprise. I know you are thinking, okay, laura those are references from years ago. I mean, there is no way that Rudy Giuliani is still touting rico considering of course what he is going through right now. Right . Not if they do it i recommended four years ago, they could easily do for them, which is bring a Racketeering Case. The statute of limitations has not run on a Racketeering Case, i can get them all in. And hunter biden is the classical definition of a Racketeering Case. That did say august 1st on the upper right part, you saw that, right . Tonight cnn is reporting that giuliani is now struggling to keep up with his legal bills, staring Down Hundreds Of Thousands of dollars and many losses related to his work for trump even after the election. And today he is defending himself by referencing the very work we just talked about, the work against gangsters. Im the same Rudy Giuliani that went after the mafia, i havent changed one bit. The country has become fascist and communist, but i havent. Rudy giuliani, the same quest for justice. If donald trump committed a crime, i would put him in jail. Well, lets get to the news tonight. Former Chief Of Staff mark meadows, who is also charged, is now trying to move his case to Federal Court. I want to bring in jamal joffre, a former associate wife of council to george w. Bush and founder and Executive Director of the National Security institute at george mason university. Joe meal, even i have been talking about, frankly, a lot of these matters for quite some time. This was expected to have this now fourth indictment, it is coming out of georgia. One of the big issues, of, course is that the attorney, fani willis, the prosecutor, said 19 people no problem. I can do it all in one trial and im going to have the trial date set within six months. A lot of people ears perked up and said, wow, what is the moon like on your planet . Yeah, this is going to be a tough case for her to pursue with all these defendants. Theyre going to try to sever under georgia law, some are going to move this to Federal Court, there is going to be a series of arguments about the very acts that she charged. 161 acts in the recount alone, some of them fairly early in the process of the day after the election. The president making speeches publicly, tweeting stuff out on twitter, you know a lot of these things are going to be debated about whether this is free speech, the president can debate whether or not there was fraud in the election and the this is a hard case to bring. There are a lot of really legit facts that she cites in her indictment, the things involving the call of raffensperger that we all heard now. 11,780 votes. Find those votes. Some on twitter are saying find real votes, not fake votes. Thats kind of ridiculous, discover, create, do whatever you need to do to help me win this election. We all know, nobody can listen to what the president said, the former president said without knowing what he was talking about. Nobody is confused about what he was asking raffensperger to do there. It kind of have reminisces of it has that same lawyers hands are all over. Thus speaking of mark meadows in particular, this is an issue people are really leaning into. Hes kind of moved to Federal Court, which would essentially mean that, in georgia, it would move to the Northern District of georgia, maybe more conservative than, say, the Fulton County demographics that we know. The whole purpose of that being that he said, look, if youre charging me based on things that i did while i was the Chief Of Staff, that is under the color of law. My title, and so i get to remove these things. What does that bode well for you, what do you think . This is an interesting argument, i dont know how it goes for them. The statute does say in his official or individual capacity, but it has to be relating to his office and the responsibilities of his office. This is about a political debate that would whethers boss would stay in office, not clear that this is under the color of that authority. It is a debatable proposition, at the same time, right, some of these things were taking place and congress. It is hard to know whether that is going to be a credible case that he can bring. Another outside charge, or claim that he might bring, the president might bring is, look, i have civil rights. I cant get a fair trial on my rights under law in state court in georgia. I need to remove to the Federal Court as well. Well see if donald trump makes those arguments as well. A hard argument break, but one that he might put out there as well. Hes got time an opportunity to actually get it done. Im sure hell try a host of defenses. I want to turn out what he has been saying, what they have been typing on truth social and beyond. There are statements that he is making right now, as well, one is that he is promising that he is going to hold a Press Conference. Imagine that. And he says hes going to provide irrefutable proof of Election Fraud in georgia. Are you a little stunned, a, that he is going to have this Press Conference. Probably not, but the idea of that irrefutable proof, the Election Fraud in georgia, why are we just now hearing about this proof . One, and two, are you surprised hes sticking with this particular path given the indictment . Look, he has said that there was fraud in georgia for three years, we have not seen any facts to support that. We have seen repeatedly republican officials, not just in georgia, but other states saying that i voted for donald trump, i would prefer if you are the president of the united states, but there is no fraud in her state. We saw that in georgia, washington, weve seen it everywhere. Also, look at this, we are talking about the george 2020 election. Youve got people like brian kemp, the governor, among others which is interesting to georgia because we are not talking about the Talking Point of democrats who are trying to undermine donald trump. Raffensperger, jeff duncan, obviously brian kemp, all republicans and conservatives warns at that. Look at this, he is coming out to suggest that this was not a stolen election by any stretch of the imagination. Look at these numbers, youve got three separate Ballot Counts that are actually confirmed that biden won by there is the magic number 11,780. The size of the lead here is significant in these key areas. What does it tell you about the fact that youve got these data points and yet this statement . The president is gonna continue to assert that he won the election, he should be an office today, and georgia is a part of that. He has made that point consistently, he has not deviated from it. Now, because charges has been brought, would where hes been or where hes going down the road. Hes going to argue, through the 2024 elections, that he should have been in office for the last four years. Lets talk about this document, because if you remember yesterday, first of all we have all been anticipating this particular indictment, but then all of a sudden something was posted on the docket and everybody wonders if heads would roll. And then theres the question of fani willis, wait a second, something was posted all of a sudden and then it was taken down, and kind of a yoyo, take it and give it back. And then she had to answer questions. She said, im not going to speculate. We are now learning information about this very thing that apparently they did some sort of a test run to figure out how youre going to post this, you are shaking your head because many people were as well going, why dont you just post the test document . It has legs though, and people are trying to suggest that this was a foregone conclusion, that it was always in the cards, it was not a fair process, what do you say . Look, everybody knew these charges were coming. Weve been talking about this for months, we knew the cases being presented to the grand jury. Fani willis herself said that, so there is no question that this was coming. Should they have done a better job, should they have focused this the right way, tested it in a better manner . Of course. At the end of the day, the reality is the grand jury for this indictment, they are behind it, thats the facts on the ground, regardless of whether they tried to post it or not a day earlier. There is no conspiracy here about the grand jury, the grand jury brought the charges, they voted for and that is the process in the state of georgia. It was earlier that day, it was not even a time before hand. Of course the fact that if youre looking for it and youre looking for Conspiracy Theory you might find one. Well see what happens, thank you jamil jaffer, its so nice to see you. Up next everyone, donald trump is intensifying his attacks on, well, you guessed it. Fani willis. Daniel dale will be here to fact check some of the claims that he is now raising. Plus, now that trump and his allies have a mere ten days to surrender, surrendered meaning go to the courthouse and tell them that here, here what to expect when they are actually arrested. And, one conservative says that the indictment makes it likelier that trump will actually attend next weeks debate. That is coming wednesday in milwaukee, well talk about it next. Chevy sisilverado has what it takes to do it all. 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Well, it is only a tuesday night but there are already wild accusations from sex to murder. Donald trump is intensifying his attacks on Fulton County d. A. Fani willis. Joining me now for a fact check is cnn Senior Reporter daniel dale. Im so glad youre here right now, im hearing a lot about this woman and her as a prosecutor. A lot of it tight coming from donald trump, but im curious as to what is true and fact and fiction. I think of a sense of what is what, but one thing that trump is saying is that willis should stop spending so much time focusing on, i guess, him and, this is a quote, to instead focus on the Record Number of murders in atlanta. So, tell, me how do this just 66 in atlanta actually matchup to the claim . This is one of the many cases where trump could make a point if he stuck to the actual facts, but instead exaggerates himself into falseness. The could accurately said atlanta, like much of the country has seen a murder spike between the pandemic between 2020 and 2022. Atlantas 2022 murder number, it was 170 homicides, was the highest since 1996. But it is not record, in fact, according to his decision sticks, that a consultant provided to me, it is only the 23rd highest homicide number for atlanta, it is like 30 face if you do per capita numbers. Not even close to a record, its about 100 lower than the record set in 1973. And ill make another point, the Trump Campaign released an attack at attacking willis and prosecutors were prosecuting trump and it included a quote in big text. It said so far this year, atlanta has nearly 60 more murders. You see that and think, that is terrible. But if you look at the small, faded print it shows that this year is actually 2021. That is when there was a giant spike. If you look at the number so far, this actually, year 2023 it is about 25 decline year over year compared to 2022. It is always a bit odd to talk about the prosecutor and the stats on the actual crimes that are committed, although the goal is to prosecute editor, but it is for police chief or other policies involved. And that same post, but wait, there is more, as they say. You went on, the thumbs were busy, former president also accused willis of, and this one is very salacious. It is bananas. It is quote, having an affair with a gang member of a group that she is prosecuting, unquote. Is there anything to that . There is not, and its bonkers. I will walk people through it because it is confusing. There is a rapper that people may or may not know called hes part of a hiphop collective whose other members willis is prosecuting, alleging that that collective is a criminal street gang. Now mondo gave an interview to Rolling Stone magazine in december saying like, fun fact, in 2019 when fani willis was a Defense Lawyer she actually represented me. We had a cool relationship, we had like auntie did nephew, mothers on type of talks, shes a great lawyer. No hint of an affair. Some how the Trump Campaign twisted that into fani bulls is fighting relationship with a gang member that she was prosecuting, even though she didnt hide, it she confirmed to Rolling Stone, yeah representative when i used to be a Defense Lawyer, and then somehow trump went further than that and took the Hiding A Relationship saying and turned it into hiding some sort of affair. Like a sexual, intimate relationship. There is no hint anywhere in that Rolling Stone article of an affair, no hint anywhere that he has provided. Zero evidence because it appears there is no evidence at all. Its a Talking Point in the. Less finally there is also trump attacking her for refusing to investigate the supposed theft of the 2020 election. Walk me through that one. You walk through it a moment ago. You might as well say shes refusing to investigate leprechauns or chemtrails or something. There is no theft to investigate, this was a free and fair election, he lost georgia fair and square the outcome was certified by republican secretary of state brad raffensperger, by republican Governor Brian Kemp who again affirmed today on twitter the legitimacy of that election. And look, he lost. He claims he is coming forward with massive conclusive proof on monday, years had to have ears to show such proof and has not come even close. Imagine that. Daniel dale, im so glad youre here to fact check all of this. Unbelievable that we are actually in this moment, thank you so much everyone. For more on this i want to bring in former District Attorney gwendolyn keys fleming. Im so glad that you are here tonight, thank you for