Surrender negotiation. Sources tell cnn that trumps lawyers are in talks now about all the details as we wait for the former president and his codefendants to turn themselves in in georgia. We are following all those details. And new images of the devastation in hawaii coming in. This is the death toll still rising. People await word of those still missing. The head of fema will join us to explain what is being done now to help survivors. And selling the economy. But are americans buying . President biden set to speak moments from now to tout his economic wins. Were following these major developing stories and many more all coming in right here to cnn news central. 19 defendants, nine days left. Former President Trump and his indicted coconspirators in the Georgia Election subversion case have until next friday to turn themselves in on charges that include racketeering and conspiracy. And we have just learned that trumps lawyers are now negotiating with the Fulton County d. A. On details for his surrender. A grand jury handed up the Sprawling Indictment On Monday Night at the Fulton County courthouse. That is not where the defendants will surrender, though. The sheriff says they will all be booked down the road at the Fulton County jail. This includes trump himself. One of those codefendants is trumps postelection lawyer rudy giuliani. He says hell surrender next week. Another is trumps former Chief Of Staff mark meadows. He is trying to get the case moved to a Federal Court. Cnns Alayna Treene is here. Alayna, tell us about the talks under way. Does it give us an indication at all of when trump himself will turn himself in . Well, thats what were still trying to learn, jim. But from my conversations with Donald Trumps team ive learned that they are in ongoing talks with the Fulton CountyDistrict Attorneys Office about the details of his surrender. And again, those talks are ongoing. But my early reporting and the indications i am getting from Donald Trumps team is that it seems like it would likely be next week. But again, this is all fluid. And so things could change. And as you mentioned, donald trump in addition to the 18 other codefendants listed in that indictment, they have until next Friday August 25th At Noon to voluntarily surrender themselves before the court. And donald trump is expected to do so. I think one thing as well thats worth noting is next week, next wednesday are the republican debates, Donald Trumps 2024 rivals, a lot of those candidates taking to the debate stage. My conversations with trumps team now is that it seems like donald trump is not going to appear. But this could all be coinciding around the same time. So a lot to look forward to next week. Not going to appear at the debates. Hes got to show up in Fulton County, though. This is in a remarkable string of months the fourth time that trump has had to surrender following an indictment. What is unique or different about this one here in Fulton County . It is different in Fulton County. I think the process for donald trump being arraigned will look different in georgia than weve seen with the previous three criminal cases. Part of that is the Fulton County sheriff has said he wants the defendants to be treated like any other defendant in Fulton County. And that means that they will likely be processed, have their mugshot taken and be fingerprinted. These are all things that need to be negotiated with Donald Trumps team as well as secret service. Theres also questions of what will the negotiations around bond look like, things that we havent really seen so far in the previous cases. So all things to be watching for, jim. Would that mugshot become public or is that also subject to negotiation . Thats something were trying to figure out. But weve known donald trump has fundraised off a fake mugshot before. So it might be something his team wants. Might run with that. Alayna treene, thanks so much. Boris. Lets dig deeper now with former federal prosecutor and former lead investigator for the january 6th select committee, tim heaphy. Tim, thanks for being with us. One of the strengths of trying a rico case is that it puts pressure on lowerlevel codefendants to potentially flip, right . To collaborate with prosecutors and provide evidence. Is that what you would be aiming for if you were prosecuting this case . Yeah. In a rico case all defendants are responsible for the acts of others as long as its reasonably foreseeable to them. So people dont fully appreciate that they could be held legally responsible, charged with and sentenced for things that are done in furtherance of a goal that they shared but things they did not personally do. So it certainly creates a great deal of leverage on President Trumps codefendants, who are less culpable within the Racketeering Enterprise as charged, to cooperate, make a Business Exchange with the prosecutor to provide information in exchange for leniency. Now, youve dealt with some of these names as part of your time on the january 6th committee, and that investigation. How might you approach them about cooperating . Are there any individuals you think might be amenable to that . Impossible to say. You know, some of them were cooperative with the select committee to a point. You know, we did extensive interviews of rudy giuliani, for example. He asserted privileges but did provide some information. So i wont speculate as to who may or may not be amenable to it. In terms of approach its very simple. Right . You sort of show cards as a prosecutor and say here is what we have, which suggests your guilt that will be presented to a jury at trial, and then a defendant has an opportunity to evaluate that and potentially cut his or her losses by trying to work out some kind of cooperation agreement. I dont know whether thats already ongoing or whether that will hereafter. But it certainly will be Standard Practice for those kinds of discussions to take place. Right. How about mark meadows effort to move this case up to Federal Court . He thinks he can get it dismissed in a higher court because he was acting as trumps Chief Of Staff when all of this took place. Thats his argument. How would that process work, and is it likely to happen . Yeah, its a pretty obscure federal statute that provides for removal to Federal Court of a State Criminal Case if its against federal officials and theyre acting in their official capacity. All it would do is move the forum for this trial to Federal Court. It wouldnt dismiss it. He may have other purported bases to move to dismiss the case. But it could simply change the venue. So it looks like this case is headed for a trial, likely in Fulton County. I think unlikely to be moved to Federal Court. The response from fani williss team will be sure, he was white house Chief Of Staff but these were all things he did well beyond his official duties but actually were part of a criminal conspiracy beyond his official duties. And thats what the judge will have to evaluate. Sure. And fani willis is confirming that she wants to try all of these defendants together and shes requesting a trial within six months. Do you think thats a realistic scenario . No. Very difficult to try 19 people just logistically in a courtroom with each of them having at least one lawyer. Physically its hard to do. I would expect that some of them may decide to plead guilty. If not there may be severance of some defendants from others. I indicted a case in Federal Court, a rico case years ago with 17 defendants, and the judge essentially split it in half and tried the most culpable defendants first and then the second group of defendants second. So you may expect some sort of balkanization of the list if not all not a sufficient number of them resolve their cases prior to trial. It could get incredibly complicated with so many defendants. Tim heaphy, weve got to leave the conversation there. Thank you so much. Thank you. We want to zero in now on one of Donald Trumps georgia codefendants. The former mayor of new york, rudy giuliani, says that he will surrender to authorities in Fulton County next week. It comes as were learning new details about the former new york mayors mounting legal bills and how theyre draining him of cash. Cnns Katelyn Polantz has been covering that story for us. So katelyn, giulianis attorneys say hes Facing Hundreds Of Thousands of dollars in just legal fees and paying a lot of money just for electronic records keeping. Its a lot of money that he needs to pay now. He has to have cash to pay now. Because hes Getting Court orders and sanctions that are piling up. And also these fees just to fight litigation that is still ongoing. All of it, most of it actually, relating back to the 2020 election. There is an unpaid phone bill of 57,000 related to his company quite the phone bill. Right. But there are several cases right now that hes facing that are lawsuits related to statements he made after the 2020 election, from smartmatic to dominion voting, those voting machines, as well as those Election Workers in georgia that he spoke about and was spreading false information about. And hes conceding that he has said false information, at least about the Georgia Election workers, because he cant fight the case because he cant pay to fight the case. And there are subpoenas coming at him from these plaintiffs in these lawsuits saying we need you to produce evidence, we need to keep moving on this case, weve gotten the green light from the judge to go forward, and he doesnt have the money to do that. And so hes in Court Staring down the possibility that he could lose these substantial Defamation Lawsuits related to the 2020 election. One judge has already been asked to essentially rule against him, default judgment against him, which could be quite a costly result from him. And right now what hes doing and the pile of bills hes being buried under, its just trying to keep afloat in court. Now, whether judges are buying this is another question. He is clearly trying to say he has Financial Hardship but he doesnt want to give specific details or provide any evidence that shows that. He is listing his apartment, or coop apartment in manhattan, 6. 5 million on the market right now, for sale. But it is a question of how does he keep afloat there and also how does he keep paying legal bills in criminal investigations . At least one judge has expressed doubt about the question of his financial wellbeing. I also wanted to get some reporting from you that you have about the 2020 the effort to overturn the 2020 election investigation by the special counsel, and it appears that jack smith has Donald Trumps twitter dms . He apparently does now. So donald trump famously didnt email, he didnt text, especially when he was in the white house, as president. And yet twitter confirmed in court in a sealed proceeding back in february that yes, donald trump did have direct messages associated with his account realdonaldtrump. Now, whether that was just people messaging him or it was him messaging people or other people who had access to his account messaging, big question. We dont know what they actually got. But there had been this sealed warrant where the prosecutors looking at january 6th and donald trump, they went after Donald Trumps twitter account, wanted all the data there. Twitter did say yes, there are direct messages. They apparently got those. And right now in the indictment we just see public tweets as part of the allegations against donald trump. Well have to wait until trial or as this investigation progresses to see if there was anything really juicy in those dms. We know youll be keeping an eye out. Katelyn polantz, thank you so much. Jim . Joining me now to discuss is ambassador john bolton. He was Donald TrumpsNational Security adviser. Ambassador, thanks for taking the time this afternoon. Glad to be with you. Im going to dispense with the word unprecedented. We broke that word a rlong time ago. But here we are. Four approaching criminal trials in the midst of a president ial campaign and those trials involving the leading gop candidate for the nomination. I wonder, what does your party look like on the other side of this . Regardless of the outcome. Well, i think the outcome is everything. I mean, i know News Channels will beat every detail of this into the ground. But i think the one thing thats going to change peoples minds is a conviction, which i think would be an earthquake in the political environment, or on the other end an acquittal or a hung jury, which trump would spin essentially as an acquittal that could give him the republican nomination and could give him the election in november of 2024. I think the problem for the republican party, lets just take the classified documents case, tentatively scheduled for the end of may. Thats after most of the republican primaries and caucuses. So to make the point to republican primary voters youve got to say think about the potential that if you vote for donald trump by the time we come to our convention in august he could be a convicted felon. So do you really want to vote for donald trump . Even if you dont mind voting for a convicted felon for president , and i think a lot more republicans will be bothered by that than people think, the broader public is certainly going to be bothered from it and it could be catastrophic for the republican party. Let me ask you this. You told my colleague laura coates a few weeks ago that august could be an important point for the republican party. If candidates had not by this time shown an ability to lead trump to beat trump that they should get out of the race, in effect coalesce around away genuine challenger. We havent seen that. We havent seen that yet. Do you see that still as possible . And do you see someone who has emerged as at least a potential challenger . Sure. I think the august 23rd debate is going to be a potentially pivotal moment. And i think, for example, mayor suarez of miami, who has not qualified for the debate stage himself has already said if you dont qualify for that first debate maybe you should get out. And i think a lot of people will be looking to see if anybody catches fire on the debate stage. And if they dont i do think the pressure to winnow the field will be substantial. There are other candidates who could come in. Governor youngkin of virginia, Governor Kemp of georgia. Thats possible too. But the fact is that to clarify the race, to be able to give people a chance who dont want donald trump, who i think are a much higher percentage of the party than are indicated in the national polls, that field needs to be culled. You have spoken publicly, Written Public Ly About Trump a president as it relates to International Affairs and National Security and decisions you described as dangerous and the potential of his return. How does the world see the current environment here in the u. S. Politically with trump still as the far away favorite for the gop nomination . Four criminal trials. His possible return. What are allies and adversaries thinking as they watch this . Well, ive talked to people all over the world, and i think from the Point Of View of our friends theyre pretty disturbed about the prospect trump might come back, the threat he poses to nato and to other alliances. I have to say, theyre also pretty upset about the prospect of joe biden, who isnt on the job 24 7, or Kamala Harris being elected from the democratic side. So i cant really deal much with what the democrats decide to do. But to me its just a further indication that to solve the Trump Problem its got to be solved by republicans and we need to find somebody who can beat trump, which i think is doable. Its just with these trials coming up you have to have a double bank shot as in pool to be able to assess what the risk might be if youre voting before the trials have taken place. Thats why i think the two federal trials are the best ones to bring forward. And if i had my druthers in a Perfect World id try the classified documents case first. Ambassador bolton, well be watching that and well be watching this upcoming debate as well. Thanks so much for taking the time. Thanks for having me. Boris. Some survivors of hawaiis devastating wildfires are now getting a look at the ashes of what was once their homes. The head of fema joins us next to explain what the government is doing to help them. And later President Bidens pitch on bidenomics. Can he convince voters that his plan is working . This is cnn news central. Dont go anywhere. Let innova