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Really that allows us to nail down who this individual coconspirator number 3 was. An attorney for one of the coconspirators also apparently confirmed their identity to cnn . Thats right, jake. Former nypd commissioner bernie kerik, his attorney confirming to us that he is coconspirator number 5 in this indictment. And there are similarly details that also help us identify kerik as the individual listed as number 5. We know that bernie kerik was deeply involved with Rudy Giulianis legal team trying to help find evidence of widespread voter fraud. And we know that bernie kerik was specifically at a white house meeting in November 2020 where trump was president and they were talking to a bunch of State Legislators from pennsylvania trying to pressure them to hold a special session in their bid to overturn the election. His presence at that meeting in addition to the confirmation from his lawyer made clear. We also know that another individual, coconspirator number 6, is also at that meeting in November 2020. Phil waldron, an election denier, a member of giulianis team. We were able to find out through context, clues and his attendance at that meeting that he too is one of the unnamed individuals. Also cnn was able to piece together the identity of two other unnamed individuals using Surveillance Video from the Coffee County Election Center . Reporter jake, as you know, the Coffee County Voting System breach was really a key part of the indictment from Fulton County d. A. Fani willis. We had previously obtained hours and hours of Surveillance Video showing various operatives coming in and out of the elections office. But theres only two individuals who were let into that Election Office on january 18, 2021, and those are doug logan, the cyber ninjas ceo. We know him from the arizona audit. And this man named jeffrey lindbergh. And both of them do appear to be the unnamed individuals in this Charging Document. And we see both of them in the Surveillance Video i just mentioned. That helped us narrow down the specific dates and times that these people entered the office and makes clear it could only be those two individuals. Im also told that based on reporting cnn thinks that individuals 2, individual 9, individuals 12 through 19, all of them are fake electors from georgia . Reporter yeah, jake, obviously three of the fake electors from georgia are facing criminal charges now. But the rest of them were listed as unindicted coconspirators. You remember the District Attorney fani willis told all the fake electors at the outset of her investigation that they were considered targets in the probe. Were now learning shes only charging three but the rest of them do appear to be unindicted, unnamed coconspirators in the indictment. They do make an appearance in the Charging Document itself, just not facing criminal charges. All right. Some good sleuthing there. Zach cohen, thank you so much. I want to bring in Cnns Kaitlan Collins now. Kaitlan, lets talk about this. Is the trump team prepared for the possibility that some of these coconspirators, unnamed, could enter into a Plea Agreement with the prosecutor and become witnesses against them in the case . I think thats even the concern with those who are named, the codefendants that are listed here. Certainly theres a lot to choose from. And when i was talking to people in trumps orbit after this indictment came out the other night when we were on air, that was one of the first things they pointed to, the fact there are these 18 other codefendants that were listed in the actual charges but also these 30 unindicted coconspirators that zach was just referencing there. I mean, some of them still work for him including Boris Epshteyn. Some of them are still highranking officials in the state of georgia including the lieutenant governor, burt jones. Hes an unindicted coconspirator number 8, cnn believes. So just to look at the magnitude of that, people who are not just people who are close to trump like a Boris Epshteyn but also a lot of these officials who were in Coffee County who arent in trumps inner circle at all. I think theres a lot of room for some potential plea deals here. Of course we dont actually know if thats something that some of them are going to pursue. But its certainly an open and fair question in trump world. And they themselves were trying to figure out who these names were that zach was just going through here, trying to identify each of them. You know, not even just in this case. In other cases, jake, theyve also been trying to figure out who the unindicted coconspirators were and if theyre people who are still actively in trumps orbit. Donald trump has said he wanted to hold a Press Conference next week where he would release the proof of the voter fraud in georgia. The conservative republican Governor Brian Kemp pushed back on that. There was no fraud that would have changed the outcome of the election, he said. Whats the status of that Press Conference . I think this is something that everyone was understandably skeptical of the moment that trump said he was going to be having anything described as a major news conference. And really a lot of that had to do with, jake, we were talking to people immediately about it and a lot of people did not know that he was going to post that. People who were advisers to him. They were surprised, they saw for the first time when we saw it, when he posted it. And i have been making some calls on this, jake, and im now told it is unlikely that is to go forward in any real capacity. If anything happens on Monday At Bedminster at all, when he teased that its going to happen there at his golf course, in part that is because we were told that his advisers have warned him and cautioned him against having a Press Conference on baseless claims that hes been making for three years now that dont have anything to back them up but also while he is facing several trials precisely for that. So well see what happens on monday but right now, jake, i am told it is unlikely and there should be real doubt on the idea of any Press Conference happening at all. Of course there was already doubt on whether or not there would be actual evidence three years after the election. Governor kemp said nobody in three years has come forward under oath with any evidence at all. When it comes to one of the coconspirators charged alongside donald trump in georgia, cnn has reported Rudy Giuliani is struggling under mounting legal bills. And you have some reporting about a trip that giuliani made to try to get some Financial Assistance from trump. Tell us about that. Trump has never wanted to pay giulianis legal fees when he was actually representing him or his legal bills now. And what i was told is that a few months ago giuliani and his attorney, bob costello, went down to maralago in late april, met with trump and they were basically making this pitch, jake, that it is in trumps best interests to be paying Rudy Giulianis legal bills. What we have seen come forward in recent days from other attorneys in court is he is cashstrapped, hes basically broke, that they say he cannot afford the legal bills he has right now from that smartmatic lawsuit. Basically, they went to trump trying to get limb to cover all of giulianis Legal Expenses given he was doing stuff at trumps behest. Trump only agreed to pay 340,000 to this data vendor. That might seem like a lot of money. It is a lot of money. But when you look at what giuliani is up against, he has sevenfigure legal fees, jake, right now and he is really struggling. So it speaks to, one, something not surprising, trump does not want to go into his own money to pay for someone elses legal fees. Certainly hes paying a lot of peoples already. And two, it just speaks to the immense Financial Stress that Rudy Giuliani finds himself under and its not even close to being over because hes facing disbarment proceedings. Hes got lawsuits. And now of course hes been indicted in the state of georgia. All right. Kaitlan collins, thank you so much. On that subject, Rudy Giuliani, a cnn original series, is looking into Rudy Giulianis troubles. Its called giuliani what happened to americas mayor . Thats airing this Saturday Night at 8 00 eastern only here on cnn. Cnns Alayna Treene joins us now. Lets first talk about the Republican Debate next week. If trump does not debate, it would seem very trumpy to make plans to draw attention away from the debate that he has said theres no sense in him going to to him. Does he have plans . He does. Or at least hes been Throwing Ideas out there. My reporting from my conversations with Donald Trumps team is that trump himself has been throwing out ideas like doing an interview with Tucker Carlson and calling in to different cable news shows during the debate as part of some sort of counterprogramming strategy. They also say hes very much not likely to attend that debate, of course. But they have the caveat that its donald trump, ive covered him for years, you never know what hes going to do. He could decide in the 11th hour. Of course there are logistical questions about whether thats even possible. But hes not expected to be on the debate stage. He has also been reaching out to his surrogates, people like Byron Donalds and matt gaetz, both congressmen of florida, and kari lake to represent him in the spin room. And im told some of Donald Trumps advisers will also be there that night. Clearly even if hes not there he wants to have some sort of representation. But the other thing im hearing, jake, is that donald trump this week even has been telling people in conversations that he thinks fox news is worried about ratings. He had a dinner last month with fox news executives, president jay wallace and chief executive suzanne scott, and they really encouraged him thoroughly to join the debate. Hes been telling people i talked to someone on monday who just spoke with him about this. Saying that he thinks this means that theyre very worried that theyre going to do poorly without him there. So hes feeling very strongly that he doesnt have to show up. Alayna treene, thanks so much. Appreciate it. 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I literally just spoke to an Urban Search And Rescue official whos a veteran of 15 years. Hes out of the houston area. Hes been on over 90 disasters. And he says hes never seen anything like this because youve got almost 3 1 2 square miles here where they are searching at the granular level. This is not a few houses on the street have slumped over. This is entire city blocks burned to ash. And we met with one of the doghandling teams from the l. A. County fire department. A dog named prentiss, a black labrador. A lot of the 40 dogs here are labs. Prentiss had a burned foot from yesterday. As they have to worry about the heat both from the sun and the actual ground surfaces as well for these dogs. So its sort of a painstaking process. They go in with two dogs. If one hits something or needs a break, the other one will come either to confirm it or relieve them as they cool off. And so its just a method iical thing but they also tell me theyre inspired, these people who have come from over 15 states around the country. L. A. Fire is here. New york. Nypd is here as well. And theyre working alongside Maui Firefighters and cops who have lost everything and are still out here every day doing this meticulous search work. And really we keep coming back to that missing persons number, jake. In previous disasters you normally hear that. Theres so much confusion. But now a lot of the cell towers are back up. A lot of the power has been restored. You can see the Hawaiian Electric crews down here. Theres still a couple thousand homes. You would think by now eightplus days after if someone was lost in the confusion they would have made contact with someone. So we have to come to grips with the idea that this could take a very long time and there could be hundreds of people who are never identified. Yeah. Its staggering. I too was waiting for that number to go down as Communication Efforts improved. And its very upsetting that it has not. Youve also been tracking active fires on other parts of the island of maui. How are local officials ensuring that those fires dont become a second disaster . Well, they got some muchneeded backup. Theres a couple of Chinook Helicopters provided by the Pacific Command here in addition to mauis choppers, and theyre just sort of dropping buckets of water, sea water, pulling water from pools up near the kula fire. They say about 80 contained. How they define that around here is if a fire is still burning but they know they have it contained, thats 100 contained. When they say its extinguished, its out, you can not worry about it anymore. So there are still these little hot spots up in the canyons. Right now the winds are cooperating. The trade winds are a little bit gusty but nothing like the firestorm we saw before. They could really use some rain. And thats the thing you dont realize when you think about the tropical islands in the pacific, theyre so green and lush, on a warmer planet as the clouds hit the mountains they suck all the moisture out of that and then the leeward side, on the other side of the island is just bone desert dry and thats where all this fuel is coming up. So keeping one eye on that and of course so much attention here looking for souls. Cnns bill weir on maui doing incredible reporting. Thank you so much. Appreciate it. And you can help the victims of these horrific wildfires in hawaii. You can head to cnn. Com impact, thats cnn. Com impact for options to donate, vetted options. You can also text the word hawaii to this number. 707070. Hundreds of wildfires are also burning in canada. About 20,000 people are being forced to evacuate from yellowknife. Thats the capital of canadas northwest territories. They need to go by tomorrow afternoon. Cnns chad myers is in the cnn Wea

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