Times. We have a rogue judge who rules that a property is a tiny infraction, and we have a racist Attorney General who is a horror show on the basis that she would get trump before she knew anything about me and she used this to run for governor and failed. She had no following and came back and said, i will go back to get trump again, and this what we have. It is a scam and a sham. Just so you know that my Financial Statements are phenomenal, and they are actually less in terms of the numbers used all right. You are listening to donald trump speaking, and we know for now that this is a Campaign Event for donald trump exactly. And yes, he is going to be looking to what appears in the courtroom may be incidental compared to what he feels he can get out of it for campaign purposes. You heard him going after the judge and the Attorney General in this case, and again, this is no longer a bug of the campaign, but this is the legal operation that he is facing right now. And one thing that we should make clear that he shusing it to some extent to a success in the republican primary, he is losing the civil case already. He has already had a major ruling go against him that will cost him money, and as it stands, it has lost him control of the thing that he has held most dear until this point which is the control of the trump organization, and he could lose significant control of that. Now, he may be using that for political gain, but right now, he has no choice. This is the situation that he face, and he is trying to take advantage of that situation. I suppose that we should ask as he is speaking here, elie, and he has said some inflammatory thing, and if the judge is going to watch tv and the judge will hear it. Yes, and donald trump has put similar sentiments on the true social feed, and it is counter intuitive to attack the person who is going to be rendering the verdict in this case, and it seems to me that his strategy here is to essentially damn the or the pe torpedos, and he is not going to please this judge, and he is not going to lose, because he has lost the most important appeal, and so the lawyers are going to be setting the stage for appeal and find something that was procedurally incorrect or find some bias in the judge that will justify an appeal, but he is leaning into it for sure. And can we talk about the words that he used and he has done it before and every time he goes after the judge or the Attorney General in saying that she is racist. They get threats. Like this, is actually dangerous for them every time he does it. I think that we have to call it out, because we get used to it, because he does it every single time, but there are real consequences to these statements, and in my view, they are over the line. You are allowed as a defendant in the civil or criminal case to criticize the prosecutor or the other party, and the judge, and query whether it is a smart decision, but there is a line, and when you are calling the Attorney General a racist, and get to the point of saying this about this a. G. Or the prosecutor or the judge, and that is dangerous, and the question is whether the prosecutors in either of the cases or the judges in either of these cases do anything about it. We see it starting to happen in one of the federal cases in d. C. And the judge is considering a gag order as we speak, and the statements today are not going to be helping donald trump in arguing against it kristen holmes, back out to you outside of the trump tower, and what you are hearing is from his advisers, and i dont know if you have a monitor out there and you can see it, but the stage craft of this is notable in and of itself which is that donald trump stood there for a period of time, and this is not a Passing Commentary that he was making in to face a judge, but he stood there and waited for the cameras, i would assume to adjust and prepare and make sure that everyones mics were prepared before he began speaking to, for a long period of time, before he made his commentary and speaks to what you said. This is part of his campaign. This is his campaign now. I spoke to a source of what it is going to be looking like when he is in the mid of the trials and how the run a president ial campaign and it was unclear how the plan for it. They said that legal maneuvers would help to delay the trials until after the election, but it became clear that these trials would likely go on while he was running for president. And now, it seems as though they have figured out one way to campaign while he is going on trial and that is to make the trials, themselves, a form of the Campaign Event. As you noted, he knew where the cameras were and what was needed for the cameras to be ready to take his remarks for the networks, and for the news outlets to say that he is going up to the podium, and he is going up to the cameras to speak and then spoke to deliver the remarks. The remarks that he says on the Campaign Trail everyday and we often dont report on them because they oftentimes not accurate or true. So because of thatk, now we know that they are going to be looking at the legal events, the trials as an opportunity to essentially campaign. They paraded him down there, and again, they know every single twist and turn here when it is coming to the visual optics and press. I was in michigan last week when he spoke at the nonunion shop. They set up a stage that had trump on either side and signs that said Union Members for trump, and that not an accident but intentional and optics with a made for Television Event so that the cameras would show that Union Members, and we dont have confirmed that they were Union Members, but that is the show they were putting on for the camera, and one thing that donald trump and his team are very good at. It is interesting to note here, they have been talking to the team for weeks and months about how he is going to be on the trail if he is in trial every single day, and it does appear this is one strategy they will definitely try in terms of campaigning for president 2024. Again, donald trump is speaking there. He is still talking. And kristen, among other things, he called judge arthur engoron, and he cant be more than 30 yards from where the judge is. And also, the Attorney General of new york is 30 feet behind the door where donald trump is speaking right now. And i want to bring in paula reid, because he is talking, and talking and talking in front of the cameras now and making statements if they dont allow the cameras in the courtroom, to a certain extent will go unanswered on camera, paula. Yeah. Watching him address the cameras, and it is a reminder of me and having the cameras in the courtroom and for all of the cases he is facing, he has a massive platform and arguably one of the he has finished talking. And you can see him headed into court, and flanked by the lawyers and they were not thrilled about this, but this is what he is going to do likely throughout the cases, and likely headed into the election, but i think that there is an argument to be made that if he is able to stand in front of cameras and say pretty much whatever he wants about the judge, about the prosecutors about the case, the American People should have the right to see what exactly is happening minutebyminute, secondbysecond, and thankfully, we have Freedom Of The Press to bring details and it is not the same as if you have cameras in there and anyone who is interested and check what he is saying could tune in and say, what is going on with this judge, and what is he like . What is the Attorney General, and what is she like, and what is the office saying . And the fact that he used the cameras, and he did not do this when he came for the criminal case or the District Attorneys case earlier in the year, but to see how he is using the cameras, that is one of the strongest arguments for having not just still cameras, but cameras to cover this live so that the people can see it live and not rely on the former president to see what is going on here. Those are really good arguments and we will hear whether or not the judge is going to allow the cameras in, in hopefully the next few minutes and one of the first things that he is expected to rule on this morning. I want to go to Brynn Gingras, and you are there with a report on the whole setup of how donald trump just stood there waiting for everybody to get setup. Clearly a political move. And choreographed and taking longer than when this court is to start at 10 00 a. M. , and we will see what the judge has to say about that. And Kara Scannell and my other colleagues are there, and clearly not acknowledging Letitia James, and not giving her eye contact or handshake or anything whatsoever. And then sat down with his two attorneys and keeping gaze largely down. So we are waiting to see how he acknowledges this judge, and again, someone he just politically attacked outside calling disparaging the judge just as he has done on the Campaign Trail for so long. So we will see how this all sort of plays out. Again, as he is the reason that actually the court is beginning late, it seems at this point. We also should mention that we do expect him to testify. That is one of the reasons that he is inside of that courtroom. He wanted to defend his reputation as he has beeen saying. It may not be today or tomorrow, but it is possible he will be back here tomorrow and next week, because he is on the witness list. And also, we heard Letitia James outside of the courthouse, and i want to go to the sound of what she had to say about the remarkable case thus far. You y seeing the setup of donald trump, and she was talk about the a. G. And she said, no one is above the law, and it is not about the amount of money you make or how much you think that you make, and it was about aggrandizing how much you think that you have, because that is very much what this suit is about. This is Letitia James. Donald trump and the other defendants have committed persistent and repeated fraud. Last week, we proved that in our motion for Summary Judgment. Today, we will prove our other claims. The message is simple, no matter how powerful you are or how much money you think that you have, no one is above the law, and it is my responsibility and my job to enforce it. The law is both powerful and fragile and today in court, we will prove our case. I thank you all for being here, and again, justice will prevail. Thank you. Short and concise statement from the a. G. , and that is how she has been throughout the trial, and we did hear from trumps side outside of the courthouse which reiterated from him in front of the cameras that this is a witch hunt and he is eager to testify in this trial, and flanking me is at least 15 courtmartials, and heavy Security Presence not only on the steps of the courthouse, but around me as well. Brynn is outside of the court and cameras outside, and we will see if the cameras can be brought inside. We are hearing from the colleagues that the judge has entered court ahead of the Civil Fraud Trial. And now, we are joined by Caroline Polizzi here. The possible range of outcomes, and what do you see happening . We know that tisch james has asked for 250 million in discouragement, and people are referring to this as a penalty, but it is tied to the factual basis of the amount of money that the organization is termed illgotten gains that they will have to discourage to new york. And there are other counts here to be charged as elie said, five or six more counts to be placed into the evidence. The judge will decide that the trial is slated to go until december 22nd. So this is a long road ahead of them, and i am shocked to hear that trump and the team will take the stand. That is a disastrous move. We have heard this bluster from him, and then he will walk it back and to the effect that i wanted to testify, and my attorneys would not let me. There is a big difference of i want to and i am going to. I will believe it when i see it, but we wont get to that until much, much later. Caroline cringed when it was noted that donald trump caused the court to start nine minutes late today. Yes. That is a small but important point here, because this is the confluence of court and political confluence, but however, it comes with consequences. And it is not a good look to be late to court and i have been lateb and judges do not like it, and to be holding a presser in which you are slandering judge. I can guarantee you that the judge is not watching that realtime, and he has Better Things to do with his time, but it is going to be getting back to him. And not a good look, and it is a piece of nobody is above the law, and you to abide by those dates, and you have to be in court on time, and things that donald trump is not really used to being at the beckon call of somebody else above him. And that is what this is. And donald trump is saying, if i cant beat them, i will join them. So he is joining them by taking over and doing what he does for political reasons, because he has lost a huge majority of the case. But i wanted to ask you if there is any defense here. Several things have to be decided. What would the defense look like in this case . First of all, the initial Summary Judgment ruling on the one count of persistent fraud is absolutely going to be appealed, and the arguments are going to be not only substantive ones, and the procedural one that the Summary Judgment should havent been ruled on in this fashion, that there is still questions of fact to be decided by the judge, and again, we know this is not a jury trial, however, there are arguments to the other counts, and things like intent, and the initial ruling that the persistent fraud did not need a finding of intent on the part of donald trump and or his other defendants is that because it was based on the forensic accounting, and just the paperwork did not matchup, and the math did not math . Exactly. The math did not math. And sort of in real estate norms, the numbers here are ridiculous. The valuations can slide, but Square Footage does not lie, right. So you cannot sort of have those types of humongous discrepancies and said that as a matter of fact and law that this is persistent fraud. One of the defenses, and one of the ways that donald trump has denied wrongdoing when it comes to this is saying that what he put on the Financial Statements didnt really matter, because there was a disclaimer that you really cant put much stock in them or they should not be trusted. Yeah. Just what . I dont see that being a persuasive defense. They call it the worthless clause. Donald trumps team calls it the worthless clause, because when they put them together, they have a waiver. We have all seen the waiver language and by clicking on i agree to this, and the waiver there said, all of the numbers are not to be relied on. And all of the numbers are worthless, and the judge says that i find that waiver to be worthless. Waivers can be relevant, but there is a Tipping Point when you say that you cant waive away any liability. Also, when we heard the Attorney GeneralLetitia James say that donald trump had engaged in persistent and consistent fraud, that is not inflammatory words, that is the name of the law that he was found guilty of. And to bring people up to speed hang on. We have pictures frs from insid the court. I wonder if the judge has ruled. This sun uis unusual do we audio in the donald trump next to his lead counsel what is happening there and nevertheless, you are seeing the pictures, and the photog this is unusually caroline. And maybe we are seeing where everyone is and nobody is speaking wouldnt that be odd that the judge would let the Camera Go Without Making A judgment beforehand . He smiled for the camera there and you saw everyone in the court. This is highly unusual. We have something from aaron cooper, the judge oversees trumps fraud trial has denied Media Requests for the camera for Opening Statements, and that we do know, and this is maybe he allowed a quick photo like the still photos like we saw, but a quick video, and this is the courtroom, and the judge and the a. G. And donald trump and the defense and now you can leave. But we dont know we wont have no, right. And at least at the reporting. Any judge is the king or queen of his or her courtroom, and they will get to decide, and that shot is not without the judges approval. The criminal case in manhattan down the street, the judge did allow still photos to be taken before the proceeding starts, and this is roughly the equivalent of that. I want to bring back paul reed in the discussion if the cameras are allowed in the courtroom, and we did get a look at where things stand, but it is going to feel as if we have entered a new phase where there is no difference of the legal and the political here. They are going on and from the comments that donald trump just said outside. And paula, the judges in the other cases will be watching how donald trump comports himself, and what he says crosses lines into areas that matter in those courtrooms. So i wonder if you can talk about the totality of all of this. Yeah, absolutely. You dont have to imagine that this is something that is happening across the cases. Lets talk about a little bit of what is happening in washington, d. C. , where the Special Counsel has brought charges against the former president , and that case is happening in front of judge tanya chutkan, and she going to have a request from the Special Counsels office to put a