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CNNW Erin July 3, 2024

Twitter and instagram. You can always tweet the show cnnsitroom. The Situation Room is also available as a podcast wherever you geget yourcasts. Erin Burnett Outfront starts erin Burnett Outfront starts right now. Captions by vitac www. Vitac. Com outfront next, the knives are out. Republicans lashing out at republicans. Mccarthy allies kicking pelosi out of her office as retribution. This is our congress, america. And The Donald Trump show is over. Those are the words of the new York Attorney general Letitia James, firing back at the former president who is on trial for fraud and could well lose his business. Plus, new troubles for putin as video appears and we just have to show russia shooting down one of its own prized fighter jets as a former russian journalist is sentenced for her bold antiwar protests on live television. Shes my guest. Lets go outfront. And good evening. Im erin burnett. Outfront tonight, chaos and fury. The House Of Representatives has now been without a speaker, permanent speaker, for more than 24 hours. And right now its still all out mayhem, chaos on capitol hill. Republicans tearing into each other, blaming the group of eight, the members in their own party who kicked Kevin Mccarthy out. And theyre flailing to such an extent now that they are blaming democrats. Theyre republicans by name and registration only. If they were for the party, they would have done what was best for the party. Now were not able to do anything. When matt gaetz said i want to make sure we get Appropriations Bills through and get back to regular order, the only word i can describe for that is hes either a fool or a liar. We dont have a single, with all due respect, democrat, that are working with us. Reporter now, on this democrat point, just to be clear, republicans took out their own republican speaker. Because the party in power picks the speaker. The other party does not help. For example, pelosi did not get a single republican vote. So thats not how it works. Whatever democrats may get in place of mccarthy, though, its not on them that hes gone. But that is not stopping republican ire including from mccarthy himself. Because two republican sources are telling cnn tonight that mccarthy was the one behind the decision to kick the former house speaker, nancy pelosi, and the former majority leader steny hoyer out of their offices. Our jamie gangel tonight reports that a republican source tells her of the evictions, kevin is on a revenge tour, this was kevins call. The chaos is so bad that both sides in the senate now are worried about whats next. Unfortunately, it means we cant do other things which i would like to be doing. The house can vote on no bills, no appropriations work can get done. Its messy. There is no denying that. We dont even know whats happening in the House Of Representatives. We dont even know whats happening. Well, congress has 41 days to figure out how to fund the government. But that is not getting done because congress cant operate without a speaker. Border security on hold. Everything is on hold. While republicans hash this out. And the vote on a new speaker is not happening until some time next week at the earliest. Manu raju is outfront on capitol hill. And, manu, these 24 hours you have been speaking fast and furiously to anyone you can find there on the hill. I put it in that context because of course now theyre gone, again. What happens now . Reporter there is a scramble happening right now behind the scenes. A Leadership Race is now in full shape between Steve Scalise, the House Majority leader and the House Judiciary Chairman jim jordan to be the next speaker of the house. Other candidates also may yet emerge flirting with the possibility of running. But it will be no easy task to bridge the divide of this bitterly divided republican conference, which theres a lot of fingerpointing at this moment at those eight Republican M Members who joined with democrats to oust the speaker. Matt gaetz warning that he could potentially be expelled from the republican conference. And others saying simply that the efforts to push out Speaker Mccarthy will undoubtedly, in their view, hurt their ability to hold onto the house next november. I think it makes the House Republican rebels look foolish. They look unserious. I think they look like theyre more interested in fighting than governing. Mr. Gaetz is only doing this for himself, and i believe that he should be looked at for an expulsion. I have not made up my mind. This guy doesnt have his ducks in a row. And thats what you see with people who lie. They never keep their story straight. And thats what matt is doing right now. Hes going to continue to lie. Reporter what do you think of the chances of your party retaining control of the house next year, given all this disarray . I think its going to be incredibly tough. Reporter and there is just a lot of questions too, erin, whether or not the next speaker candidate can actually get to 218 votes to be elected house speaker. There are divisions within not just the personal feelings but also on some of the key policy decisions, including one key issue, whether or not to make it harder to ausa Sitting Speaker in the future. Those hard liners who pushed out Kevin Mccarthy want to make it easy, continue to make it easy. Others are saying they need to raise the threshold to prevent this from happening again, and also, erin, one key policy issue. Ukraine aid hanging in the balance. Jim jordan telling me today that he is against more funding for ukraine which raises a lot of concerns for ukraine supporters on capitol hill about getting this through potentially under a speaker jordan. Manu, thank you very much. I want to go now to the republican Congressman Ken Bach who voted to oust mccarthy. Im also going to be speaking to the democratic congressman ro khanna. First, though, i want to begin with congressman bach. And i appreciate your time, sir. The house is in disarray. It could be a week or more before we know who the speaker is. The business of governing is not happening, as you and i sit here tonight. Was your vote worth that . Erin, lets make something clear. When we got the schedule in january as to the weeks that we would be in session, we were out this week and next week in our districts doing district work. So, to say its in disarray, it wouldve been in disarray if Kevin Mccarthy was still speaker and we were still in our districts. We were not supposed to be convening this week or next week. The reason we were convening or we are convening is the fact that we have not passed the Appropriations Bills. We didnt start working on those in may or june or july. And we didnt take any time in august to come back and work on those Appropriations Bills. And the reason is very simple. This Leadership Team wanted to make sure that they jammed us as best they could by not passing Appropriations Bills and trying to pass a continuing resolution and then an omnibus, one large bill, at the end of the year. 27 years in a row, the house has not passed its Appropriations Bills. This year we have not passed a budget yet. The chaos and the disarray existed long before Speaker Mccarthy lost the vote. Well, there are many who would agree with you in that characterization. But just to be clear, it does seem a bit rich to say that because you would have been in recess anyway, it doesnt matter that theres no speaker of the House Of Representatives. Youre saying that were not getting the work done in d. C. , and we werent supposed to be in d. C. This week or next week. And, so, im not disagreeing with you that we should get a speaker, we should move quickly, we should get someone who everybody has confidence in and will take spending seriously. I want to ask you about those individuals in just a moment. But first, a lot of your republican colleagues are placing the blame at your feet, they are, at you and the other seven who voted to oust mccarthy. Here are a few of them. Youve got eight people over there that say they stand on principle and policy. Its really all about selfpromotion. I think there needs to be a reckoning within the conference. There needs to be accountability for the eight individuals who selfishly up ended our House Majority and put their own interests above the country. You had, in this case, eight socalled republicans that got together with 208 democrats against the will of the remaining 210 republican majority, and forced this to happen. They handed over the reins. They got schooled and used. Reporter congressman, those are your peers. They say youre engaging in selfpromotion, that youre selfish, you put your own interests ahead of the country, you got schooled and used. What do you say to your own peers . Well, first of all, im not going to engage in that kind of namecalling or accusation. I will say this. We have not passed a budget this year. And thats disgraceful. The very people who are blaming the eight who voted against Kevin Mccarthy are the same people who have held up this process so that we dont get to the point where we pass a budget, pass Appropriations Bills, and deal with the huge spending. At the end of President Bidens first term in office, we will have 36 trillion of debt. The American People know thats unsustainable. I understand that the people who work and live in the swamp are very upset that the structure that has been set with special Interest Groups has been upended. And for them, i hope they relax a little bit. But i am not going to step back from the position i took because the American People are squarely, squarely on our side in this issue. I did promise to ask you about who you would support. I just want to be clear, would you support either Steve Scalise or jim jordan . And is there anyone else youd support . I want to make sure that we get a speaker. I am not going to support somebody at this point. I think that my support would be not positive for anybody. So i think the best thing i can do is just to look and listen and make a decision later. Well, that is very selfaware. But let me ask you one other thing quickly. Will you support somebody who is going to say im not going to allow one person, this whole issue with mccarthy, that one person could bring a motion to table and end up with the ouster of him as speaker. Would you be fine going back to 20 . Or are you going to insist one person . Nancy pelosi changed that number. Kevin mccarthy agreed to five. I think five is reasonable. I think one is reasonable. I think we need to focus on spending and not on the rules. The American People dont send us here to work on insider ball like the rules. They send us here to make sure that we deal responsibly with the issues that we have in front of us. Yes, although, of course, as we have all just seen, sometimes the rules impact all of us in this country. Thank you very much, Congressman Buck. I appreciate your time tonight. I now want to go to the democratic congressman ro khanna. Congressman, i want to give you a chance to respond to what Congressman Buck had to say. Well, i actually respect Congressman Buck. He had the courage to pen an oped in the Washington Post saying that the Impeachment Inquiry against President Biden had no basis. That is true, he did that, yep. I dont agree with him on a lot of issues, but ive always found that hes an independent voice and he votes his conscience. So ive never found any reason but to have a cordial relationship with him. Well, youre speaking much more nicely about him than many of his own peers are. Those words that were hearing from republicans, and i just took a few of them, but saying that the eight, selfpromotion, selfish, self above country, its ugly. Erin, we have to get past the namecalling. I mean, what happened in this country to actually trying to win an argument through reason and logic and debate . I just dont like the tone of washington where people are cursing each other out and thinking that that somehow has become fashionable, and that having fights is what is going to attract support. I mean, stand on your convictions, make an argument, and then move on, and have reasonable disagreement. Thats what democracy at its best should be. Let me ask you about Something Else happening which fits in exactly the context of what youre talking about, which is our reporting tonight that the former Speaker Mccarthy is taking away the offices of both steny hoyer and nancy pelosi, as the leaders. Republican Congressman Garrett Graves tells cnn, look, the deal is the office of the preceding speaker, Speaker Pelosi and other democrats determined they wanted a new preceding speaker, because they are blaming Kevin Mccarthy. So he is getting the office. Does any of this add up . Or is this just petty . Its worse than high school or junior high school. I mean, the American People are sitting there saying we cant pay our gas bills, we cant pay our food bills, groceries cost too much, our wages arent going up. And congress is engaged in this kind of tit for tat . Who cares about giving them an office. I think there is not a selfawareness of how out of touch this body is, how terrible we look to the American People. Anyone who thinks, oh, the democrats won or the republicans won has no idea what theyre talking about, and most americans think a pox on everyones Houses Congress is dysfunctional. Weve got to wake up and start governing around here. Congressman khanna, thank you. Next, donald trump versus Letitia James. The new York Attorney general not shying away from a fight with the former president. I will not be bullied. The donald trump show is over. And the worlds second richest man, owner of tiffanys and Louis Vuitton under preliminary investigation over alleged ties to a Russian Oligarch. Plus, the miraculous story of the 9yearold found alive after going missing from a camping trip with her parents. New details about the suspect in her kidnapping. New tonight, quote, The Donald Trump show is over. Those are the direct words coming from the new York Attorney general Letitia James as she fires back at repeated attacks that came today from the former president in regards to that Civil Fraud Trial here in new york. Here is what trump said and james response. We have a prosecutor, Letitia James, whos incompetent. You pay it back and you get sued by a political animal. Im stuck here because i have a corrupt Attorney General. Trumps comments were offensive and were baseless. They were void of many facts and evidence. Comments that i will describe as racebaiting. Comments, unfortunately, that appeals to the bottom of our humanity. L mr. Trump is no longer, The Donald Trump show is over. This was nothing more than a political stunt, a fundraising stop. Now, it is important to note that it is true, trump has fundraised off the trial. And trump, who you see here in this photo with a very serious look on his face was frustrated in court today, repeatedly throwing his Hands Up In The Air sitting with his arms crossed. This comes as trumps lawyers officially announced he will appeal the judges ruling that he and his company engaged in persistent fraud for years. We have who was an executive Vice President who worked for trump for nearly two decades and is the author of tower of lies. All right, barbara, you and i have talked many times over the years here. I want to start with what we just played, trump and the Attorney General Letitia James, the back and forth. She says trumps trying to bully her and engage in racebaiting rhetoric. He does repeatedly call her a racist in general. You know him well, right . Pretty well. Well, i did. Is she right when she said oh, yes. He always did that. Hell say im the least racist person in the world. But he does love doing that. And calling her an animal, too, is a very racist thing to do. So, the images today of him inside the courtroom. First of all, he didnt have to show up at all. He came on day one and people close to him said, okay, its just one day to make his point. Then he came on day two and three. Now hes gone for a while. Well see when

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