Hello. Im Boris Sanchez in washington, d. C. John berman is live in lewiston, maine, the scene of Mass Shootings at two separate locations. Officials today updating the death toll to 18. They say eight of those killed have been identified. Another 13 were injured. Several of them in critical condition. John. Yeah, boris, the gunman is still on the loose. In fact, we just got an updated Public Safety alert that crossed all of our phones up here that said a shelter in place order in Androscoggin County which is where i am, and the Northern County nearby has been extended. Please make sure your homes and vehicles are secured. That warn just came out seconds ago. People in multiple locations now being told to shelter in place. This huge manhunt is intensifying for the suspect, robert card, you can see him there on your screen, 40 years old. His family is urging him to surrender. Police have released several images of card, including surveillance photos. You can see him pointing an ar15 style rifle during an attack. We know he serves in the national guard. Has extensive Rifle Training is said to be an outstanding marksman on the run. I want to catch up with Shimon Prokupecz who has been actually trying to follow where the manhunt is going. Shimon, youre on the side of the road somewhere. Tell me what youre seeing. Reporter well, what happened was, we got word they were doing a search where we were before. In the last hour, they had some dogs out, bloodhounds, and perhaps they may have gotten a hit and they went and started doing some searches. And they did the searches and now the Law Enforcement officials are back here at the school. This is where this is sort of a command post, john. Where theyve been setting up. When they go up, they line up here. And then theres like heavily armed vehicles, an ambulance and a couple of teams and they go all out. And theres an atv, presumably, to search through the woods. But this has been a staging area here all day. So, if they do go out and search, if they get a tip or call or something, they will leave from here and go do the searches. Thats what we saw earlier. It looks like they were just coming back from doing one of those searches. Some of the roads, john, i want to show you, remain closed. What theyve done, theyve put the barriers along the roads here to try to prevent cars from coming here. This is a police car that just goes by. And people have been honoring it. I mean, this location, this town, theres only 17 Police Officers in this department. So, theres a lot of area to cover. So they cant cover every intersection. We have seen police cars at some of the intersections blocking vehicles. But it looks like there is some activity here. I think thats the most important thing. They are going out, there are searches. But theyre not happening in any kind of intense level. It looks like theyre more organized and setting up. And theyre going into certain areas and thats where theyre doing the searches, john. Just to be clear, where shimon is, in lisbon, maine, is about ten minute, ten miles from where i am in lewiston, maine. Police bo lisbon is where the subaru was found by a boat launch, by the androscoggin river. Behind me is the bar where many people were killed in the Mass Shootings, the suspected shooter, robert card, they say went to the Bowling Alley first, ten minutes behind me. And then presumably dropped off the car on the banks of the andrie androscoggin river, on the boat launch and now on the run. Shimon, as its staged from lisbon where hes last known to have been, the last known location, any details about how theyre going about the search . Reporter so, sometimes, its just tips. A lot of 911 calls. People certainly are on edge. You know, theres that shelter in place. People are not leaving their homes. There are some folks out here now getting gas for their cars and theyre just going home. Whats been happening is, the Police Telling us, theyre getting 911 calls. People see something, they hear something, im just trying to see, theres a car coming through here from one of the Law Enforcement officials. I wanted to see if they were coming out, john. This is what were seeing, the tractors that weve been seeing go out and theyre going in a convoy. Clearly thats not happening now. Thats what weve been seeing here when they go out for the searches. But most of it, john, as i was saying, its mostly tips. Theyre getting calls from folks. I dont know if theres other information coming in. The police chief in lisbon earlier today when we spoke to him, he said they have intelligence, theyre gathering information. And some of their searches could be based on that. But it seems right now, theyre just going off the area where is they think he was at, based off of maybe a scent from a dog. Where could he be so many hours later. And it just seems like a Guessing Game at this point. Maybe, look, clearly, they know more than theyre telling us. One of the things i do want to ask, shimon, you mention that tractor which sometimes was being taken in convoy, that presumably because theres so much, i believe, wooded areas and parks . Reporter yeah, thats what it is. Heavily wooded area. Yeah, there it is again. Now, i way. Theres some officers there on the street. But, yeah, its heavily wooded. So part of that, so they can go through one of the wooded area, so for the first time today, i really saw the heavily armed sort of in these bearcats, the Armored Vehicles, driving through the town here with staging here since early this morning. And then they waited in the sun came up. And then theyve been coming out. But, yeah. And the tractors have been out. Now, were just waiting to see what happens. And presumably, as it gets late, as the sun goes down, were not going to see as much activity like we saw when we first got here around 5 30 this morning. Yeah, again, the shelter in place alert that we just got on our phones, warn people to have their homes and cars secured. The first string of shootings that took place, brian, what are you learning . Reporter right, john, this is near the Bowling Alley where the first shootings took place, the just in time recreation center, you cant see it from our location, were at road block here. Its a looping road. Thats where The Bowl Alley is. We do have information from the brother of one of the victims killed in the shooting. Brothers name is d. J. Johnson, his sister trisha ashland, 53 years ago old. D. J. Spoke not on camera said his sister trisha worked part time at this Bowling Alley, but was actually there bowling when the gunman came in and opened fire. This is a quote from d. J. Johnson, what im told when it started to happen, she ran up to the counter and called 911. She was shot. Quote, that was just her, she wasnt going to run, she was going to try to help. His other sister was at the Bowling Alley and d. J. Johnson was on a flight to maine to be with his family. One of the victims transferred from one Medical Center to another has been discharged so good news for that particular victim. Again, you and i were talking last hour about the volume of patients. The central maine Medical Center. The head doctor there told us he had 14 patients within a span of 45 minutes coming into his emergency room. Kind of just the sheer volume of patient there is just astounding. This you know, another interesting thing about the time line there, what we got from officials earlier. This scene of the shooting. The first 911 called happened 6 56 p. M. Eastern time from this location. Then it was only 12 minutes later that the 911 calls from where youre located, john, at the Schemengees Bar grille, thats only about a tenminute drive ware. So it does appear that the shooter acted with some purpose, or at least moved fast between the two locations. What we do not know, john, was his motive. Did he target this place and the place where you are, purposely, was he targeting specific people. They did not address that at the news conference. Of course, were going to be digging on that. Yeah, where brian is right now, about a tenminute drive from where i am, 6 56, the first shooting took place at the just in time recreation, the Bowling Alley. The second shooting at Schemengees Bar behind me. Brian, thank you for reporting. Just to reiterate, trisha ashland, 53 years old, she worked part time at the Bowling Alley, she was just there for fun last night. Apparently killed when she was trying to get help and call 911. May her memory be a blessing. With me now kathryn swite, author of stop the killing. Thank you for being with me. Obviously, whats different here is different than many of the Mass Shootings that were seeing which is that the killer, at least for a time got away. At least for now. How does that change the situation . Youre right, its very unusual to have our shooters take off in a Mass Shooting in this active shooter situation, where theyre doing the shooting. Thats what we call an active shooter and then they take off. In 70 of the incidents, the whole incident lends in five minutes or less. Generally, we find that the shooters are often trying to commit suicide by cop or suicide by themselves, 30 , 40 of the time. When the shooter takes off like this, its clear that he planned this like all targeted events are, then you have to say, how do we go after him, its like were looking for a bank robber, like were looking for a bomber or any other criminal. You have to be very methodical about it. Daylight is a good thing. And nighttime is not your friend and its a very methodical process. Its a challenge, no matter what the underlying crime was. You say its clear that he planned this just like they all do. Talk more about that for a second. People who commit this kind of targeted violence, what we refer to as active shooters, they move on kind of a planned and projected targeted intent to violence. Im not saying it right. But what im saying they move on this pathway to violence there that starts with an idea. They have a grievance, whether its real or perceived. And then they want to take that grievance and then they want to execute violence because of it. They begin to gather together. They plan and they prepare, and they gather together, their instruments. In this case, hes skilled with weapons. He owns multiple weapons. He knows how to buy a bunch of magazines. Fill it with high velocity ammunition. So in this case, hes making the plan way ahead of time, he may have been planning two weeks or three days, but he may have been planning for two months or three years. Fbi Research Shows that the planning is often weeks and months, and sometimes years. Whats the right way to think about the connection between Mental Health and mass killings . And particularly this mass killing. We have learned one of the pieces of reporting, robert card right here, a military reservist, he was treated as an inpatient for Mental Health issues. He reported Hearing Voices over the summer. And apparently talked about, you know, shooting people that they was training with. Or at a base. I think its certainly fair to say now that Mental Health is the Scapegoat Answer for everybody who wants to say its not this, its not guns, its not that individual. Its just the Mental Health. Mental is a factor, theres no question about it, fbi Behavorial Experts who studied our shooters found that Mental Health was a factor. But Mental Health overall, Mental Wellness overall, a very small number of people who have a Mental Health issue ever commit violence and certainly ever commit a targeted violent act. So, when we say somebody has Mental Health problems, theyre generally, like this gentleman, reporting is that he was on medication. And he stopped taking it. Thats the problem. Its not getting the Mental Health care. The problem is not taking the Mental Health care. And when we look at Mental Health as one of the many factors it isnt just that maybe just drove him to it. Drove him to whatever he chose to do. He did all of the planning and preparation. So, we have to say, who around us is struggling . And it doesnt have to be somebody who is a paranoid schizophrenic. It doesnt have to be somebody who has some other diagnosed Mental Health care. It would be somebody who is suffering from depression, anxiety. And theyre say more brittle person. And they begin on this pathway to violence. Its up to us, because we know from research, its those of us in the community, this happened in maine, but across the country, across the world, people should be thinking, who around them has access to guns. And is in a troubled spot right now, from the Mental Health standpoint, from a Mental Wellness standpoint. Thats kind of where they come together, troubled people with guns. Katherine, i have to let you go, very quickly, this man killed ten minutes away from here at a Bowling Alley right behind me, at a bar, on the run right now. Is there any way of knowing if you think there is more killing in his plans . Or do you think hes more focused on just running . I think that if i was predicting, the future, if he does fpull a trigger again, it going to be against his own head or if hes boxed into a corner some place and if he feels that he can continue to run. Weve seen someone shoot people in a car so they can take their car. Thats why they want the areas to be locked down. Dont put yourself in a position where you open a door to somebody in circumstances or youre in a car and you drive by and he needs a car. Katherine schweit, thank you for your help here. The shelter in place warnings, to be clear are specific for peoples homes and cars, please protect them say authorities. And be safe. We appreciate it. This manhunt under way after 18 People Killed here in lewistonon, maine. Much morore on the breaking g n afafter a quicick break. Were turning now to our top story. A man who served alongside the suspected mass shooter in the Army Reserves said that robert card was one of the best marksman in his unit. Card is now facing at least eight counts of murder for allegedly going on a shooting rampage in lewiston, maine last night. Joining us now is john miller, hes a cnn Law Enforcement and intelligence analyst. John, you have learned significant details about the suspects mental state, leading up to the shooting. Thats right, boris. This summer in 2023, he was at the New York National guard training operation at camp smith, here peakskill, new york, where he sought counseling because he told Superior Officers that he was Hearing Voices. That he was having thoughts about hurting other soldiers. There were conversations about doing harm to people at the Military Base where he was assigned in maine, saucow. He got a command referral, which is a referral by choice where he was sent to a psychiatrist hospital where he was put under psychiatric evaluation for two weeks. Where they can able to monitor him and likely after those two weeks released him for further care he returned to maine. That is where we kind of start to lose the trail from what was a Mental Health episode he was going through, to where we ended up last night. He does live there. He has a very large piece of property, hundreds and hundreds of acres. And they are now looking for where he is. And where hes going, since they havent recovered the weapon he used. And they still cant find him. Yeah. Our colleague pamela brown is reporting that cards family has been urging him to surrender. What does it tell you that he he hasnt turned himself in yet . Well, heres a person who may have regressed to a mental state where he is hearing other things. He may be in a paranoid state. Its probably a good thing that they are working with the family to get their voices into this. Its obviously a less threatening appearance than being hunted by Law Enforcement. But, again, its hard to put yourself in the mind of an individual who would kill that many people in the town where he lived. And worked. And knew people. And then try to attach rational thinking to it. Absolutely. It does strike me, john, that he had this episode, as you described, that he was held for observation for several weeks, and that he still had access to very powerful weapons. How do investigators now go about tracing that angle of this . Well, maine is a state where if youre 18 years old, you can buy a rifle. If youre 18 years old, you can buy a handgun, but you have to go through a Background Check and some safety training. So there would have been nothing at the time of these purchases, which was presumably before his ac episode in the summer that would have prohibited him from owning those. Interestingly, though, boris, if he had a mental episode in the military and he was ret