His son passed away. Cnns evan perez, he read that transcript. Hes joining us now. Evan talked to us more about what you saw on this transcript and what it shows you know, that that episode that interaction between rob hur and the president is the one one that really made all the headlines from that 388 page report. There was released a few weeks ago and what we got to see from looking at this transcript is a bit of the context of how this came to be. And so what we know is that there was a discussion between the president and the interview youre worried about where he kept papers that he was working on when he left the Vice Presidency. And as he was trying to melt and he was mulling his future, including any political future sure and he is the one that brings up. He says a timeframe is 2,017. 20, 18. And then ill read you just a part of what he says. He says, remember, in this timeframe, my son is either deployed or die. Again, hes the one that brings up beau biden, and then he says, what must didnt bow die. Oh god may 30th. And then someone, a multiple people in the room remind him that it was actually in 2015 that beau biden, his son died. Again, its one of those interactions that really stands out because we know the death of jimo biden was something that is of immense importance to the president. Its a big part of what has gone on in the last two years. And the idea that he didnt remember, its something that really stood out. But the context i think really shows you a little bit more about that interaction. We also have another interaction where the president is being asked about how materials get moved, or really just a part of that transcript, it says, okay. Do you rob hur as the president , you have many idea where this material would have been before it got moved into the garage. This is his garage at his wilmington home. The president says, whatever it was from 2013 and when did i stop being Vice President . A white house lawyer in the room says 2017. And you heard President Biden says, i was Vice President. So it must have been it must have come from Vice President stuff. Thats all i can think of. What do you see repeatedly, obviously is the president. Hes doesnt pay a lot of detail attention to detail about who handles these classified documents, these papers he knows he has aides who handle them. He describes a process whereby if he we wanted to see something, he would ask for it to be brought to him. He says he didnt pack any of these boxes. That got moved from the Vice President ial residence to his to his homes after he left the left office. So i think thats going to play a big role of today, which is the idea of his memory and what that means for joe biden, of course, crepe work. Evan, there on capitol hill, no charges were recommended with the bidens handling of classified documents. What that means now as he runs for reelection, all of this the report and this testimony today first lets see what happens with this testimony today. Its good to see you, evan. Thank you. John. All right. With us now is ian sams a spokesperson for the white house counsels office. Ian, thank you so much for being with us. We have robert hurs prepared Opening Statement in here, ended. He says, quote, we have identified evidence that the president willfully retaining classified materials after the end of his Vice Presidency when he was private citizen, the evidence included an audio recorded conversation during which mr. Biden told his ghostwriter he had just found all the classified stuff downstairs when mr. Biden said this, he was a private citizen speaking to his ghostwriter and his private rental home in virginia. We also identified another recorded conversation during which mr. Biden ready . Classified information allowed to as ghostwriter. We did not, however, identify evidence that rose to the level of proof beyond a reasonable doubt. I read all of that because it included the issue where robert hur said we had evidenced the president willfully retain documents, but it did not rise beyond a reasonable doubt. Do you have the issue with that characterization yeah. I mean, i think it lays bare pretty clearly that the result of this 15 month investigation that was led by a trump appointee, prosecutor who was named Special Counsel, found that there was no case here. I think that some of those that language that you just laid out is a little bit missiles leading. In fact, later in the report, 200 pages and not on page two, but 200 pages and he says very clearly that the evidence does not fully support the idea that he willfully retained classified documents when it comes to Sharing Information with others, he says hundreds of pages into the report that the evidence does not support that the president knew that he was even telling him Classified Information. And so i think that whats lost in the shuffle of all this is that its the evidence in the facts that were accumulated over a 15month investigation, comprehensive, very long, very intrusive actually refuted these theories that the Special Counsel explored and found very plainly that there was not a case to be made here what the Special Counsel explicitly says is the evidence did not rise the level of proof beyond a reasonable doubt. He says because the evidence fell short of that standard, i declined to recommend criminal charges its against mr. Biden. You were quoting from the actual 400 page report which i tried to react much of it as i could just go and just take your i was just quoting from the Opening Statement that hes going to deliver to congress today, it was at this and i think its important to, i just have it i just have it written down right here actually, on page 215, the report says quote, there is in fact a shortage of evidence on these points. So i think that hes going to have to reconcile those two things. And thats up to him to do. But the report is very clear that the evidence and the facts that were gathered over 15 months show that there is no case here. And what people are going to see in the transcript that now i heard evan talking about having access to and i believe the Justice Department has produced to congress this morning the transcript is going to show that the president had very clear and detailed testimony to them the Special Counsel, that he did not know he had these, that he was unaware. Weve said that from the very beginning of this case that as soon as these documents were discovered, we fully cooperated with the Justice Department to ensure that they were returned. And why did we do that . We did that because the president takes Classified Information seriously he testified theyre the Special Counsel, for example, that if he had ever found anything, he would have given it back. And thats proven out, by the way, this case has played out in exactly how he handled this from the very beginning by cooperating and making sure that anything was given back in the initial report, the Special Counsel made absolutely clear how cooperative the president and the white house has been enlisted that as a reason or a differentiating factor between the decision not to charge trump or biden and the decision to charge former President Donald Trump obviously, robert hurs inclusion of issues surrounding president binds memory has been a major issue. One that you have not ive been pleased with. I want to read you again. This is from the Opening Statement that hes going to deliver to congress. Her will see the evidence and the president himself put his memory squarely at issue we interviewed the president and asked him about his recorded statement. I just found all the classified stuff downstairs. He told us he did not remember saying that to his gun ghost writer. He also didnt remember finding any classified material in his home after his Vice Presidency, and he didnt remember anything about how classified documents about afghanistan made it their way into the garage . Again, part of his Opening Statement, what issue do you have with that . Sure. Yeah. Well, i guess its not that surprising that he might not remember something that he testified repeatedly. He didnt know he had he didnt intentionally take and that he relied on Staff Members like most principals do, especially someone at the level of the Vice President , he relied on staff to pack and move his papers in boxes i think also on this issue of the memory, its been selectively chopped up and edited and sent around because of the confusing way that that report was written. But also in that report. And again, i wrote this down later in the report, he says explicitly, quote, we expect the evidence of mr. Bidens State Of Mind to be compelling. He said that he it provided, quote, clear and forceful testimony. These are things that he says in the report and in the transcript. He says, uh, one point, he praises the president s quote, photographic memory. And so theres a little bit of a distinction here and a little bit of picking and choosing which issues to criticize the president s memory on. But i think that at the end of the day, its because the facts and evidence dont support this case. Nothing else. Nothing about the president s testimony. Its a fact of the facts and evidence over 15 months of investigating prove that there is no case here. It is notable that in his Opening Statement, which is a little bit over four pages long, robert hur spends almost two pages talking about the issue of the president s memory and why he did include that. I have not seen the transcript of the president s testimony. You said its its been released by the Justice Department to congress. So perhaps we all will see some of it. Evan perez has seen some of it. His reporting this morning on the issue. And again, this is something that President Biden himself took issue within the original report, bringing up his memory of the death of his son, beau. This is a quote from evans reporting. The transcript shows that the president brought brought up his son amid a broader discussion about his handling of sensitive documents as he mold his future after leaving Public Office after five decades, asked for it, kept papers that he was working on. Biden began a Story Framing the context as the 2017, 2018 era, the president brought up the son beau, who he said it encouraged him to remain politically we engage, remember in this timeframe, my son is either deployed or is dying. Biden said, according to the transcript, the president brought up his sons death and you remember the month and day, what month did bow die . Oh god, may 30. Several people in the room interjected to remind him that his son died in 2015, not the 2017 to 2018 timeframe. Again, so this is more context about how the death of his son ever became an issue. It wasnt as if im not mistaken. He wasnt asked about the death of his son by the Special Counsel, was he . The president was in fact asked about his work on his book, about his sons passing, about his work after his Vice Presidency on the biden cancer initiative, something that was so deeply moved motivated by beaus illness and passing. These are deeply personal and emotional issues for the president and hes talked openly about those to the American People for years, about how he overcame that grief and how he worked through it, and how he hoped to find purpose beyond this grief. And that was what he was being asked about. And so anybody who has even a familiarity with the president understands the personal nature of this and that he would talk about his son, beau, and the impact that he had on the work that he was pursuing after his Vice Presidency on the book and on the cancer world or can i think that the American People can see clearly that the president doesnt need a reminder as to when his son died. He says right there, may 30th, this is something that the president carries with him every single day. The memory of losing his son families across this country understand the power of loss and grief and the way that, that impact someone. And this is a president he was taken that loss and grief and turned it into purpose. And i think it just goes to show again how outrageous it was for that to even be included in this report. And dont take just my word for it. Former attorney general, former Deputy Attorney general former Justice Department prosecutors, senior officials, all came out in the aftermath of this report and said this is totally inappropriate. You can make the point without talking about that. So it just shows how outrageous it was for that to be included in the final report. Its ams. I know you have a busy day. We appreciate you taking some of your time out of it to spend with us. Thank you thanks, john sir. Alright. 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