American history. A former Vice President but a warning the nation against reelected his old running mate. Thats tonight on these good evening. Im abby phillip in new york, and tonight, former Vice President mike pads, making a Cleaner Break with trumpism that was years in the making. Finally, he is saying out loud, the trump cannot be given the keys to the oval office. Again it should come as no surprise that i will not be endorsing donald trump this year. I cannot in good conscience endorsed donald trump in this campaign. You can now add pads to the everexpanding list. A former donald Trump Officials who say that the former president should not ever stepped foot in the white house. Again just let that sink in. This is a list that is quite long at this point among them, his former Attorney General, bill barr is like a nineyearold defiant nine yearold kid is always pushing the glass toward the edge of the table, defying his parents to stop them from doing it his former National Security adviser, john bolton between biden and trump, there was no conservative on the ballot. So i wrote In The Name Of a conservative and i would do the same in 2024 his other former National Security adviser, hr mcmaster, i think it would be terribly divisive for our country for him to, for him to run again the former Trump Defense secretary mark esper do you think trump can be trusted with the nations secrets ever again . No. I mean, its, its just irresponsible action that places are Service Members at risk places our nations security at risk the other former Trump Defense secretary, jim madness, he said the trump fomented an insurrection. The former trump chief of staff, john kelly, who says trump has no idea what america stands for. His former acting chief of staff, Mick Mulvaney i quit because i think he he failed at being the president when we needed him to be that and his former joint chiefs chairman mark milley we dont take an oath to a king or queen. What a tyrant or a dictator. And we dont take an oath to a wanna be dictator and there are others, quite a few more, in fact, but pants today gave his reasons and they arent just about how trump put his life at risk on january 6, during my president ial campaign, i made it clear that there were profound differences between me and President Trump on a range of issues not just are difference on my constitutional duties that i exercised on january the six donald trump is pursuing an articulating an agenda that is at odds with the conservative agenda that we governed on to hear him say that out loud and pair it with pences refusal to endorse trump it. It is nothing short of extraordinary. But notice what all of these people have in common. Every one of them saw trumps conduct up close especially when it came to the most sensitive, an important parts of the job. The ones that deal with the nations National Security. So mike pence you would think he plans to vote for joe biden, right where are you going to vote for in november . Well, like most americans, im im going to keep keep my vote to myself. But what do you can invite him . I would never vote for joe biden, but how i vote when that curtain closes is thatll be for me pence is never trump. Hes also never biden. But thats kind of like living in never land. It denies that the choice isnt between trump and the right end line on the ballot . Its between these two men. Heres the reality. Those Who Say Never Trump but dont offer a credible alternative are more likely than not guaranteed the exact outcome that they say they do not want which is a second Trump Presidency joining me now is former republican president ial candidate and congressman from illinois, joe walsh. Hes also the host of the white flag podcast. Joe. Hearing my pants say this out loud. What do you think . Is this something that is an important moment for this country yeah, be in really good to be with you. Look at one level, this is really good. Mike pence in this is a really big deal. I cant emphasize this enough. As a republican, if you publicly oppose trump, youre done as a republican. When i came out six years ago and publicly stood against donald trump, i took a blow torch to my career, but i also knew i could never, ever run as a republican again mike pence today just did that. And abby, unlike all those other Trump Administration officials, who rightly said trump cant be trusted to be president again, none of them had any designs to run for office again pen still wants to run for office. Thats why this is such a huge deal, because hes acknowledging to the whole country, he can never run again as a republican. Thats a big deal. I mean, do you think that thats what he thinks or is he betting that there is and after trump, i mean, as you just said, he is not retiring from political life. He understands the risks that he takes by doing this. Do you think hes actually closing the door on, running as a republican again . I think hes closing the door on running as a republican and abby, if hes not, he smoking something because hell never look. He and i are the same age in our lifetime. This Republican Party is not going to change. This will never be mike pences republican or joe walsh is Republican Party again, but abby, you also nailed it in your opening. This is also kind of the bad mike pence, so okay. Youre not going to vote for trump. He cant be trusted. Will you vote for the only person who can keep donald trump out of the white house, joe biden, and mike pence wont go there. And the other curious thing abby, is the reasons that pence gave that donald trump no longer represents these conservative ideas. I think that signals that pence is going to fight to advance his brand of conservatism, but it wont be within this Republican Party yeah, i mean, certainly republican primary voters did not buy into that when he ran against trump in this primary. But what about someone like nikki haley who got out of the race . She did not endorse trump explicitly. She said he needs to earn the support of her voters now the pence has done this. This gets a lot of pressure on her. Where do you think that she will land you . This puts a lot of pressure on her, abby and i would have guaranteed before this announcement today that nikki haley is going to endorse trump. I still expect nikki haley to endorse trump because shes younger than pans, shes younger than i am. She still wants a future in this Republican Party. And again, i think the whole country needs to understand this. Its sad that this is the way it is. But if nikki haley does not endorse trump she cannot run as a republican, not in 28, not for a long, long time, if ever shes got to calculate at into her decision very interesting. Former congressman joe walsh, thanks very much for all that. Thanks, abby. And tonight a ruling and a resignation. The georgia case against donald trump looks a lot different than it did just a few hours ago. Nathan wade, who is the lead prosecutor, is now gone. And that happened after a judge presiding over this case made fani willis choose between two options. One, recuse her whole office or show her former paramour to the door. She elected to do the latter, but willis herself got a dose of medicine from this doc from this judge, scott mcafee, the judge wrote, this finding is by no means an indication that the court condones this tremendous lapse of judgment or the unprofessional manner of the District Attorneys testimony during the evidentiary hearing. Joining me now, is Bishop Reginald jackson. He is a spiritual adviser to District Attorney fani willis reverend. Thank you very much for joining us. I wonder. Have you gotten a chance to speak with ms willis about this decision and if you did or if you do, what do you plan to counsel her about what this means well, good evening. Its good to be with you my counsel to heroin. Be the bottom line is she is still prosecuting this case all of this other stuff is simply side issues. Prepare for this case. Prosecute this case so unless move forward, i think she needed to focus on this case in all of this happening over the last several months did she ever seriously consider that this case would have to be taken from her or might benefit from her taking a step back from matt i dont think she ever really thought that this case would be taken from her. And fact, if you follow the case the attorney is on the other side. They never gave any law that she broke. They never gave any evidence of a conflict of it interests this was about two things. Distract and delay distract from what the indictments were all about, and try to delay this case until glad to the election. Thats all it was about un unfortunately, right now they are succeeding the judge as you just heard me read he described this as a lapse in judgment on fani willis as part what do you make of that . Do you think he was wrong . All right. Are off base and that assessment well, to be frank with you, i think the judge and talking about poor judgment and all of that i think a lot of folks have gotten caught up again on these side issues. One nathan wade and his wife had been separated for ten years. So imagine is broken and addition to that, nothing between the District Attorney and nathan wade impacted the defendants. Absolutely. Nothing. So again, this is really about distract and delay, even the Big Bethel Church in atlanta is one of the churches that comes onto my supervision and i was there on that sunday. And so all of the fewer about the dress, let me ask you let me ask you about that. I mean, for the benefit of the audience here what youre talking about is a speech that fani willis gave at a church back in january. You prayed over her that day you were there as you just said . Judge mcafee is now considering a gag order for her as a result of that appearance, he said that the effect was to quote, Cast Racial Sbirt versions on the defense whats your view of that . I mean, thats a pretty strong thing for the judge to say here well, thats what the attorneys on the other side brought up, but if you go back and look at her address, she never said anything about the defendants in terms being racist. What shes said was that this one attorney sheep pigs, nathan wade, was targeted first, he was not qualify. Second, they were talking about on how much he made the fact that the matter is what he made was less than a lot of other attorneys and a similar position. And it turns out he was a very effective active attorney. So again, i think them pointing to racism is really disingenuous because donald trump hes referred to fani willis is races hes referred to the Attorney General in new yorkers, rachis, the District Attorney in new yorkers, racist. So its interesting to me that they would even bring up, bringing race into this issue when their client its one who calls everybody whos black and disagrees with him, races with all of this going on. Do you worry for da williss safety . Almost certainly do. In fact, one of the things which i think people have very much ignored and all of this, heres a woman who not been able to live in her own house for over two years, have her family visit go out to dinner, have company over. She has really lost her own own life for her own life now, centers around this case. He has no light and now the other side has just put all of her life out on the streets, which i believe is extremely unfortunate. And even in the State Legislature here in georgia, they are talking about ethics investigations. And i think it needs to be pointed out that if they really concerned about ethics and all of that, what happens the Coffee County in georgia, where you have a District Attorney who had done no investigation and fall in our Coffee County . Nobody. And Coffee County has been investigated. Get it on anything and that was blatant election interference and misconduct lets refresh it all. T jackson. We appreciate you joining us tonight. Thank you. You very much glad to be with you and joining me now on the legal implications of this ruling from the judge today is jeremy saland. Jeremy the fani willis case. I think now the judge has ruled is it going to be something that sticks around in the minds of a potential jury pool here, where they are they im taking into consideration both trumps conduct, but also the impartiality of the da. You dont i think that injury for lack of a better term, is going to be far enough away from Jury Selection that people can move on and move on to whatever is next. And we know donald trump is going to be another distraction. Whether thats an actual case being prosecuted here in manhattan, whether thats something that comes up at a dc or florida. So i think its far enough apart but that that that issue that she has because weight is no longer there and there was that criticism and its in writing is certainly for lack of better term also going to haunt her a bit. But i think she moves forward with the case. Her longterm credibility thank might be at risk here. Absolutely. I think if you objectivec, look at it, you can say that this case is just in terms of prosecution, its the right thing to do, but you can also say that doesnt mean shes immune from making some mistakes, some of which are kind of amateur. So i think the judges decision was very firm, but also it said that doesnt mean she cant go forward yeah. The judge didnt dismiss the idea that her conduct was inappropriate and other ways, legally, he described some of them as legally inappropriate. If the trump case is lost in at trial, theyre looking at an appeal. Does some of this stuff get dredged up again . This absolutely well, trumps gonna do anything he can i mean, what he can do now is asked for a certificate of review immediately from the judge and then potentially then take that immediately to an Appellate Court and Appellate Court now can decide whether or not they will hear it. So i would expect that trump will find any means or mechanism, any flaw exploit it right or wrong, and use that to delay because thats what he needs to do. A speaking of which the hush money case in new york, completely separate case. This has to do with ash 20 payments the judge now says its going to have to be delayed because of the delay in getting some thousands of documents over to the defense in this case . Is this a situation where a technicality could introduce almost like a pandoras box into this case. We dont know whats in those documents. We dont know how many more there are. What are the implications of this donald . Pardon me da is doing his job and hes doing it well in terms of turning over to you needs to turn and over. The Southern District waiting to this point in time to provide this in mind, you two separate entities he does not have control over or the Southern District provides this evidence. And what could be there . Could there be something valuable in the grand dream . And its good to be witnesses that are unknown. Could there be materials that were subpoenaed . Theres a lot of things that could be there does it mean its all going to be valuable in Donald Trumps defense . No, not necessarily. It could be something there that says, well, what this is, why we didnt pursue donald trump four something on the federal level potentially. But there has to be respect for that process. Does mean bragg done anything wrong at all . But theres got to be respected and its the right decision. I think number shine to give some time as well as da bragging. We should give a little bit of time. Yeah. Now well see how much more time they actually end up getting because it seems like this is an ongoing situation here, jeremy. Thank you very much for joining us tonight up next, Breaking News involving the safety of your flights. Boeing now warning airlines potentials, seat hazard for pilots after an incident onboard will take you inside a cockpit. Plus cnn is the first Major Network to go inside in haiti, where gangs are attacking the government. 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