For fighting for what matters. This is cnn its time to, break. Down the, big stories with some smart people today, were asking us antiwar demonstrations spread across the country. Can President Biden continued to have it both way, saying he understands why protesters are upset while backing israels Gaza Offensive then sucking up the oxygen is all the attention Donald Trumps trial is getting all ready. A win for the former president. And stop the skeptic. The new posh to make all travelers wait in line at Airport Security the panelists here ready to go . So sit back, relax and lets talk about up first, the protests of our gaza have ignited a firestorm on College Campuses the growing demonstrations, but coming a political issue drawn condemnation from Speaker Mike Johnson and a muted response from President Biden all over the us. Propalestinian protests on College Campuses leading to hundreds of arrests at the university of texas, State Troopers use wyatt here to break up demonstration well, at columbia, the epa cetera, the protests, things took a polar good luck old term was some democrats touring the Campus Protests here at columbia or a new luck on Top Republicans like house Speaker Mike Johnson also showing up. We just cant allow this kind of hatred anatomy, antisemitism to flourish and calling for the schools president to step down. I am here today joining my colleagues and calling on president. Sure. Fee to resign. If she cannot immediately bring order to this chaos. But President Biden has no plans to visit columbia as heine between defending the protesters and denouncing. Now, i condemn somebody protests. Thats why ive set up a program to deal that. I also condemn bonus dont understand whats going on with the palestinians here with me today, author and podcast host, kara swisher, editor in chief of the dispatch and columnist at the la tom jonah goldberg, lulu garcianavarro, new york times, journalist and host of the interview, a new podcast from the times now leanna johnson, editor of the Washington Free beacon. Welcome back everyone jonah, as we saw on that piece republicans seem to think they can score points on all the protests going on on campuses across the country. How did these protests play politically i think republicans are smart to do it im take aside the issues about israel and gaza and all that. Just the feeling of chaos and things spiraling Out Of Control is bad for joe biden, the sense that things are not returning to normal was bad for joe biden and bad for democrats. And plus these protests we want to call them pro palestine or antiisrael or pro hamas. They divide a big chunk of bidens coalition and unite basically the republican coalition, which is bigger than the trump coalition. So i think its almost all political upside for loop. Im going to pick up on that. And how big a problem isnt for democrats specifically the two points that johnson made. One, just the sense and chaos and disorder which is spreading frehse was a columbia thing. Now its all over the country and also it sharpens, deepens a divide within the Democratic Party between people who are supportive of israel and people who are upset about the humanitarian situation in gaza. I think thats right. I mean, i think it is a real big very big problem for democrats. There finding at the moment that they dont really know how to grapple with these protests. On the one hand, they want to be supportive of their base many of whom, especially young voters and voters of color who think that what is happening in gaza is terrible. And they wanted to show support for the palestinians. And on the other hand, of course, weve seen antisemitism and antisemitic comments in many of the protesters in many campuses. And of course, they want to condemn that, but theyre caught in the middle. I mean, they really are struggling to figure out a coherent message. But youre seeing republicans like john sen. Come out and try and say, they should bring the National Garden to quell these protests. This is a man who of course supported january 6 and the insurrectionist. So there is a little bit of political hay being made on the right that perhaps is going to benefit them as we showed in the setup piece, biden is trying to straddle. This is really trying to have it both ways on the one hand, hes condemning antisemitism, but on the other hand, hes expressing sympathy for the palestinians and their situation in gaza. And donald trump seasonopening here, take a look this is tremendous hayden. We have a man that get dark about it because he doesnt understand that he doesnt understand whats going on with our country. Hello yana ten biden, keep trying to play it both ways here. He can do it, of course, but i think its a missed opportunity for president ial leadership. I think its good politics to come out against protesters who are telling jews to go back to poland and im, saying zionists dont deserve to live. Those are direct quotes from leaders of the columbia protests. Its good politics for biden to stand against that. The problem for him, of course, is that the left wing of his party representative, ilhan omar, are showing up at the protest to shore them up. So of course, he would alienate the left flank of his party. But i do think its a missed opportunity for him. To fade into the background of this. Well some people are saying that and i think you have to be the question is, do you are you for order and against chaos or for protests and the right to free speech. And whats interesting is how quickly everyone and shifting all the freespeech warriors are suddenly like order. Order. We must have order. And so there are your heinous things that are said, but there is a line where you have to support also young people, especially when they do things that they do badly, not to support them, is sort of antiamerican and speech is fine, but usc has canceled this graduation. Columbia university has canceled classes and put them online. Weve gone well beyond free speech and into shuttering the operations of universities. And i do think its a missed opportunity for biden to say there are limits. Weve gone beyond speech and into harassment and disruption here not stand for that. Yeah. I think weve also those seen a reaction from some of the police and others that have been deployed on campuses that have been access, access today or indiana because then then thats a whole different story as these young people, you are changing the political mentality of young people right now. If you push down too hard on an especially at this age and not being able to express yourselves. I think you have a much bigger problem later, but just to get back to the politics of the politics. But the problem is it seems to me that biden is really quite his coalition on the one hand, theres an awful lot of the Democratic Party that is foursquare behind israel. You dont want to alienate them. On the other hand, there are a lot of people including some jews, who are for israel, who are horrified by whats going on as gaza. And so this is how do you walk that tight rope . This is also a gift to netanyahu. I mean, these protests, i mean you can look at this and whatever the protesters think that theyre doing what you have seen, is that you have seen israelis. I spoke to the israeli Opposition Leader for my new podcast, the interview. And he was absolutely horrified by these protests. He said that they didnt know what they were talking about. They didnt clearly under stan, the history of the conflict. And so you are seeing here it activating not only here in the united states, but also how its, how its being played in. I want to bring one other aspect of this up. There is growing talk linking the protests that are happening now, for instance, on the campus at Columbia University, the antiwar protests us to antiwar protests like those at Columbia University back in 1968, which did not turn out well for the democrats. Jonah, how legitimate do you think is the comparison of whats going on now on campuses to what was going on during the vietnam war on the substance, i think its a pretty weak comparison. The anti draft movement, the Antiwar Movement was a much bigger thing, much more galvanizing force. But at the level of atmospherics and sort of psychology, i think theres a lot of similarity, a lot of college kids, i get the whole free speech argument. A lot of kids basically have selma and v, they theyre taught to be protest is sort of part of who it is to go to college. And it is so some of this is sort of cost play into my mind and just is what its part to be a young person to push against ideas, ready for some young people just want to go to their graduation of a class but this is more like dry apartheid movement, as i recall when i was there more on that level, because theres not americans in it was married in vietnam has a very different conflict. I was going to say the personal stakes are completely different than 3 Million People in 1968, american soldiers in vietnam and 200,000 thats right. Mostly College Students have been drafted at that point, so i will the personal stakes very different while President Biden is speaking up about the protest, hes keeping pretty quiet about Donald Trumps hush money trial. But is that the right move . Then unconventional wisdom . The new effort by some republicans, two possibly replace Kamala Harris on the democratic ticket and later rolling the dice. 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And after a week of Wall Coverage of his criminal hush money, trial. Follow embarrassing details about his personal life. Crop must be hoping those words still hold true. So we have another day court and everything is very cold but on the stand scorching details from former National Enquirer boss, david pecker. He testified about a scheme to get trump elected in 2016. Pecker saying he told trump i would be your eyes and ears . Her testified he told trump about two women playboy model, Karen Mcdougal and porn star stormy daniels, who had stories about alleged affairs with trump. Pecker, paid mcdougal 150,000, then never published her story. Part of a socalled catch and kill schemes. Trumps lawyer asking pecker you had similar relationships with other people. Pecker answering . I did. But the public seems unbothered by the case so far in a new cnn poll, 45 of voters say its irrelevant to trumps fitness for the presidency up from 39 last summer. And while some front credits are speaking up how about the trial as far as i know, you dont pay someone 130,000 not to have sex with you. President biden is choosing to stay silent. President biden or trump trial littleo, i know its only week one of a trial thats going to go on for five or six or whatever weeks. Hows it going for trump so far . Sorry, im smiling that romney quote was just really, really funny hows it going for him . Im not a legal analyst, so i dont know it on the merits, but i can tell you that i had been riveted even though we cant see it. It is salacious. First of all, the window into how this all work, this catch and kill, and how this man whose name is david pecker, like it feels like im already in some weird alternate universe with the name alone is so amazing and i think what i keep coming back to is trump. Every day he shuffles out of the courtroom and he rails against what is happening happening. And theres this idea and hes constantly talking about his victim hood and yet its about he basically was this wealthy man who had this, who was plugged into one of the most read tabloids in the city. And they were trying to find if there were people trying to if there was Word On The Street that it was slipping with people. I mean, it doesnt seem like because much of a victim to me. So i think its going to hurt him. Jonah, i got to say i was surprised at how much the prosecution got out of its first witness, david pecker, and especially the fact that he said, look, when when he was worried about these women, it was all about the campaign. It wasnt about trying to protect his family. Melannie wonka me about i mean, that thats an important point because thats what the contention is that paying the soft was a campaign issue. It wasnt a personal issue. Yeah. Just on the strictly legal part of it its not illegal to pay off somebody to keep quiet during a credit is illegal to call it a business expense, right . Right. So its a misdemeanor to call it a business to falsely call it a business expense, and its a misdemeanor under federal election law, and you what brians going 22 and misdemeanors together to get 34 felony is i dont think that math works legally, regardless. I dont think this is particularly great for trump it it does take time out of campaigning. Its gotta be a wet blanket on fundraising no, actually, its rising a lot of money yeah. I mean, about like bigger donors and all that kinda stuff. But the number of the watch is that 45 , 45 is basically trumps share of the electorate. If it gets higher than than that, then this is starting to work for him. But right now, 45 i would expect 45 of the electorate to say they dont care about this because 45 of the electorate says theyre going to vote for him no matter what. 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