Says plans are on to use the military to carry out a mass deportation of millions of undocumented immigrants. Hes indicating hes willing to decide step a law that prohibits using american troops against civilians. He says, quote, while these arent civilians these are people that arent legally in our country. This is an invasion of our country on quo asked about the possibility of political violence. If he were to lose the election to joe biden as he did in 2020, mr. Trump said he was going to win and then quote, and if we dont win, you know, it depends. It always depends on the fairness of an election on quote asked if he would fire a us attorney who refuses to follow his orders to prosecute someone he wants to prosecute. He said, quote, it depends on the situation, honestly asked if he would consider pardoning every single one of the nearly 800 rioters convicted of attacking the capitol on january 6, trumps said, i would consider that, yes. Yes. Absolutely. Joining me now to discuss more as massimo calabrese, the Washington Bureau chief for Time Magazine, moscow. Thanks so much for joining us. So the title, the cover story is, how far trump would go andour Reporter Presses trump in a wideranging, a range of issues. He opens with this sentence. Donald trump thinks is identifified a crucial mistae of his first term. He was too nice. What, what does that signify to you but it sets the tone for the whole piece, which is this is the same donald trump were all very familiar with but he struck eric or less are reporter. And all of us involved into pieces more confident that confidence i think comes from his own experience, but also from having a real plan for what he would do if he got an office and it is in some ways designed to be tougher than last time in addition to the article you published a transcript of the interviews, a fact check for some of the claims trump made in the interview. Its not ive been reading Time Magazine since the 1970s. Its not normally how these things are done. Why take these extra steps . Well, we think the transcript is of historic significance. It was a long interview. The first two interviews really use thats right. The first interview was more than an hour in maralago, inperson. The second interview was last saturday, 20 minutes. And he gets into a lot and we think theres a fair amount that we cover in the story, but we thought but it was valuable for the transcript to be out there, for everybody to have a look. So i think a lot of people are concerned about the potential for political violence. Again whether trump wins or loses, quite honestly, i did in the leadup, trump said on the subject, he thinks hes going to win and there wont be any violence. But when asked if he doesnt win, he said, as i quoted before, if we dont win depends. It always depends on the fairness of an election. I to do the things that they did the last time. I dont think therell be able to get away with it. First of all, factcheck. Nobody got away with anything last time down trump lost fair and square. And january 6 was a horrible moment in our nations history. But what did you make of that . Answer given the fact that he is literally facing charges in georgia and in Federal Court for his activities on january 6, related to january sex. Look, i think its another opportunity for voters and readers to make a judgment for themselves about this man is as a candidate, he that kind of equivocation around very sensitive subjects is almost a trademark of donald trump as a politician. The context in which were seeing it now is quite different the trials, as you say. But i do think its an opportunity for people to take a look book and see how what they feel about that. So youre reporter asked drop about this comment. He said to sean hannity during a town hall during on fox last december, take a listen. He says youre not going to be a dictator or yeah, i said no, no, no. Other than day one would closing the border. And were drilling drilling drilling after that, im not addicted now. Its interesting because when i heard trumps say that i thought hes goofing around. He likes to play with attacks on him. Im not justifying are defending it, but i never took it seriously. But his opponents, joe biden and others have said c, c, he wants to be a dictator. He said in the interview review, no, no, no. I was just joking around. I was being sarcastic. Your reporter says, dont you see why Many Americans see such talk of dictatorship as contrary to our most cherished principles, trump says, i think a lot of people like it. Whats your take . I mean, i dont really have a take. I would say he he clearly wants people to think he was joking. I dont think hes necessarily wrong that people liked that kind of talk what i like most about the piece. And this opportunity is that we got into a lot of policy steps that he says he would take that really get at the underlying question of just how strong or authoritarian president would he be. So theres a long section in the interview where eric talks to him about the ways he would exert control over the Justice Department doj by far has more power than any other branch of government to curtail americans freedoms. So if you want to think about whether trump has authoritarian tendencies to place for you to look is in the transcript and in the story where he talks about the ways that he would use the Justice Department against people he thinks should be prosecuted for, right. And if they dont carry out what he says, he leaves it open for. I mean, usually there is supposed to be some sort of independence. For instance, i dont think that President Biden particularly likes what Special Counsel weiss is doing when it comes to bringing charges against his son, hunter, but there is supposed to be a respect for the system. And donald trump clearly saying that hes leaving it open about to firing almost every president before him has recognized what the founders knew, which was a kind of a wrinkle in our system, which is the Law Enforcement powers with the power to arrest and detain american citizens rise up to the president , ultimately, theyre in the Executive Branch out of tradition, president s have tried to show deference to Senate Approved prosecutors to use prosecutorial deference to pursue the law safely protected from the political or personal interests of a political leader. Trump is smashing through that when he says that he might fire prosecutors who dont go after people, he tells them to and also the reluctance to accept facts is facts apparent. He talks about surging crime rates, how horrible the crime rate isnt look any crimes horrible, but your Reporter Notes that the fbi statistics shows a 13 drop in homicides in 20 2023, trump responds. The fbi gave fake numbers. I dont believe it, no, its a lie. Its fake news. So interesting thing there is that those numbers are actually compiled by state and local Law Enforcement and then fed up into the fbi. The fbi just take some packages them so yeah, thats another example why we we had some fact check. And another issue of importance to a lot of people. He was asked if hes comfortable with states because he says that should be left up to the states when it comes to abortion is easy, comfortable states punishing women who violate abortion bans. He says, quote, i dont have to be comfortable, or uncomfortable. The states are going to make that decision. The states are going to have to be comfortable, uncomfortable, not me. So this is sort of an interesting whole subsection of the interview. Theres a lot in this interview. This is obviously a very important issue in this campaign and for very important issue in America The Republicans and trump in particular have a problem with abortion because a lot of states are going beyond where the Political Center is on that and so hes staking out what is it a new and novel territory which is almost absolutist position on State Control of abortion in the most generous view, that means blue states do what blue states do, and red states do what red states do. But we wanted to kind of pin him down on what that would mean for everyday americans. So eric rightly asked him so if a state wants to monitor womens pregnancies and then punish women who get pregnancies past the legal limit in that state. Would you let that stay do that . And he said he would yeah. Thats certainly going to be a lot of fodder for the election season. A fascinating interview. Thank you so much, massimo, how the brazi really appreciated another major story were following today, protests sweeping College Campuses back on capitol hill, Republican HouseSpeaker Mike Johnson announced a crackdown on antisemitism. Take a listen antisemitism is a virus. And because the administration and woke University President s arent stepping in were seeing its spread we have to act soon as Mondo Raja Is On Capitol Hill for us, Manu In Our Tuan in 2022. Republicans Marjorie Taylor greene of georgia and paul gosar of arizona spoke at the White Supremacist Conference hosted by nick fuentes. They were condemned by House Leadership at the time. Thats an antisemitic organization decline. This is an antisemitic person. Any mention of that or them in todays news conference, is it only antisemitism on the left . Thats at issue here. Yeah. There was no mention of any of the past efforts jake, in fact, theres only discussion about these campuswide protests and what republicans plan to do about it. In fact, theres not much discussion about winning in concrete legislation that they plan to move ahead with. Instead, it was more about a number of congressional committees looking into federal funding, for instance, going to a number of universities, as well as sending out letters and trying to get information about somehow the universities are taking some action here as well as hearings that we expect with university leaders, for instance, in the house, education and work first committee, we expect a yale michigan, and ucla leaders to appear before that communities have been invited to appear. By the end of may. So this is more of an oversight effort, jake, the question is, how far do they take it if they give to go after the fact . There are funds that some of these universities do. They try to tie it, for instance, to Government Funding Legislation to keep the government open in the fall that could set up a showdown potentially with democrats will see that its had to go that route. The speaker did not move ahead on that aspect of it, but jake, this all comes at a key time for the speaker. Hes trying to galvanize his conference behind this issue after months and months of infighting in an acrimonious, this is one in which republicans are mostly on the same page on jake manuel, House Democratic leaders took an unusual step today, they announced that if needed, they would save the speakership of mike johnson, the very conservative louisiana republican. If individuals like Marjorie Taylor greene and others tried to oust him how are lawmakers responding to that . Yeah, its mixed views here. Jake, i mean, we do expect a wide number of lawmakers are probably overwhelmingly to vote to kill that effort oust mike johnson. This is much different than what happened in that historic and unprecedented ouster of Kevin Mccarthy last fall when all democrats voted to kick out Kevin Mccarthy along with eight republicans. This time we expect an overwhelming number of democrats to save mike johnson in large part because of him, his deals that he cut to keep the government open as also to provide aid to ukraine out to those same deals causing them problems with the far right. But you so a number of republicans and democrats are indicated, are indicating that theyre willing to stand by the speaker even if they disagree with his past dealmaking we are passing the democratic agenda. Each and every day that were here now we have a slim majority in the house and its everythings being passed overwhelmingly with democrats support. So it makes no difference to me if its a keen jeffries speaker or mike johnson right now, looks like it makes him weaker mics. Hes under siege and a lot of different areas and i think he feels are you comfortable with democrats voting . To keep mike johnson and the speakership know im not why . Because i came jeffrey should be the speaker and that last comment coming for progressive democrat jamaal bowman, who disagrees with Hakeem Jeffries approach on this end, jake martin could you tell a green plans to have a press Conference Tomorrow morning at 9 00 a. M. To announce her next steps. She can call for vote as any one member can, to seek the ouster of a speaker. So it could happen as soon as tomorrow, james. All right. Mine arrives on capitol hill. Thanks so much, so much to talk about. There. From trumps competent comments to Time Magazine, to speaker johnsons call on President Biden to get involved in Campus Protests were going to get into all of it right after this whats the greatest invention of all time, new handsfree Sketcher Slip ends. You just slip in and theyre on. 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