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Right. Thank you all for being with us this morning. A lot cnn Breaking News youre following Breaking News out of madison wisconsin. This is the scene at the University Of Wisconsin right now where police are clashing with protesters alleged show you what happened there just moments ago all right. Lets bring in chief Law Enforcement and Intelligence Analyst john miller. John, your reaction to what were looking at right now, we should show our viewers or point out to our viewers. Youre looking at live pictures of what looks like protesters sort of locking arms outside the Campus Library there at the campus of the University Of Wisconsin, madison, john, your sense of things as youre looking at all of this . Well, i think the theme of the de seems to be emerging as the University Fights back. We saw the Police Action last night in New York City, the retaking of a season hes building at Columbia University a couple of hundred arrests there and city college. And when you look at whats happening in madison, its a contrast to what occurred in los angeles, where students clashed with outsiders who came onto the campus this seems to be colleges across the country saying, as we get closer to graduation, and we have people controlling different areas of our campuses. Were taking those back and some of these pictures that were seeing today, obviously they dont look pretty. And this is part of the process where police have to plan what are we going to do . How are we going to do it . And how do we minimize either the use of force or the number of injuries . Yeah im john when you see protesters locking arms like that, that typically means what theyre going to try to make it difficult for the police to haul them away. Well, typically theyre theyre Making A Stand and at this point in most places, and this would have been the rule in la and new york. Its probably similar in wisconsin is you give the legal warning, which is your being ordered to disperse you, are going to be arrested. If you do not disperse, and then you give them time to suss out. Do i want to actually get arrested today or is that my level of commitment to this . And then those people who remain after the order is given you move in and you separate them and weve seen tactics, locking arms is not a problem for the police. Theyll separate them and arrest them for whatever the charges are going to be likely criminal trespass or Something Like that but there are sophisticated measures that have been used before. Things like Sleeping Dragons where they chained themselves together, requires more equipment and more time. But its certainly increases the amount of time it takes to clear an area yeah. And john, i mean, you know, this i mean, this this terrain pretty well. I mean, what what are usually the Best Practices when Law Enforcement gets involved in Something Like this . This i mean, i suppose weve seen the gamut here. Were showing some video of what looks like Madison Police officers clashing with protesters, de like seeing that typically is that something that you think is effective here or does it just become necessary at some point . Whats your sensitive . Well, when it comes to police tactics, Disorder Control is a perishable skill. If youre not practicing it all the time, if you are not training it all the time, if youre not using it all the time it is one of those things that you might not be great at you know, you need to have strategies like forming a skirmish line, being able to move people back what youre seeing here is a lot of pushing and shoving as they tried to separate those who are going to be arrested from those who are going to interfere with those arrests. To do this perfectly, which is hard because its controlled or uncontrolled chaos. It involves training and team tactics, which is figuring out who is going to take an arrest and then having the team focused on lets protect the officer making the arrest so that they can complete that. So hes not im trying to arrest one person and fighting with five others were trying to pull that person away. And thats some of what youre seeing here all right. John miller really appreciate i want to go now to bend newman. Hes a senior there at the University Of Wisconsin at madison. Hes on the phone with us now bend what do you know about whats going on right now . Hi jim thanks. Thanks for having me. Yeah i think its been a challenging time for your students weve heard april chance to globalize the fatah for israel to go to el that israel excuse me, the university has to enforce their rules they set on april 26 that there cannot be an experiment on library mall are shared and im watching the news along with you right now. And so ben, what have we been watching is that basically what just occurred that the police theyre cleared out this encampment and when they did that, there were these clashes between some of the protestors and some of the police. And what do you know about are there folks coming in from the outside . Is that is that been a factor in all of this on your campus i not entirely clear that some people have said that there are potentially outside agitators are outside protestors. What i know is that there are students involved, there are faculty involved to a Ben At The Encampment De and night instead, they were warned to leave the encampment that there would be consequences if they stayed in the encampment. And that no protests or should physically assault an officer or resist arrest under a lawful order. And i mean, what what are your thoughts on this when you see students and professors and police getting into it, pushing and shoving like this. I mean, its gotta be hard to watch when youre a student there, right at the end of the semester, this is not the way you want the year down. You know, i think i think thats challenging. I think many students have felt that this is not the way they wanted the year to end. I think more broadly shows the breakdown in civil dialogue that group who puts out tense and makes they have their demands. They have an unreasonable set of six demands that goes from everything from the universitys divest from israel study abroad programs to police having to leave campus overall, those are an unreasonable set of demands. It or not in the spirit of civil dialogue. So its no surprise that when confronted with the police that they behave and waves that are also physically on civil all right. Then new and keep us posted if anything comes up, let us know. Well get back to you. Thanks a lot. Appreciate it. Thanks, jim. Our were also following an explosion of violence overnight at ucla that was the scene. Theyre just hours ago, two Dueling Protest groups clashed on campus pipes, tasers, pepper spray, all reportedly being used. Lets go straight to cnn correspondence seven elm at ucla . Yes. Stephanie, im sure youve had a long night. Really appreciate it. Hanging in there for us. What are you seeing right now yeah. So if you are looking at that video, you were just showing gem of what was going on, were standing where are we believe that was happening here. And if you take a look, you can see as the theres been this barricade was here. I was here all day yesterday. This barricade was up. That barricade on the other side was up to this was the place where they had this walkway and there were security overnight. This is where we think the barricade was broken down where from this sayyed, it looked like they were trying to pull away at the barricade. And when you look through here, i can tell you yesterday this walkway was completely clear. There is nothing there. It was evenly lined up on that side, but now you can see that has been torn apart in some places and some of the pie would put back up. We saw fireworks being thrown, some the Sayyed Projectile is being drawn from the side and also look like some sort of liquid or something being tossed from the other side over here of all of this happening, deteriorating as darkness fell on campus last night and it was not until after 1 00 in the morning or so when Law Enforcement came onto the canvas of ucla, thats when theyre karen bass said that what was happening here on campus was abhorrent and also, we heard from the chancellor last night saying that what was happening now on campus was unlawful and that students were being prohibited from moving around campus. And in fact, i walked around all of Campus Yesterday and i can tell you most of the campus completely normal kids are outside. Students are outside studying greeting on the grass, preparing it all a very normal until you get to this area, but i did see some students who are turned away from one part of campus that became a point of contention at this point though, there are some students who are reporters for the daily bruyne who put out an oped, basically saying that ucla is complicit in the violence because it took too long for Law Enforcement to be here on campus, even though they said there were increasing that presence yesterday. And you can see now that you still have Law Enforcement out there now, jim, as they are making their presence known, but obviously the timbre of things much calmer at this time of day now that the sun has come up. Yeah, we hope things calmed down there on the campus ucla, stephanie elam. Thank you very much. Ill lets head now to the other side of the country. Sarah sayyed are joins us live from Columbia University in new york. It was a wild night there as well. Sarah yeah, things com this morning, although there was much larger nypd presence outside of columbia as long were also seeing tons of barricades that have been put up that were not here, but that is because of what happened last night, Police Excusing really a Shock And Awe tactic. Here at Hamilton Hall, which youre seeing just to the right of me in that hall is where some of these propalestinian protesters broke in and occupy the space. Because a long tradition to use Hamilton Hall as a place where protesters go in and occupy it from the 1960s through to now. But they went in and put banners outside the said free palestine said intifada. And at some point this seems to have been the breaking point with the university who then sent a letter to nypd and hold them to come in and get rid of remove the protesters. They not only went in and shocking all with dozens of officers all at once going into that building and taking out dozens of protesters they got rid of the encampment that has been here for almost two weeks now. We also heard from the New York City mayor, the mayor over and over and over again. Although students judette, but the mayor over and over again said, look, there was a yes, the majority of students that were in that hall and they were taking part in these protests. They were students at columbia but that there was a small group of people potentially a Smaller Group that were from the outside that were as he called them professional agitators. And he spoke to them saying that they were the ones to influence these students and that the concern from the university became high enough for them to call police and listen there is a movement to radicalize young people and im not going to wait until its done. And all of a sudden acknowledge the existence of it. This is a global problem that young people are being influenced but those who are professionals radicalizing our children. And im not going to allow that to happen as the mayor of the city of new york now, i have talked to students who have been on campus one in particular, a Graduate Student who was part of the encampment, a jewish student who said to me that he said this was studentled, it was grass roots lead, but the mayor saying there were some people theyre trying to be agents of chaos. I want to go now to my colleague gabe cohen, who is over and closer to the university right now, there has been no class on campus. This has been a virtual class. What are you hearing from students who are coming to the gate every day trying to get in, as well as professors sarah, there seems to be a lot of confusion this morning. I want to actually yeah its in faculty who are trying to enter the campus. Theres been a lot of confusion though where people dont seem to know if theyre allowed on which students are allowed in which faculty are allowed in, were also seeing a lot of this, a lot of nypd officers here. We know that the school has requested that assistance from the nypd even after last night where officers are going to be here until may 17 after graduation. And what youre looking at here is Hamilton Hall. This is the building that was really the focal point of this Police Operation last night where we saw dozens of officers entering through a second floor window of this building they arrested protesters inside, as well as dozens that were in the encampment outside the building. More than 200 and all as you mentioned, and look, i spoke with a Student Journalist on the campus who im actually going to try to grab now hes he happens to be walking by magno. You were talking to me before your grant ed student here, a Journalism Student at north excuse me, at columbia, you were covering the protests last night. You had some concerns about how the nypd handled the student media. Who was there . Talk about that. Yeah, thats right. Because i was inside right. Inside these Gates Of Amsterdam covering the arrest that took place outside the gate of properly this time protesters who are trying to block the nypd from coming in shortly after that, once the nypd moved in, i tried to go to outside Hamilton Hall where the Police Action was going to happen, but the police barricaded all of us including Student Journalists, and denied us access anywhere close to Hamilton Hall. Whats more . There were several of my colleagues and fellow Student Journalist who outside Hamilton Hall, even before the police came in unfortunately, most of these students, journalists were pushed out of campus by the officials before the Police Action really happened. So they couldnt get to bear witness to the Police Action that happened in a sensitive environment like a University Campus as a result of which the footage that we have from last night is very spares and that footage already raised some troubling questions about the nypds conduct on the campus. If we add more journalists, their Student Journalist, we would have known much better what actually unfolded in front of Hamilton Hall and based on what you were seeing last night, you think you could have kept a safe space away from the protests and still been able to witness and viewing but look, youve got footage of outside Hamilton Hall as a lawn right outside of Hamilton Hall at a short distance away, Student Journalists could have been kept there. It was a fair distance away. It wouldnt have interfered in the Police Action that took place, but it would have still allowed them to capture even from a slight distance away what was going on. But unfortunately, that one wasnt allow apart from a couple of journalists that we saw most of my colleagues and fellow Student Journalists were removed from the campus. Make no. Thank you so much really appreciate your time and sarah, as you know, as a result of that, so many of the videos, the images that were seeing, were either captured by the nypd and tweet it out or sent out by the Police Department . Men or captured by the protesters who were involved in this. Of course, both sides have interests here. So a lot of concerns there. Ive also spoken with students here who have not been involved. I spoke to a freshmen who was leaving campus a little bit earlier trying to get food for the first time in the past 12 hours because of the lockdown on campus and he was saying last its night, there was really concerned on both sides from the students who he was surrounded by some did not want to see police on the campus. They were worried about the safety of the students who are involved in that protest. Others wanted to see the protests cleared away, fearing for their the jewish students on campus and the fears those students have been feeling sara lot, of mixed emotions here on campus this morning as this a quiet day continues game thank you so much for speaking to that Student Journalist. We are also hearing from a couple of my sources, two Faculty Members that have the same sentiment. There are concerned there was no one from the media was really allowed to witness what happened last night in hamilton in hall. And we are only getting sort of short pieces of information and video from inside of that hall when police went in but we should also mention theres a lot of frustration for students who dont live on campus who cant get to their meal plan to kids whove had their time disrupted and they are in finals now. 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One of those protests briefly turn violent as police moved into clear, a student in kanban, we saw a lot of pushing and shoving. There are a few moments ago were closely monitoring that situation well bring you the latest developments as they come in. In the meantime, just last hour up on capitol hill Republican Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor greene said she will force a vote to oust the House Speaker mike johnson as soon as next week, lets go live to cnns manu raju was up on capitol hill for us. Monitor. You were there at the Press Conference. I didnt see a whole lot of members of Congress Standing around. Marjorie taylor greene. Does she think she can pull this off theres virtually no chance she can pull this off because of the decision by the democratic leaders. Hakeem jeffries announcing yesterday that they would support the effort to kill that resolution. This is much different than what happened in the fall. Of course, at that time and this was led by republicans to oust kevin mccarthy, eight republicans voted to kick him out of the speakership, but then all democrats did as well. But democrats view this situation differently. And the aftermath of mike johnson cutting some deals to keep the government open and then providing aid for ukraine 61 billion in aid to ukraine always say that theres no reason for them to kick out johnson time but its those same deals that have caused his anger among those far right republicans like Marjorie Taylor greene who says that she does plan to call for this vote next week simply to put members on the record and a one question is, was why she moving forward with this because even despite donald trump suggesting he is not in favor of this at this time hi, i put that question to her at this Press Conference just moments ago if this goes fails next week, as is expected, will you continue to try to force a vote on this issue in two former President Trump has said positive things about the speaker has said he doesnt favor a motion to vacate, arent you define the former president s wishes . Absolutely. Im the biggest supporter of trump, and thats why i proudly wear this map i fight for his agenda every single day, and thats why im fighting here again. My own republican conference to fight harder against the democrat. Mike johnson has fully funded the Department Of Justice that wants to put night, wouldnt trump in jail, giving him a depth mike johnson just put out a statement saying, quote, this motion is wrong for the Republican Congress conference, wrong for the institution and wrong for the country. We do expect when this vote happens that Republican Leaders are going to move pretty quickly to actually take this up, essentially kill it. He tried to move on past this episode and there really are no other major decisions coming down the pike that could put them in more hot water with his right flank. There is an effort to have to keep the government open, but thats not until the fall. So perhaps mike johnson could survive this threat because the democratic support and republicans, many republicans dont want to go through that messi episode that happened last fall when mccarthy he was ousted in about three weeks of no speaker that republicans are battling each other. Theyre hoping to move past this and focus on the election. January yes. She doesnt have a whole lot of support. Enter party, but she does have a red hat. All right. Manu raju up on capitol hill for us. Thank you. Were falling breaking developments as protests continue on College Campuses across the country. 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And heres how that unfolded we want to show you whats happening here. Thats a massive number of Police Officers who are now moving in with the helmets, with the bats as well . When here since about six in the morning. And i could only get in because i am a student at the big question is, what will the university do the significance here being the Strategic Response officers were seeing more arrived now and get information. The question now obviously is when do they have the green light to go in . Ive covered lots of this sort of stuff around the world and ive never seen this many Police Moving into one area. Police are now going in. They are now going in to the columbia campus. Police is on camera because the new york Police Department is on campus theyre moving protesters out of the way. There, just pushing in the protests that humans these are the officers that are going in to this building where several of the protesters broke in. They are arresting people inside and then bringing them out. If you look at these buses, you can see the number of people inside the buses. There are many of them with columbia sweaters. A lot of the wearing cafe is i see at least what you said lisa doesnt people in that boss, it must be in the dozens at this point. In here are more people who are coming out of columbia, right now. And the nypd says about 300 protesters were arrested at Columbia University and city college of new york. Columbia is asking police to keep a presence on campus through at least may 17. The police have not decided how long they will stay still to come this morning, florida is now the latest state to adopt a sixweek abortion ban ripple effect. Having across the country thats next cnn this morning with kasie hunt tomorrow at five with armor all a little bit of this protects you from a lot of that armor or less work, more clean by 20. Get five back through may 31st. 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Com today back to the Breaking News, new york mayor eric adams warning that outside agitators are creating chaos, turning peaceful protests into antisemitic demonstrations and radicalizing Student Demonstrators across the country. It comes amid nationwide which is on College Campuses, over the israelhamas war. Last hour, youre looking at the pictures just from a while ago at the University Of Wisconsin madison, one of those protests we usually turn violent as police moved in to clear a student and camping. I cant met. Well continue to bring updates throughout three hour also happening today, arizona lawmakers vote on a measure to repeal the states civil warera abortion ban if it succeeds, the states 15 week restriction will continue to be law. The states democratic governor is expected to sign the repeal. If that goes through will say on top of that, meanwhile, florida is 15 week abortion ban just dropped as six weeks as of today. Thats before many women even know that they are pregnant last year one, every three abortions in the south happened in florida. Now the state has one of the strictest Abortion Laws in the nation Vice President Kamala Harris faris will be in jacksonville later today and is set to place the blame for the restrictive abortion bans squarely on from our President Donald Trump dr. Shelley ten is a Traveling Physician who provides Abortion Care in several states across the country. Shell be introducing the Vice President when she speaks in jacksonville later today, dr. Tan. Thank you so much for joining us what is your response to this ban going into effect today in florida thank you so much for having me so it is truly a devastating day. Today for patients in florida and for the many patients that weve been carrying for from other states and before today, florida was a key access point for abortions in the south. What options do women have now in the state or womens simply going to have to dry. Were seeing a picture right there that protestor holding up a sign that says charlotte this many miles. Is that whats going to happen . Women are going to have to go way out of state to get this kind of reproductive care absolutely. Im currently abortion is heavily restricted or impossible in most of the south and south east. So from florida, if patients need to have an abortion, they will have to travel to North Carolina, which provides care until 12 weeks after that. Virginia and after that, illinois, kansas, and then were talking about the east coast and west coast of the country. So hundreds and thousands of miles that patients and families will have to travel for essential health care and whats it like for doctors like you are doctors and other Health Care Providers who work in your field basically saying there are afraid to do this kind of work anymore, provide Reproductive Services because theyre afraid they might get arrested or have their Practices Shutdown yeah. Yeah. Its um, theres its devastating and theres absolutely a chilling effect. Abortion is essential health care. Its a part of the care that i provide as a Maps Attrition and also as a maternalfetal Medicine Specialist its part of the discussions that i have with my patients and their families and physicians and Healthcare Systems when we are placed in a situation where we cannot provide the care that we are trained to provide or if that we intervene to ensure Patients Health with with concerns of that our interventions may be misconstrued as not within the very, very narrow confines of some of these Abortion Ban Exceptions there, theres truly a chilling effect. And so what we have seen that what we will continue to see is physicians and Healthcare Provider just delayed care or deny care for fear of the consequences, the legal consequences and what about your patients i mean, i have to think you hear this discussion going on about how some women dont even know theyre pregnant at six weeks and so what happens if you have a situation like that are women just told thats it. Theres just nothing you can do. And what about if there are complications . What happens then . Right . Yeah, absolutely. So thats absolutely correct many patients do not recognize that they are pregnant as as early as six weeks and many, many Health Complications both maternal Health Complications and also fetal concerns developed much later in pregnancy and so these patients are essentially placed in a position in which unless they can afford to travel, unless they can find childcare, unless they can financially afford it, unless they can find time away from work, they will be forced to travel for what is should just be basic health care and in the same setting, physicians will be devastated, frustrated. I know i felt certainly felt that. And then i cant provide the care that ive been trying to provide all right. Dr. Shelley, ten will thank you very much for your time. Best of luck to you. Please keep us posted on how things develop on your end. 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In the meantime, turning to former President Donald Trump saying, i think a lot of people like it that was his response when asked if he sees why some think has rhetoric of violates democratic principles is lengthy interview with Time Magazine Painting A Dystopian Portrait of America Illustrating and stark terms what another four years under trump would bring to the us. Its a country where the military rounds undocumented migrants to ports, millions holds the rest in detention camps. Its a country where the National Guard has sent into cities, are with crime as a country where womens pregnancies are monitored by states. And its a country where Justice Department officials who refused to prosecute trumps political enemies are fired. That country doesnt sound much like a democracy if he doesnt win, he wont rule out Political Violence saying depends on the fairness of an election. It depends, he says joining us now, former Trump White House Deputy Press Secretary sarah mathews, shes breaking with her party are voting for President Biden in november and sarah, you and i were speaking on january 6. I remember that day you resigned as a result of what happened on january 6. Whats your reaction when he says . He doesnt rule out Political Violence, saying it depends. Yeah. He says it depends on the fairness of an election, but we know with donald trump that an election is only fair if he wins. So if the outcome is like he loses, then i believe that its not even just like his ruling out or hes not ruling out Political Violence to me the way it read was it almost i would like a threat of Political Violence. If you lose it or hes holding it out there, exactly. Possibility. Exactly. And so that is really concerning because obviously we saw what happened on january 6. And to think that Something Like that could happen again in this country, obviously donald trump lost the last election. There was zero evidence of it, but he spread all these Conspiracy Theories which rise held up his supporters and led to what we saw happen on january 6. And so i think there could be a repeat of that. Yeah. I mean, could we see something worse . Do you think thats definitely a possibility that we could see something worse . Obviously, hes not the president. This go around. And so i believe that biden would have that situation under control and be prepared if that were to be the case. And he says he was two nice last time and this time it will be different saying of senior Cabinet Official who put this up on screen. I let them quit because i have a heart. This is people the administration quitting. I dont want to embarrass anybody. I dont think ill do that again from now on. Ill fire he did fire many senior officials. We saw that happened that sometimes he fired them by tweet and so on. But it sounds as though in this is talked about in the time article as well, is that he wants to people rounded want to stok the administration with sycophants, people who are just willing to do whatever he wants, whatever he says, how worrisome is that . Yeah, its extremely worrisome because i think that competency and experience are gonna be out the window in this article, he says that he wants to, but loyalists these positions of power and a litmus test to secure a job would be that you believe that the 2020 election was stolen from him and he says that and so it is concerning to think there wont be people. I believe of good Character Staffing him. This go around, youre not going to have the john kellys and mark esper, who would push back on him instead, its going to be a bunch of yes, men and women who will do and say what he pleases. And i think in the last administration, we were able to dissuade him from a lot of bad policies by saying, oh, well, this could hurt your reelection chances. If he is elected president again, that wont be a concern next time around so i think that youre not really going to be able to steer him off of some of these bad policies such as Family Separation that we saw in his first term, things like that. I believe he would go forward with because he wanted to do that during the first turn, right. I mean, a lot of people who are say ive been saying throughout this campaign that were not hearing enough about what trump might do. In a second term. Well, in this Time Magazine article, you could just go pointbypoint policies and actions that hes talking about in a new administration potentially lead and were showing this on screen right now to portion a deportation camps or migrants allowing red states to monitor womens pregnancies, fire us attorneys who dont carry out orders to prosecute someone in this article, he talks about pros going after joe biden pardons for january 6 attackers and the list goes on and on. Again. You and i talked to one another on january 6th. You remember what it was like being inside the white house that day . Can you fathom donald trump going out and pardoning all of those people who attack the capitol that day. No and he likes to say that hes on the side of law and order, but then hes so willing to part in these people that he calls them hostages in patriots. And its really just disgusting to me because we saw the violence that happened that day. I think that Political Violence on either side of the aisle is unacceptable and its really upsetting them to see him and some of his other potential Vice President ial picks, also, echoing that same language of calling these people hostages and being okay with donald trump pardoning them. And i think too, when you show that list of all of these actions bidens that he outlined because youre right. I dont think were talking enough about what his shoulder claims are. Yeah. And i think that we need the focus needs to be there. Theres been a lot of focus obviously on his past actions because of all the trials. But we need to be talking about what a second trump term looks like. This is the closest weve gotten close the pandemic preparedness office. You were there during covid and so on. Imagine and so even if people are upset with joe biden and dissatisfied with him, i cant imagine that donald trump would be need better when youre looking at these actions, he would want in a second term. 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