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This morning donald trump returned to the Campaign Trail and he had with him rhetoric that is to put it very plainly, quite dark on wednesday, the former president visited two Battleground States, michigan and wisconsin in those key states, we heard this 2024 is our final battle with you at my side, we will demolish the deep state. We will expel the warmongers from our government we will drive out the globalists. We will cast out the communists, marxists, fascists we will throw off the sec, Political Class that hate sharp country. We will rout out the fake news media. We will drain the swamp, and we will liberate our country from these tyrants and villains. Once and for all he left out the word vermin in that version, but he did say our final battle. He said liberate our country from tyrants and villains. This is of course language weve heard before as trump has demonized his opponents, democrats, judges the media. Immigrants from countries. Well, i dont really want to repeat what he said about that. Tv interview with the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel that he did on this trip. He said this about the upcoming election, quote, if everythings honest, ill gladly accept the results. I dont change on that trumps said and if its not, you have to fight for the right of the country. Scan about questions of Political Violence and of course with trump, we have to wonder, do we take them literally . Weve learned over the past years covering him to really, honestly believe him. When he says what hes gonna do. And this is a preview of the next six months of the election possibly a second trump term. Our panelists here to discuss joining us now is jonah goldberg, cofounder editor in chief of the dispatch, and molly ball, senior Political Correspondent for the wall street journal. And were also joined by jim van to hide the cofounder and ceo of axios. Jim good morning to you there have been these questions at sparked about Political Violence that we started talking about this week anyway, with this time interview, where he was asked, is there going to be violence and he basically said, well, if its a fair election, shore. And as weve learned his definition of fair seems to be the donald trump wins when you hear all of these things, were you come down on how concerned the country should be about it . Is it just talk having been at the capitol on january 6, i tend to hear Something Different than just talk how do you look at it . I mean, its not just talk. I think its been consistent from the beginning. Hes never said yes, i would just accept the Election Results if i lost and no, i would never encourage jenny kind of Political Violence. Hes been hes always given themselves this flexibility and a couple of things that people should keep in mind. One, the last two elections, last election, you move 40,000 votes and three states you have a different outcome election before they even 78,000 votes and three states, you have a different outcome when all likelihood, youre going to have a very close election determined it by few hundred thousand people in seven different states. So the likelihood that we have a very contentious outcome is very high. Well, last time we had that, you had a capital that got stormed and the trump might want a pardon, people, but people have to step back and even if youd like the guy, people died people died, half dozen people died to Police Officers killed themselves from the trauma in the aftermath of it, like thats real. So the idea always going to pardon these guys are warriors, are patriots and just kinda normal behavior. Its kind of like whats happening on campuses. Its not at all. Theres nothing normal about it. So people yes, he says things all the time. You dont know what to take seriously i would, take it seriously and theres a lot of people out there who do take it seriously. And we saw what happened last time when they did take it seriously. Yeah. Jonah goldberg mean what should we be doing to prepare for november in the event that all of this does unfold as jim is just talked about, and as trump has, has basically plainly said, yeah well, i like salt pills bottle water, purifier tablets are better. Are you prepare i agree with jim is punditry entirely in terms of how close this is going to be and all that kind of stuff. But its important just to emphasize, we didnt get the violence because the election was closed last time. We got the violence because there was this orchestrated campaign to misinformed the public that the election had been stolen. Write them is the mass of fraud effort because the election was in early november and the violence was on january 6, that was not stemming from the closest that was stemming from the campaign that said spent the last four years with him kind of reinforcing that narrative and kinda priming people to hear it again, yet know what, whats, whats amazing is. It actually hasnt been four years. Its been more like three. My colleague, David Drucker pointed out to me yesterday, when he interviewed them three years ago, he was still saying january 6 was a bad thing. Like he was still saying it was regrettable are a few bad there was some bad apples and i wish it hadnt happened now, its like it was awesome. This was like martyrs day. And i think that that is part of problem. Its a public its a deliberate campaign to get people prepped to be intimidating. And to have the threat of violence hanging over things. While we i think thats all true. I think i hope that that Law Enforcement is a deterrent here, right . I mean trump has said he would pardon some of the people arrested and convicted for their behavior on january 6. But a hundreds i think over 1,000 people have ive been prosecuted and the time since then when trump has tried to summon if not a mob, a big group of supporters to something other than a rally in his defense. They havent shown up in the same force, so i would hope that we as a country learned a lesson from what happened on january 6. Most people didnt like it most people saw what happened there as a terrible tragedy and a stain on our democracy. And so you know, there, theres been legislation not to say that everything can be solved with policy and that kind of thing. But we have i think Law Enforcement will be better prepared for any potential and shell postelection violence. And we did have a reform of the electoral count act which makes it less likely that something specifically like january 6 happens again but i absolutely trump is laying the groundwork for the same type of of saga where he does know the last thing i would say though, is that looking at the polls right now, the most likely outcome is that trump wins fair and square. And in that case, nothing. Well, yeah, fair enough. Just just as a reminder, two, were talking about january 6 and how the narrative has changed around that. This is how the president s sometimes starts. The former president sometimes starts at his rallies with this song sung by i january 6, hostages, he calls them ladies and gentlemen. Please rise for the horribly and unfairly treated. January 6 toss ditches. Do you see the spirit from the hostages and thats its what they are as hostages. Theyve been treated terribly unbelievable patriots and they were unbelievable patriots and our jim van high, i mean, youre right, this is going to be a close election. If he keeps doing this like our general election voters independence actually going to go for that and again, like please one they interest you so goofy, right . You cant help it that chuckle about it, but theres just like theres always these intellectual inconsistencies like on one hand, you cant say other patriots fan or hostages and look at those hoodlums on College Campuses are bursting at buildings in breaking glass wait, what happened on january 6 . So its like i know two people punish him for it. I dont i look at the same polls that you do. We talked to the same people. I think theres just so many people out there whove just tune all of us out and everything out and i can say filter lab and they, for some reason you look at the polls, theres just this nostalgia that out when trump was weird, but may i my taxes were low yeah, january 6 was bad, but Regulatory Environment seemed favorable to my business. And that seems to be whats keeping him a float in those seven in those seven states. And i think that is what viewers have to remember these National Polls are meaningless. Theres is basically seven states that are highly competitive, that had been narrowly determined in the last couple of elections is going to be the same thing. This time around in that is why President Bidens worry if you look at those seven states and they consistently look better for trump as mileages pointed out, and they do for biden that it was put them up. Yeah. Pennsylvania 49 biden 50. Trump, michigan, and 51 biden 49, trump wisconsin, 49, 50. I mean, that makes your point. I just there for you. And i will say the one thing in the National Poll that is potentially encouraging is the number of people that say democracy is an important issue, up to 58 are recent poll say they care about that. I just again, having been at the capitol watching the mob outside now to hear the former president s say that as he starts at these rallies, is pretty headspinning jim. Thank you. I really appreciate your time this morning coming up next here at ucla. Attempt standoff between police and protesters, be alive on the campus with a witness sometimes it takes a different approach to see the possibilities all around you thank you for coming together. Lets capella universities Game Changing flux path format, take courses on your own terms and applied his guilty you learned right away imagine your future differently compelling university did you know you could remodel your kitchen faster and less expensive than the big box stores. 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Cla nick, what are you seeing yeah. So casey, im just going to get out of the way so you can see what im seeing. So in the past few minutes, theres group of Police Officers has just it looks like theyre actually moving into the encampment as we speak, theyre moving forward. You see the Proton Esters have flashlights. Theyre shining in the Police Officers faces. They have umbrellas, protection against pepper spray or or tear gas yep. I am seeing officers pulling aside this barricade that has been put up around the encampment. They are throwing the pallets aside. They are clearly getting ready to move in. Ive been Hearing Facts from inside the encampment. Hold the line hold the line. Now, the police have given these encampment. Residents a long time to get out. Theyve said, if you stay, youre liable for arrest. You might get hurt. Theyve given them a long time, clearly, a large number of these protesters have decided to stay and they will be arrested. These Police Officers. Now you see them pushing it. Those barriers trying to get into the encampment they are going to be moving in and weve got to assume theyre going to be arresting the protesters that they find in their this in cameron has been here for a week they were told earlier today than they should get out. Theyve been given time to get at many of these protesters have not gotten out. So the police now moving in. Can you see that huge board being lifted off of the barricade . So that these officers can come in here. I believe weve got an arrest that looks like somebody has been arrested and is being taken the barricade is being torn down, screams from behind me, from the propalestinian protesters who do not like what they are seeing yep so weve got our the first tom. Did you see this person here . Yeah. Okay. Okay ive just seen a flare go up ive just seen somebody running. There. Are people running the police are tearing down that barricade. Casey. They are going to be moving in. We saw the protesters reinforcing that Barricade Today determined to stay. It has come to this now, in the early hours the morning here in los angeles, the police are moving in the police are moving in screams from behind me screams from behind me. The flashlights being shown in the eyes of those officers as they tried to move in now, the protesters, of course, their demands, they wanted divestment. The college said that was never going to happen the protests or said they were never going to leave. It was almost inevitable. It was going to come to Something Like this. But ucla for a week now has been trying to avoid a confrontation like this they have kept Law Enforcement really in the background that all changed last night, went pro israel protesters attacked the camp in a sense, the were scuffles, Physical Altercations the governor today called for a much Greater Police response. The mayor cold for a much Greater Police response. The university obviously agreed. We have seen dozens, hundreds of california Highway Patrol lapd, sheriffs officers on this on this campus today. And here they are in the early hours of the morning moving into that in common, we can season tense now shaking as those officers move in, there are dozens of tents in their dozen