From its ally, sian cnn, senior white house kevin Top White House officials are now doubling down on the president s ultimatum. We heard from them continue to hear the white house and Administration Officials warning against the Ground Invasion of rafah and theyre really channeling President Bidens view that us weapons should not be used to support a mission that in their estimation is illadvised and very, very bloody. Those concerns were conveyed earlier today in a phone call between the Us National Security adviser, jake sullivan, and his counterpart in israel. And i think this phone call is significant. Its the first time that weve seen a call like this announced between the white house and the government of israel since President Biden delivered that ultimatum and cnn that he would not provide certain Weapons Systems to israel if a Ground Invasion moves forward, the white house says, in that Call Sullivan and his counterpart discussed alternatives to a Ground Invasion of rafah. The white house says that the israeli National Security adviser did say that these concerns were being taken in into account. But at the end of the day, the concerns that the white house has about an invasion of russia, of rafah, or nothing new. The president has been raising them with rayleigh Prime MinisterBenjamin Netanyahu going back months, going back to february that has not necessarily deterred netanyahu from pressing forward. He has said the Ground Invasion of rafah is necessary to completely eliminate hamas. When you hear from american officials today, that is completely at odds with what they are saying we heard from the american Secretary Of State, antony blinken, who said that a Ground Invasion of rafah could lead to a hamas insurgency. Listen to more of what he had to say presence been clear for some time that we couldnt and would not support a Major Military operation in rafah. Now, at the same time, we share israels objective and making sure that hamas cannot govern guys anymore that itd be demilitarized, that israel get its leaders. We continue to support that, but theres a better way of achieving that. Then going headlong into, into rafah. Thats what were talking about with israel now, we have a better way of doing it. Were engaged in conversations with them about that now blinken also said, today that the us believes israel has killed more civilians in this conflict than members of hamas. He also said the us hasnt seen a plan from israel about security and governance in gaza once this war ends. So really taken all together some of the sharpest criticism that weve seen from the Biden Administration directed towards israel since the start of this conflict. And i think it really shows you that this relationship and this war are really reaching an Inflection Point. Jessica all right, kevin lip tack traveling with the president in delaware this weekend. Thanks so much for that reporting and more families in Northern Gaza are packing up and leaving following orders given by Israeli Defense forces on saturday, residents of several neighborhoods were told to leave immediately and head toward shelters west of gaza city. Idf fighter jets had been striking what they called military Target Targets across jabalya and conducting Military Operations in nearby neighborhoods. One father of three says its forces were dropping leaflets, warning, they will invade the north so about them on what is no safe place. Its been the same story, the seven or eight times weve moved there is no safe place wherever we go. Theres bombardment. There was one bargmann at the indonesian hospital and the doctors and medics were forced out i had to leave like everyone else. I dont know what to say. Is this a life death is more honorable than this humiliation last night was intense artillery f 16. There were injured in martyrs. It was a horrible night and we woke up to the same thing, smoke bones sound bombs, and f16s we are displaced multiple times. This is the tenth time. I dont know what to say. Other countries should support us and have a ceasefire. Its enough im joined now by former state Department Middle east negotiator, aaron david miller, and scene and military analysts and retired Us Army Commanding general, Lieutenant General mark hertling. Good to have both of you here. Aaron, lets start first with you based on kevins reporting from just a few moments ago, the us is continuing to warn israel against this invasion, this fullscale invasion in Rafah Predicting that such an operation would likely lead to widespread civilian casualties. They think it will spark a hamas insurgency and create a power vacuum that hamas would likely try to fill later. Do you think this administration is correct in that assessment the assessment is correct. Im not sure what were reaching Inflection Point usisrael relationship you know, just a with respect to read lines when it comes to the us is really relationship red lines have a way of turning pink. And i think the question is whether or not the netanyahu government is going to try to find a way without violating the president s own red line and or whether the administration not looking for sustainable breach with israel, they need a ceasefire between israel and hamas. Thats the only way the Biden Ministration is going to begin to get out of the strategic coldest sack that theyre now in. So they cant fundamentally break with the government. Theyre going to have to continue to cooperate. The question is how much are they prepared to accept with respect to impending, looming israeli operations, not only in eastern rafah, now, in the south, how much farther were the israelis go . And with how much intensity . In general hurtling i want to play a clip to warrants strongly there it is. Im going to play a clip from Secretary Of State antony blinken. He said he talked a little bit about the us withholding that Bomb Shipment to israel. So lets listen in at present. The only thing that weve delayed and are holding back are these high Payload Bombs because were in an ongoing conversation with israel, given the impact that those weapons can have when theyre used in densely populated areas, including, you like rafah so were in an active conversation with israel about that. We have real concerns about the way theyre used. We believe two things. One, you have to have a clear, credible plan to protect civilians, which we havent seen. Second, we also need to see a plan for what happens after this conflict in gaza open is over and we still havent seen that do you agree with them i absolutely do. Jessica, what were talking about is warfare. And anytime you have any kind of combat like that, it not only has to have a kinetic and state, what is going to happen, what are you trying to do in terms of your Military Strategy . But that has to be linked to some kind of political strategy. What does the area look like when this is all over . And that is what President Biden has been attempting to get mr. Netanyahu to do for the last six months. Tell us how this ends. What happens when the fighting stopped . I think theyve been very empathetic. Administration has been very empathetic to the israelis understanding that theyre going after a Terrorist Organization that is embedded itself underground in this area of operation. But what they havent been able to glean from the israelis is what is this going to look like after you kill all the hamas soldiers and instead, over the last several months, its taken a turn where is mr. Blinken just said it is creating more problems than its solving. Not only from the standpoint of whats going on in gaza, but israels reputation on the world stage. And of course the us reputation in terms of supplying arms to israel that may be using them in inappropriate ways. 2000 pound bomb in an area that has a lot of civilians. And a lot of infrastructure going after small terrorist targets is not the way to approach a Counterterrorism Operation and aaron, if israel does indeed move forward with this fullscale invasion what do you think that means for the dozens of hostages, including five americans that are still being held in gaza a Hostage Situation is that most urgent not an israeli, but you look at the families and you look at the abuse, particularly that the women are probably undergoing. You already have 31 hostages who probably no longer alive, maybe more their bodies taken, either killed on october 7, their body is taken to trade back to gaza. Are they died in captivity . Every day that goes by. The mental, physical condition of these hostages becomes more vulnerable the problem for the israelis, of course, and hamas understands this is that hamas is not going to trade and return all of these hodges except for a comprehensive cessation of hostilities in an end to the war. And thats why destroying hamas on one hand and redeeming the hostages hostages on the other are probably fundamentally incompatible goals general hurtling is absolutely right Military Strategy powers instrument to achieve a set of realistic and effective objectives and theres been absolutely no planning on the Israeli Sayyed what theyre likely to see ultimately is hamas as an either through intimidation or cooptation, been able to influence Palestinian National politics. Therell be no palestinian governments in gaza to speak of. A no heir of State Involvement because the israelis are very hesitant with holding about basically agreeing to a political horizon so right now, the Biden Administration isnt a box. One last point the Biden Administration is a much greater hear her even either hamas or israel is to fundamentally at that company this conflict. I think part of the problem and general hurtling, we know some republicans have been very vocal in their criticism of the vitamin is thracians moves right now, especially with, withholding those bombs, saying the us is abandoning a key ally the administration saying a line has to be drawn with these civilians in casualties and points out over and over again that the flow of those defensive weapons is absolutely going to continue how do you see that situation thats fascinating, jessica, its an interesting conundrum because many of the republicans that are saying that are the same republicans who held up aid to israel and ukraine for over seven months. And now, because theyre seeing the administration use the delivery of that aid to try and persuade the Israeli Government and not create a humanitarian disaster. It just seems counterintuitive to me that these are the same individuals who held eight against who held the delivery of aid for both ukraine in an israel over the last half a year. And just before i let you go, i did want to get your thoughts on russian president Vladimir Putins decision to refer to replace the Defense Minister with a civilian due to what the criminal and called the need for innovation. What are you, what do you think about this . Yeah, the person were talking about, the current Defense Minister, shoigu, is likely going to be replaced by a guy named andre balah saw. Hes a first deputy Prime Minister. Hes a hes his background is in economics and not defense and its likely a reflection of putins trust in him and the need for a better internal management within the Ministry Of Defense additionally, shoigu its been the Minister Of Defense for the last 12 years. I think the biggest its a normal shakeup within the ministry of russia. And for anyone who watches russia, they know this happened ends all the time. But whats going to be interesting is what generals are then going to fall that used to be Shoigu Associates and im speaking specifically of the chief of the Russian Forces and thats general gerasimov. Hes likely to be gone too soon. So it is certainly a shakeup. They have not been very successful in this war and put its putins way of saying, we have to make some changes in the running of the department and the management of the Ministry Of Defense. Its also probably tied to whats going on truthfully in georgia as well, russia is now trying to get a little bit more trigger happy lets call it that in terms of supporting the opposition to the government in georgia. So youre seeing russia being stretched in many Different Directions and they knew they need different management all right. Mark hertling, aaron, david miller or thanks to both of you . Pleasure. 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