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CNN Fareed Zakaria GPS September 9, 2024

This is gps, the global public square. Welcome to all of you in the united states and Around The World. Im Fareed Zakaria coming to you from new York Today on the program as the Death Toll in Gaza Tops 40,000 israel continues to reel from the Murder Joseph six hostages both sides grow ever more weary of War A Peace Plan has just been put out by a former Prime Minister israel, and a former Foreign Minister of the Palestinian Authority good, it worked with those with the power to agree to a ceasefire . Even entertainment. Ill talk to the men behind the proposal. Ehud Olmert And Nasser alkidwa last Dana Bash on the moon it was violent election in American History and youve all Noah Harari on the danger a. I. Poses to democracy but first heres my take the great german Statesman Otto one bismarck is reputed to have one said that god has a special providence for fools, drunkards, and the united states of america he might never actually said that, but it captures the sense that many Around The World have at americas continued doing ability to surprise on the upside in the words of a Businessman Friend of mine. But it remains unclear as to whether the incumbent party, the democrats, will be able to benefit from this good fortune the latest evidence for its special providence is that the united states appears to be doing the near impossible, getting inflation down far and fast without triggering a deep recession the former federal Reserve Vice Chairman Alan Blinder points out that using strict definitions, the united states has been able to achieve such a soft landing only once before in the past 60 years in recent remarks, jerome powell, the chairman of the fed, has all but declared victory and he deserves considerable praise for getting the balance of policy about right through some very treacherous times. The u. S economy currently has low inflation, low unemployment, a boom in manufacturing, and dominance and technologies of the future like a. I. And Gene Editing even rising inequality, which has soared for decades, has recently abated and yet these factors are not giving the incumbent democrat see Advantage One might have expected in most polls, Donald Trump continues to lead Kamala Harris on the question of who would better handle the economy . Though by less than he led Joe Biden more broadly, the race remains virtually tied while harris has improved on bidens disastrous standing, her standing in the race, both nationally and in Swing States lags behind where Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden stood at this point in their races against trump when you consider that trump could do better than he is in current polling, which happened do to Polling Errors in both 2016 and 2020 the race remains a tossup in The End, as ive pointed out, this election will not be fought over economics the most recent reminder of the political mood in the western world comes from germany for many years. Even as rightwing populism surged elsewhere, it did not take hold in germany until the last year or so, the small rightwing populist party, the alternative for germany, remained marginalized but it now it looks like the small, not likely to be marginalized for much longer it, won one recent german State Election a first for a farright parties since the Nazi Era came a very close second in another state. And as vying for the top spot in a third state, it looks poised to become germanys second political party after the center right cdu as with many rightwing populist parties, the afd is rise can be largely credited to the politics of immigration the story is a familiar one. As long as mainstream Political Parties turn a blind eye to the seismic shifts taking place relating to immigration. They are in danger of being outflanked by the popular strike in the netherlands. Builders has also gone from being an Extremist Firebrand with whom few would ally to the leading political Player And Kingmaker in the recent dutch elections there are strategies to blunt the populist rights appeal. In denmark, the centrist parties have adopted a very tough line on immigration and assimilation. Tough enough to be criticized by many mainstream politicians. But the result has been that populism, which flared up in past elections seems at bay in that country. And poland, the centerright party of Donald Tusk for this election, not on immigration, but over the future of democracy in poland and its membership in the european union, both popular positions in that country in the united states immigration remains a core concern. And Wall Street Journal polls, it was either close to the top or at the very top of voters concerns, both nationally and in Swing States. Kamala harris has been able to effectively blunt some of trumps appeal on this issue by pointing out that he squashed a tough border protection bill, mostly written by republicans. But she may need to do more many commentators believe that the Trump Phenomenon is a fluke fueled by his celebrity and almost cultlike following some of that is true, but rightwing Populism Isnt going anywhere fueled as it is by deep backlash against the economic, political, and cultural openness of the past few decades and the urban elites, it spawned. Look at your, look even at countries like turkey and india, where leaders have allied themselves with those opposed to liberal cosmopolitan elites look at the republican party which now has no home for people like george w bush, mitt romney, liz cheney, paul ryan, and even mitch mcconnell, leaders who wants define the Party Trump could win. But even if he loses his movement and rightwing populism are here to stay go to cnn. Com Slash Fareed for link to my Washington Post Column this week and lets get started. This week. A senior u. S. Official said negotiators, when 90 of the way to a deal between israel and hamas included in that agreement are plans for a ceasefire and for hamas to release the hostages. It holds but perhaps thats senior official was surprised when in an interview on Fox News Thursday Morning Benjamin Netanyahu said unequivocally, theres not a deal in the making. Unfortunately, it is not close so if not that deal, then what . My next guest top former officials from Israel And Gaza have a plan, a new plan, a Who Omer was the 12th Prime Minister of israel. And Nasser Alkidwa was the Foreign Minister of the Palestinian Authority. I want to welcome both of you. And did notice is a very but rare moment to have two of you on the same platform. I dont believe youve had a prominent is rarely in a prominent palestinian for a long time. But let me begin by asking you tell us what youre what is your impression . Of what is going on in israel right now there are these protests. Theres great sadness obviously about the brutal murder of the six hostages. What is the political consequences . Are we at some kind of a potential Inflection Point . I believe that we are close to a turning point. We have to make a deal and i completely trust the announcement by the White House that they have an idea for a deal which can work if the israeli Prime Minister will agree to do it. He doesnt want to do it, not because of any reasonable reason regarding the security of the national interest of the state of israel. But rather because it doesnt fit in with his own personal considerations and political interests. And this is quite obvious to everyone in israel. And his former partners to the coalition. Generous the former chiefs of Staff Gantz and eisenkot, who knows something about military in something about the Philadelphi Corridor are saying that this is nonsense this is not an excuse. This is not a reason he simply doesnt want to end the war. The only way to reach an agreement at The End of the day is to end the war between us and the palestinians in gaza and to embark on a new different direction that dr. Nasser alkidwa and myself thought about and talked about and wrote about Nasser Alkidwa when i look at this plan, it feels to me like you are coming back to something that has been proposed again and again and it hasnt worked for whatever reason why well why well a two State Solution proposed this time work when it didnt, didnt do thousand when it didnt win who proposed it to Abu Mazen so why is this plan different from the other plans i think we need to be clear about what we have enhanced. This is not a plan, not a comprehensive plan, but this is very important. Mutual proposal on the most important three issues in hand. Namely the situation. Does the war in Gaza And Need for immediate cessation and the political solution in the form of the two states as well as the future of jerusalem. Now, to answer your questions why it might work this time while it did not work in the past, the answer might be simple because of the war, because i believe that the people on both sides have become tired of the War And they want to see an end of the War And a substitute to the war so what is the substitute . The substitute is what we said in our mutual proposal in terms of ending the War And the meaning of the ceasefire, the release of all hostages, the release of the agreed number of prestige and he had a prisoners the full withdrawal of the israeli troops, the stablished meant of a governmental body in the form of a transitional council of commissioners in gaza that is organically linked to the Palestinian Authority. We dont want to create any different entities in the west bank. On the contrary, we want to maintain the territorial integrity and the unity of the palestinian people. You know, there is an alternative to wara different way. That we dont need to go the same path of killing, of of maiming people of bloodbath that we see in gaza. We have to end that. And the alternative is definitely the road of debate. The road of reconciliation, the road of a political solution. And yes, two sets, Israel And Palestine based On Mutual Recognition on the basis of 1967, borders with, by the way, the territorial solution that was proposed by primaries olmert, the 4. 4 of the territory that is to be exchanged in this swap between the two states. When i look at israel now, it feels to me thats the political support for for a twoState Solution which is at the heart of your proposal just has evaporated it was there in 2000 maybe it was there when you are proposing it, but today, i mean, if you look at any indication that the left of the israeli political spectrum essentially has vanished. Me labor is down to three so seats. If you look at what the knesset dead when they passed a resolution that said there will be no twoState Solution that was that was voted for by many more members than bibi netanyahus coalition, a very two thumping majority of the knesset voted for only eight people voted against so at this moment, it feels like israel is just not going to go for a twoState Solution for this is precisely the reason why we have to put it right now on the agenda. Its time to change the direction we are going to defeat hamas. We already defeated hamas maybe will kill few more, and they will not be any hamas left. What then . There are 6 Million palestinians. I commend dr. Alkidwa for his courage to understand that this is not the time for avenging each other. This is the time for moving away from the bleeding of this terrible confrontation that we had into a direction that may offer a new horizon. And that we are trying to do. Its highly unpopular, maybe now amongst them and amongst us when it will become popular, it will be very easy. Its now difficult, therefore, its the time now to strength forward without any fear. And to understand that we are fulfilling a mission that will change the Middle East and maybe it will change The World next on gps. And in this scenario what does one do about hamas . Ill ask Nasser Alkidwa and who no. When we come back a cnn special event, the abc News President ial debate, tuesday at 9 00 a. M. If you know, luxury its not just a word when its reporting sad for mattresses supports all types of sleepers. With durable steel coils and play organic Gun Luxury u. S. 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What do you do about hamas can it, can it have a role given this political legitimacy that it has among a large segment of the palestinian people, with regard to hamas, lets start by presenting an alternative. An alternative for better future, for better life for the palestinian people and their kids and their children, for better education, for better economic situation, for better opportunities, et cetera, et cetera. So its not a matter of being tested. The palestinian people being tested every few weeks or they should cooperate and certain way, no, but its a matter of providing them with better options. So lets start from here. Secondly, i think that in any way the result of this war will be clear i said repeatedly that this war would lead to a new israeli government, to a new palestinian leadership and to a new hamas. And i still say that i dont, i dont hesitate and saying that. And we need to have different kind of situation in gaza. Now, what we propose here is to have a governmental Body Composite of commissioners transitional body of gaza commissioners with some kind of organic linkage between that counsel and the Palestinian Authority to ensure the territorial integrity and the unity of the people and of the land. But that body should be formed a light of consultation with every factions without direct participation of any factions because this is not, this should not be a place for political representation. There should be a place of good people that are able to do the job. They are trusted by their population and they trusted by the international community, by the donors community. And they can, or they have the abilities to fulfill the job and to really start rebuilding gaza, which

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