Who loves Cheese Sandwiches believer, Jake Tapper starts right now could, tomorrow, Nights Debate prove even more consequential than the last one. Probably not. The lead starts right now Kamala Harris and Donald Trump preparing pairing for tomorrows Highstakes Debate and very different ways, Vice President harris calling on two people who have debated trump in the past while trump himself is getting ready for a public quick appearance tonight, was yet another investigation of the tragic u. S. Withdrawal from afghanistan. Is it a coincidence that the Committee Report is coming out right before the debates, both in top republican and the top democrat on the relevant committee will be here with two very different takes and alarming new details tell us about the tragic shooting at that georgia high school. I had the suspected shooter is cryptic text to his mother and her urgent call to the school before the horn unfolded welcome to the lead. Im Jake Tapper and happy president ial debates even to those who celebrate, consider that just 74 days ago. Dana bash and i hosted that first president ial debate of 2024, that went so horribly wrong for incumbent president Joe Biden so wrong and cause democrats to do what is unprecedented in the modern age . They made the call to the proverbial bullpen. Vice president Kamala Harris emerged as the brand new nominee. Now, tomorrow night, she will be The One taking the stage for the second debate. It will be the first ever face to face meeting between harris and former President Donald Trump has a Cnn Poll of polls shows and agonizingly tight race with no who clear Leader Trump Campaign for its part is previewing some lines of attack for the debate today, saying that the Vice President , Quote Owns Everything from this administration unquote and moments from now, Harris Will Leave Pittsburgh where she has been in Debate Prep Mode since thursday. She is on route to philadelphia now ahead of the showdown, there the national Constitution Center Today two sources tell cnn that the Harris Debate Team has been preparing harris for a range of potential insults and namecalling and derogatory comments from trump in a Radio Interview with the Vice President released this morning gives some insight into her thinking hes played through this really old and tired playbook, right . Where he, theres no floor for him in terms of how low he will go and we should be prepared for that. We should be prepared for the fact that he is not burdened by telling the truth cnns Jeff Zeleny is in clearly ahead of Tomorrows Debate. Jeff, were learning that Vice President harris is Debate Prep included speaking to to other people who have faced Donald Trump on the Debate Stage before jake, as we know, Donald Trump is heading into his seventh Debate Tomorrow. Thats more than any other nominee. Of course, the two candidates hes debated in a general election for Hillary Clinton back in 2016, and Joe Biden in 2020. And of course, in june, as you said, and Vice President harris has spent some time talking with both of those fellow democrats. Im told talking about what its like to be on stage with Donald Trump. The reality is, she has never had a Facetoface Encounter with him. One of the reasons for that he didnt not attend the inauguration back in 2020 when she was being Sworn In as Vice President. But im told even though shes been speaking with clinton and biden, shes approaching this in her own way. This is not a redo of 2016. Im told that advisers are preparing her in a very different way. One specific example is not going after Donald Trump. Specific plea on any misogynistic comments were racist comments. Weve seen throughout the course of her very brief campaign. Is that as the president ial nominee that shes been saying that as a tire but old playbook, she wants to move on. That is part of the effort to be seen as the candidate of change. Of course that is the central challenge for her because she just a part of this administration, the biden harris administration, that im told by trump advisers is a top goal of his to essentially lumper into the challenges of the the biden harris administration. We will hear that a lot tomorrow evening. I believe talking about inflation, talking about immigration. But jake, even though this is a global audience, perhaps thats one of the most important audiences is right here in pennsylvania, we spent some time in Bucks County is, you know, just outside philadelphia a pivotal Swing County talking to voters some are inclined to support her if they learn more about her. So theres definitely an opportunity for her to fill in some of those blanks about her policies lets sea. But there is no question shes arriving here in philadelphia in about an hour or so. Shell be studying and practicing again tonight. Jake is the biggest moment her political life all right. Jeff zeleny in philly. Thanks so much its been in the panel and me she let me say its not overblown to say this is the biggest moment of her political life its an incredibly consequential one, and theres still so much that people dont know about her voters dont know 28 of likely voters the New York Times Sienna College Poll say they feel like they need to learn more about her that campaign today. Said the debates a chance to introduce her to undecided voters. What does she need to do . Well, its No Doubt that Kamala Harris has a much steeper feeling to cleaner than Donald Trump has to anything that she has a couple of things. She has to narrate her story he has to help people to understand who she is outside of the shadow of being a part of the administration she also has to be that person who is willing to go on Record And Challenge Donald Trump, where he needs to be challenged. We know that he has faced some scrutiny around his idea of, of tariffs. And that somehow being able to bring that the Tax Funding that america needs to get a lot of things think forward like childcare. We know that thats not going to work. She has to call him out on January 6. He has to be able to prosecute the case, so to speak. But she also has to narrate herself and i think that and having to do both of those and an delineate herself from some of the negative commentary that hes made about her irrespective to Race And Gender because he said other things as well. Shes shes in the spotlight this this is going to be heard night and she has a lot more of a Steep Hill to climb than Donald Trump does. Mark the Harris Campaign reluctantly agreed to the previously arranged Debate Rules of the microphones being muted when its not your turn to speak a new Trump War Room post claims at handlers for Kamala Harris, quote, have been downplaying expectations amid reports shes terrified after her lastminute attempt, a lastminute attempts to change the rules failed, but it does seem kind of unwise to me. Like, why are they setting expectations for her low shouldnt they be building her up . Well, i know she wants that viral moment that im speaking moment that she had over and over and over again with then Vice President pence, which shes not im going to get, you know shes a very competent debater and she is and she is very and she is very, and she is as a prosecutor, obviously as a member of the senate on the committees. I mean, she gave it to some of the nominees. So youve got to be ready. The problem is she doesnt have the policy chops to a Defense Tendon Pivot away from her record with Joe Biden and explain to people why even though she broke it, shes The One that should fix it. Okay. So alex, the Harris Campaign is going to run a new ad only tomorrow, only on fox. It features clips of former trump officials, including Vice President pence, warning of the Dangers Of A Second Trump presidency. A couple of the clips in this ad, by the way, were taken from the lead. Heres heres a Look Anyone who puts themselves over the constitution should never be president of the united states. It should come as no surprise that i will not be endorsing Donald Trump this year. His Defense Secretary, do you think trump can be trusted with the nations secrets ever again . No. I mean, its just irresponsible action that places our Service Members at risk, places our nation can Security Risks is national security adviser, Donald Trump will cause a lot of damage. The only thing he cares about is Donald Trump and the nations highest ranking miller well, its very officer. We dont take an oath to a king or queen, or to a tyrant, or a dictator. And we dont take an oath to a wannabe dictator do, you think Fox Viewers will be swayed by that . Well, the fact is theyre only hoping just way one particular Fox Viewer by playing it and mar lago the day of the debate. This is some debate gay debate day, gamesmanship here by the Harris Campaign and because theyre not showing this in swing states, at least not right now. Its not meant to persuade voters what its meant to do is try to get into Donald Trumps head because camillas harriss campaign, they want the Donald Trump of the 2020 debates, the and especially that first debate where he appeared at times unhinged, angry, a loose cannon. They want to make him, dangerous, a risky bet, and they think New York Times poll showed that some voters really thought that trump was the risks of your choice even though they actually wanted him for any before him on the issue of change, you were talking about how Kamala Harris needs to fill in some of the blanks. She tried to do that last night. Her website put up some policies for the first time. The border Immigration Section says in part, quote, she knows that our Immigration System is broken and needs comprehensive reform that includes strong Border Security and an earned pathway to citizenship. Our Friend Alex here posted on twitter that this section was vague beyond the bipartisan border bill. Shes committed to back. Do you think she needs to offer more and more substance there no. I think that she offered what could be offered at this point. We know that the bipartisan bill ended up dying at the behest of Donald Trump giving a call to members of the house republican caucus. But i think that what weve seen from this administration that Kamala Harris still happen to be a part of is one that was willing to work with republicans to establish not only stronger Security Restrictions at the border, but also to acknowledge that there has to be humanitarian a humanitarian approach to this irrespective to what we saw from the governor of texas and several others. But with that being said, we recognize that the poll, the polling nationally as to whats happening at our southern border, as well as to the cities where many of these individuals were sent to you were talking chicago, New York, so on and so forth . Those individuals were very upset and i think that there is a leaning in from the democratic party as well as from Kamala Harris on what can also be done in those cities that have that have experienced housing issues and other issues related to migrants who are not a part of Border Towns who were sent there. Shes leaning in on that conversation, but she also recognizes that congress plays a major role here. She tried to work with them. The biden administration tried to work with them. Republicans need to step up as well. What advice would you give Donald Trump because you know, its there is a gender dynamic, man, woman, and a Man Yelling at a woman is different than a Man Yelling at a man. And the perception of any voters, do you think that he should, he should dial it down a little or you know, Katy Bar the door, do whatever you want to do. Well, i think the format also encourages are discourages that kind of, that kind of intercourse because youre not, youre not going to be youre not asking questions to Each Other. Youre not being able to interrupt and break in on Each Other. And so i think he just needs to keep reminding people about her policies, including the new policy which i will translate all project 2025. It that was amnesty. So he she just called for amnesty the pathway to sit as have halfway to citizenship. Theres thats amnesty so i mean, dhaka was technically supposed to help to attribute to that as well. This is not for individuals who are here trying to make it you keep going on the policy, you keep focusing on the results. He has the advantage that people remember things were more affordable. The border was more secure when he was in Everyone Stick around. We got a lot more with this panel Coming Up, but first this reminder, Tomorrows Debate will be a Special Event here On Cnn, complete with exclusive analysis and it all starts tomorrow with the lead. Were going to be live from philly and were going to continue well into the night. Look for strong exchanges in the debate on foreign policy, specifically on the u. S. Withdrawal from afghanistan. A new report is just out competing narratives being made from House Democrats and house republicans Coming Up next, im going to talk to the chairman of the house foreign Relations Committee behind the investigation and then the top democrat on the committee will be here to respond to interviews youre only see on the lead plus another big interview tomorrow. House speaker Mike Johnson Thats Tomorrow here on the lead live from philly. Well be right back. A cnn Special Event the abc News President ial debate. Tomorrow at nine On Cnn its a good day to start something new to brush away gray in five easy minutes to put yourself out there and always put your best face forward. Just for men, mustache and beard, you are not crazy. 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And today, republicans and democrats are still fighting over what went so horribly wrong in who is to blame on sunday that house foreign Affairs Committee chaired by texas republican Mike Mccaul issued a scathing new report. And this time it has Vice President harriss name all over it. I notable addition to this Yearslong Effort by the committee that had focused previously more on President Biden and other top white House State Department officials. The 353 Page Report titled willful blindness as quote, the Bidenharris Administration prioritize the optics of the withdrawal over the security of u. S us personnel on the ground, unquote. And response the ranking democrat on the committee, Congressman Gregory meeks, who were going to talk to an a second he published a Memorandum Saying that the attempts to Pin Blame solely on the Bidenharris Administration, quote, lack intellectually intellectual rigor and do not comport with the facts glean from witness testimony unquote. Remember this report comes a year after the u. S. State Department Official after action review, which found both the Trump And Biden administrations decisions to pull all u. S. Troops from afghanistan had detrimental consequences. The chairman of the committee, congressman Mike Mccaul of texas joins us now. Thanks so much for being here for our viewers. You have about getting over a little cold in your throat there, right . In your 2022, 115 page interim report, The One before you only mentioned Kamala Harris twice. This latest report mentions her 280 times. Critics are saying this is an example of you trying to politicize the exodus and what went wrong because shes now the democratic nominee. What we have more evidence, facts and evidence. Here are the factors, you know, for two years. The first here, the democrats did nothing on this investigation for two years. My goal as a former federal prosecutor was to have integrity in the process and not jump to conclusions at all and cword took us, right . So we had interview after interview, but we had to have subpoenas motions of contempt to get the sitting Cable Channel from the embassy. All the facts coming in if you read the report, jake, its very professional. This is not a political Hatchet Job we want to get to the truth because Number One, we want to make sure this never happens again. Let me just ask you a question do you think i want to just like take out this is something that im curious about. Taking out the Trump And Biden decisions and how it went down do you think that the u. S it would be better if we still had troops in afghanistan you do i think that was the advice in our report of chairman of joint chiefs of staff, Milley General Mckenzie Centcom commander, nor i see myself. But 2,500 is a Light Footprint to stabilize afghanistan 6,500 nato Air Cover. Very important contractors, it all stabilized afghanistan when President Biden came in office, it was a go to zero approach. In other words, were going to withdraw the military in the contractors. And most importantly, the air support. The afghan military didnt have a chance after that. And the problem i saw competing between state and the White House and the dod was that the dod had a grim assessment and i saw time state and the White House that a rosy that everythings going fine. But it wasnt the State Department by federal law, is required to come up with an Evacuation Plan they failed to do so. And thats why we failed that day in fact, the plan was not even initiated until the taliban overran kabul. So your new report claims that a quote vast amount of information that could have provided answers regarding the abbeygate attack was deleted or destroyed in the wake of the bombing, including the Destruction Or Deletion of photos, videos, and more. Pentagon spokes. And major general Pat Ryder was asked about this today and he said he wasnt aware of, quote any intentional destruction but do you think it was intentional and how i dont you know, centcom because of my Investigation Sitcom reopened a review after tyler vargas andrews, a sniper, said i had the Suicide Bomber and my sides and he was not given permission to engage all we wanted were give us a videos, give us a photos the problem is that they destroyed almost all videos and the documents. I dont know. Im not going to say it was intentional. The fact is we just dont have the evidence. The best evidence we have nor the marines on the ground who have testified that they saw the taliban shooting americans. One of the soldiers said i was shot by a gunshot by the taliban. Why is that important . Because that would implicate the taliban is working in concert . With i. S. I. S. K. Now remember i. S. I. S k. This for people dont remember i. S. I. S. K. Is the group that carried out the Suicide Bombing. Thats right. The narrative is always that they fight Each Other. But with the americans, there they you know, they and, the bomber came out of bagram by the way, Jake Thousands of i. S. I. S. Prisoners escaped out of bagram that are threat to the united states today. So the national Security Council Spokesman john kirby, was asked about the report. He said it didnt contain anything new, and he added this Trump Administration cut a deal, call the Doha Agreement that mandated a complete u. S. Withdrawal from afghanistan. And yes, that included Bagram Air base, President Biden for his part face a stark choice when he came to office, abide by the Florida Agreement and end americas longest war or blow up the deal, extend the war if that is true why not fall . Trump along with biden . So the Doha Audrii was interesting. Zarqawis odd is architect. He does not bring the afghan government and that was a mistake in my judgment the Doha Agreement had conditions one, tell ban if tell vance hitting u. S. Forces harboring alqaeda like they did zawahiri, the number two to been one, that would be in Violation Wt happened searching Mike Pompeo went to President Trump and said, what theyre still in violation we have to keep the 2,500 President Trump made the decision to keep 2,500 troops and 6,500 nato and Air Cover on day one, President Biden came into office. And i think made the political decision that he was going to go to zero dont take my word for his spokesperson said the Doha Agreement is immaterial to this evacuation alright. Chairman Mike Mccaul, its good to see you, sir. Thanks so much. And the top democrat on the house foreign Affairs Committee is also here. Were going to talk to him and get his reaction right after this everything. You is right. Tear Family And Fantasy there is a lot of dragons this is the greatest team ever. 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Its almost laughable. Do you think its a coincidence the day before the debate that this announcement came out with all of a sudden its concluded. Do you think its not political win previously, almost 3,000 pages of testimony. And Camila Houses was mentioned three times and now all of a sudden hes trying to include it. The erin. Do you think that its just a coincidence that he is just now saying that all of the items of which they put together when in fact, when you listen to the testimony of which they pat i have to demand for it to be the Joe Biden look at the whole thing because look at the whole thing because its all interconnected, right . If this is not a political game, thats what you would do if its a political game, you would not parade the the goldstar families whose hearts are lost before every hearing and to try to make it a political game, but they want to talk about it. Theyre the Gold Star families feel ignored by the biden administration. And i understand that, but im saying at the hearings and if you listen to the question that they were pointed out i heard that, you know, that it were said and said many times over to them that the sniper had the bomber in his sights. That has been completely debunked fact that the matter is even mr. Mccall had the say that that was the bunk its just not true. So if you look at their report, even its entirety, not the snippets that will pull it out. Look at it. You will see that it is not what he said. Theres nothing new here. Spent another year or so to work it out. So it was timing for the elections and has there been anything new that we dont know already . Well, let me everything has been said. Let me ask you a question about the Gold Star families who lost 13 of them lost their Loved Ones. Many of them spoke and were at the republican national committee and in july in milwaukee. Heres a little clip of that while Joe Munster with us, Joe Biden the men and women, that certain afghanistan a debt of gratitude and an apology, almost on this stage recognized the efforts of mr. Trump. We know this firsthand. Weve experienced it whenever weve met with him, he has demonstrated compassion. There is a congressional Gold Medal Ceremony for these goldstar families tomorrow, biden is back in dc. I dont i confess. I never really understand why a president or a Secretary Of State or Defense Secretary Wouldnt Meet with goldstar families. It does seem like that is the very least somebody can do. They had that one meeting and it didnt go very well. Do you think President Biden should go to the Ceremony Tomorrow like that, then up to the president. But in my Heart And Soul goes out to those goldstar families as it goes out to the over 2,400 soldiers that lost their life in afghanistan. Yeah anytime you look at war, were coming on the anniversary of 911 and i look at the heroes that Fire Department that went into those buildings knowing they were going to come out those individuals are heroes and their families will suffer for the rest of their lives. All 2,400 plus. And so i intend on being there and that regards i think that President Biden, unlike Donald Trump who has ridiculed people in the military, weighing the metals, who get one without civilian metal higher than that a medal. Gold battles sadder than the medal of honor. Terrible things about John Mccain and other soldiers is better to be alive and to be dead. So to say to me, now that The One who we know has had the sympathies who understands because of his own Son And Family members who have been in the military have served not got up like Donald Trump did, to talk to say, then that Donald Trump understands and kaye has more about military families from what he said as opposed to Joe Biden thats just laughable on the fake something row, the goldstar families these 13 think that its not laughable, but i understand what youre saying. Or a ranking democrat meeks, thanks so much for being here appreciate it. And im sure the families will appreciate your being at the event. Absolutely. Tomorrow. Some new video coming in just now. Thats Vice President Kamala Harris boarding a plane in pittsburgh. Shes now had to defend philly for Tomorrows Debate. Its about a 45minute flight. Cnn also will be there in philly, but first an urgent manhunt in kentucky for the man police say shot five people. The suspected gunman was a military Combat Engineer. 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Army reserve as a Combat Engineer and official tells the Associated Press at Saturdays Attack appears to be a random act of violence i want to bring in cnn, chief Law Enforcement and Intelligence Analyst John Miller and john, its been days now theoretically i guess this guy could be anywhere where he could be. Now, Law Enforcement authorities down there in kentucky say that they have good reason to believe that he is contained within their perimeter in that wooded area. The challenge there, of course, as youll remember, this, we saw this when the escapee from the jail in pennsylvania went Into The Woods and slip their perimeter a couple of times. It is hard to maintain a perimeter over terrain like this, where you cant see into far and even from above with a helicopter, even with sensors, that canopy of trees makes it really difficult to be able to tell whats moving around in there, even with thermal imaging, sometimes you see something that might be your suspect and you find out its a deer and its hard to cover ground in there because youre doing it mostly on foot given the terrain, how unusual is this kind of crime . So it should be unusual, but its not really, i mean last week we had the 710 Freeway Shooter in california before that, we had the seattle Freeway Shooter outside seattle on the highway there in washington state. We all remember the dc sniper, but then we had the ohio Freeway Freeways neighbors. And you know, when you talk to the fbi, behavioral analysis, people and you say, well, who or what is the sniper . They say, this is different from the person who will walk in and shoot all of their colleagues and an office or the Serial Killer who will approach people and shoot them up close on a dark street at night this is someone who likes to operate from a long distance. Its a very impersonal way to kill other people, but it gives the sniper a godlike feeling of saying, im in control. These people have no idea what happens and i get to pick who lives and who dies and make that decision right now. What we dont know is what the stressor was that broke him. Whats going on in his life that could have contributed to this or what his End Game is, whether he got away from those woods or hes waiting inside to be confronted by Law Enforcement. Whats hope this End Game is soon. John miller, thanks so much. Appreciate it. Also internationally, the latest developments in that georgia high School Shooting that took the lives of two students and two teachers last week, cnns Isabel Rosalas has led on this coverage for days and now has new reporting on the disturbing details of everyone says who they trying to prevent this tragedy . New disturbing details are emerging about the shooting at Apalachee High School last week for the first time, were seeing the text messages, Colt Grays mother, Marcee Gray, wrote to Family Members after the shooting. I was The One who notified the school counselor. She wrote i told them it was an extreme emergency and for them to go and immediately find called to check on him. According to a Phone Log also obtained by cnn Marcee Gray urgently reached out to apalachee high multiple times the morning of the shooting. One call lasted ten minutes and came in a full halfhour before the shooting i dont understand what took them so long because the first shots were fired until 1030 Marcee Gray texted. Gray told the Washington Post and a Family Member confirmed to cnn that her Son Center and alarming tax the morning of the shooting and read only im sorry, mom students inside the alleged Shooters Classroom confirm to cnn that an administrator came looking for the 14yearold But Ms took him for another student with a similar name. But my friend, he was in the bathroom as well and eventually they realized they take my Friends Bag and soon he comes back in with his bag and he was like, i dont know why they had me like, i know whats happening 30 minutes later at 10 20 a. M. Law enforcement received reports of shots fired in a panic. Rebecca, see a wrath racial to school after her daughter, laila cold various i believe it all could have been prevented now, knowing that the Suspects Mother had called the school that morning. So youre wrath is even more angry, knowing now that it was heard that had called and the fact that they had been telling the school for an entire week at least beforehand that he was homicidal and suicide vital and had access to guns just should have been in Places Hand from the moment they got that call that morning, the older sister of christian angulo, one of the four victims, tells cnn their family believes this was 100 preventable, saying in part they knew of the situation beforehand and didnt take the proper action to prevent this tragedy from happening. But Barrow County Schools Superintendent Dr. Dallas leduff, praise the district for their actions in a Video Statement released Sunday Night saying, our teachers and administrative staff did not flinch, did not pause and sprung into action to protect our children and Each Other jake, these emerging details are raising very real questions about the efforts of Law Enforcement and the school to prevent this attack. We have reached out to the school well district with plenty of questions, including the nature of that call from Marcee Gray, that ten Minute Conversation that she had with the school. What did she tell them exactly . And also a question that parents had here. Why was it apparently school administrators looking for Colt Gray instead of School Resource officers . Again, were asking those questions well get those answers. All right. Isabel rosales. Thank you so much. Donald trump once said that he has the absolute right to pardon himself, but can he do that . 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Very exciting. So let me ask you, trump has not been convicted on the federal charges. He has been on the new York Charges but the Election Subversion cases, at least moving forward. We should see some evidence at the very least before the election. Can he still pardon himself for that . Well, its always a question if he pardons himself or had pardoned himself, whats the consequence . And i think in this moment there really isnt any accountability for pardon so in theory, he could still have something in his top drawer. Margo maralago might have already written it. Thats conceivable. I mean, he dangled it when he was president or if he takes office, he could pardon himself, but, you know, with this Supreme Court, very pro trump. And the Immunity Decision allowing president s to commit crimes using official power he might not even need a power, pardon, its sort of a green light for criminal conspiracy in the oval office. President bidens son, hunter biden. He just pleaded guilty in that federal Tax Evasion Case back in june, he was found guilty in that Federal Guns Case President Biden before he said he wasnt going to run for reelection, said he would not pardon his son and the White House has said that he also would not commute his sons sentencing. I personally find it impossible to believe that thats that hed that he wont do that for his son. What do you think . Yeah. Pardons recently, its all in the last flurry that the final days of office, Donald Trump, it was 60 of his pardon at the very end and you know, those are those cases our if youd care, apply the doj guidelines. I mean, his his Drug Addiction is brothers death. The fact that he paid back all the taxes that he was owed arguably, these are not charges that would bet been brought, but for him being the president s son, he can make a case maybe for a pardon that would be different than say, when Bill Clinton pardoned him his brother, step brother, or when Donald Trump pardon jared Kushners Dad yeah let me talk about Trump Pardoning the January 6 defendants because mr. Trump has certainly talked about it take a listen. My rioters who assaulted officers, you have to ask you part whats going to happen. Oh, absolutely. I would if theyre innocent, i would pardon them. I dont even know what that means if theyre innocent, these are people who have been adjudicated and are in prison. What do you make of the fact that he keeps talking about this . I think its theres a server that was done the summer on the pardon. And a majority of americans, including republicans, didnt want to see pardons for the January 6 insurrectionists because its an invitation for political violence. We will, you know, this president anyway will reward political violence. Some people think it would create a private militia, just people that will ride or die with their guns for Donald Trump thats not the idea, jake behind the Pardon Power, which goes back thousands of years. What is the idea behind the Pardon Power . It steph the criminal Justice System is flawed some people get really harsh sentences and there needs to be some mercy. An Act Of Mercy. And if you pardon a lot of people at the idea is its a widespread Act Of Mercy like George Washington very first part in four people are participated in the Whiskey Rebellion or Jimmy Carter for Draft Dodgers and others that the idea is, as a Stop Gap against unfairness a mechanism for Corruption And Silencing witnesses and paying donors and the kinds of things that we see routinely and just shrug off it. And there is a lot of injustice in the Justice System. So that theoretically would be valuable. You posed the question in the book, what are the checks on the president s . Power to pardon are there any well, i think theres a mythology that there are not, there actually are Supreme Court cases that limit the Pardon Power. So thats possible, but it takes a case to get to this Supreme Court takes an appetite for it. I dont think congress could limit it specifically, but it could ban lobbying for pardons. It could require Transparency And Poppy pardons. It could maybe have a Pardon Commission that was not just doj lawyers. So theres things that can be done if people cared and learn about it. All right, the new book, Pardon Power, the author kim wehle, its so good to have you back. Thank you so much. Thank you, jake and we have some major Breaking News. Cnn Breaking News, major Breaking News just coming in. We are hearing that legendary actor, james Earl Jones has died at the age of 93. You hear his iconic voice often right here On Cnn. Again, this news is just coming in and were going to come back with more on this sad Breaking News right after this break Kamala Harris. Donald trump, the debate. Everyones been waiting for Follow Cnn for complete coverage and exclusive pre and postdebate analysis a cnn Special Event, the abc News Prison additional Debate Tomorrow at nine eastern on Cnn And Streaming on max you are not crazy but you have a dream. A dream that people telling you is impossible and over again is sourced. 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