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Never let you go to lumi dotcom and get your first Starter Pack for 30 off. Im Hanako Montgomery In Tokyo and this is cnn tonight. The high Stakes Showdown here in philadelphia between Vice President Kamala Harris and former President Donald Trump, their first Face To Face Meeting in this president ial election, their first Face To Face Meeting ever. A historic race for president upended just weeks ago. President biden withdrawing after his last debate Donald Trump, now up against a new opponent. The candidates separated by the smallest of margins, essentially tied in the polls nationally and in the key battlegrounds including right here in pennsylvania all still very much in play. The abc News President ial debate starts right now. This is an Abc News special. The most consequential moment of this campaign. Kamala harris together we will chart a new way forward. Donald trump, we will soon be a great nation again, Face To face historic the abc News President ial debate. Here now david Muir And Linsey davis good evening. Im David Muir and thank you for joining us for tonights abc News President ial debate. We want to welcome viewers watching on abc and Around The World. Tonight, Vice President Kamala Harris and President Donald Trump are just moments away from taking the stage in this unprecedented race for president. And im linsey davis. Tonights meeting could be the most consequential event of their campaigns with Election Day now less than two months away for Vice President Kamala Harris, this is her first debate since President Biden withdrew from the race on july 21st. Of course, that decision followed his debate against President Donald Trump in june. Since then, this race has taken on an entirely new dynamic. And that brings us to the rules of tonights debate. 90 minutes with two commercial breaks, no topics or questions have been shared with the campaigns the candidates will have two minutes to answer questions, and this is the clock. Thats what theyll be seeing. Two minutes for rebuttals and one minute for follow ups, clarifications or responses. Their microphones will only be turned on when its their turn to speak. No prewritten notes allowed there is no audience here tonight in this hall at the national Constitution Center. This is an intimate setting for two candidates who have never met President Trump won the coin toss. He chose to deliver the final Closing Statement of the evening. Vice president harris selected the podium to the right so lets now welcome the candidates to the stage Vice President Kamala Harris and President Donald Trump Kamala Harris, whats up . Good to see you. Have fun. Thank you. Thank you welcome to you both its wonderful to have you. Its an honor to have you both here tonight. Good evening. We are looking forward to a spirited and thoughtful debate. So lets get started. I want to begin tonight with the issue that voters repeatedly say is their Number One issue. And that is the economy and the cost of living in this country. Vice president harris, you and President Trump were elected four years ago, and your opponent on the stage here tonight often asks his supporters, are you better off than you were four years ago . When it comes to the economy, do you believe americans are better off than they were four years ago . So i was raised as a middle Class Kid, and i am actually the only person on this stage who has a plan that is about lifting up the Middle Class and working people of america i believe in the ambition, the aspirations, the dreams of the american people and that is why i imagine and have actually a plan to build what i call an Opportunity Economy. Because heres the thing we know that we have a shortage of of homes and housing, and the cost of housing is too expensive for too many people we know that young families need support to raise their children, and i intend on extending a Tax Cut for those families of 6,000, which is the largest Child Tax Credit that we have given in a long time. So that those young families can afford to buy a crib, buy a car seat, buy clothes for their children my passion one of them is small businesses. I was actually my mother, raised my sister and me, but there was a woman who helped raise us. We call her our second mother. She was a small business owner. I love our small businesses. My plan is to give a 50,000 Tax Deduction to start up small businesses knowing they are part of the backbone of americas economy. My opponent on the other hand, his plan is to do what he has done before, which is to provide a Tax Cut for billionaires and big corporations, which will result in 5 Trillion to americas deficit. My opponent has a plan that i call the trumps Sales Tax, which would be a 20 tax on everyday goods that you rely on to get through the month economists have said that that trump Sales Tax would actually result for Middle Class families in about 4,000 more, a year because of his policies and his ideas about what should be the backs of Middle Class people paying for Tax Cuts for billionaires President Trump ill give you two minutes. First of all, i have no Sales Tax. Thats an incorrect statement she knows that were doing tariffs on other countries. Other countries are going to finally, after 75 years, pay us back for all that weve done for the world and the tariff will be substantial in some cases i took in billions and billions of dollars as you know, from china. In fact, they never took the tariff off because it was so much money. They cant it would totally destroy everything that theyve set out to do theyre taking in billions of dollars from china and other places. Theyve left the tariffs on. When i had it, i had tariffs. And yet i had no inflation. Look, weve had a terrible economy because inflation has, which is really known as a country buster. It breaks up countries we have inflation like very few people have ever seen before probably the worst in our nations history. We were at 21 . But thats being generous because many things are 50, 60, 70 and 80 higher than they were just a few years ago. This has been a disaster for people, for the Middle Class. But for every class on top of that, we have millions of people pouring into our country from prisons and jails, from mental institutions and insane asylums, and theyre coming in and theyre taking jobs that are occupied. Right now by african americans. And hispanics and also unions unions are going to be affected very soon and you see whats happening. You see whats happening with towns throughout the united states. You look at springfield ohio, you look at aurora in colorado. They are taking over the towns. Theyre taking over buildings. Theyre going in violently. These are the people that she and biden let into our country. And theyre destroying our country. Theyre dangerous. Theyre at the highest level of criminality. And we have to get them out. We have to get them out fast. I created one of the greatest economies in the history of our country. Ill do it again. And even better, we are going to get to immigration and Border Security during this debate. But i would like to let Vice President harris respond on the economy here well, i would love to. Lets talk about what Donald Trump left us. Donald trump left us the worst unemployment since the great depression. Donald trump left us the worst public Health Epidemic in a century Donald Trump left us the worst attack on our democracy since the Civil War and what we have done is clean up Donald Trumps mess what we have done and what i intend to do is build on what we know are the aspirations and the hopes of the american people. But im going to tell you all in this debate tonight, youre going to hear from the same old tired playbook, a bunch of lies, grievances and name calling. What youre going to hear tonight is a detailed and dangerous plan called project 2025, that the former president intends on implementing if he were elected again i believe very strongly that the american people want a president who understands the importance of bringing us together, and we have so much more in common than what separates us. And i pledge to you to be a president for all americans. President trump will give you a minute here to respond. Number one, i have nothing to do as you know and as she knows better than anyone, i have nothing to do with project 2025. Thats out there. I havent read it. I dont want to read it purposely. Im not going to read it this was a group of people that got together. They came up with some ideas, i guess some good, some bad, but it makes no difference. I have nothing to do. Everybody knows im an open book. Everybody knows what im going to do. Cut taxes very substantially and create a great economy like i did before. We had the greatest economy. We got hit with a pandemic and the pandemic was not since 1917, where 100 Million people died. Has there been anything like it. We did a phenomenal job with the pandemic. We handed them over a country where the economy and with the Stock Market was higher than it was before the pandemic came in. Nobodys ever seen anything like it. We made ventilators for the entire world. We got gowns, we got masks. We did things that nobody thought possible, and people give me credit for rebuilding the military. They give me credit for a lot of things, but not enough credit for the great job we did with the pandemic. But the only jobs they got were bounceback jobs. These were jobs bounce back and it bounced back. And it went to their benefit. But i was the one that created them. They know it. And so does Everybody Else. Vice president harris, ill let you respond. So Donald Trump has no Plan For you. And when you look at his economic plan, its all about Tax Breaks for the richest people i am offering what i describe as an Opportunity Economy and the best economists in our country, if not the world, have reviewed our relative plans for the future of america. What goldman sachs has said is that Donald Trumps plan would make the economy worse. Mine would strengthen the economy. What the Wharton School has said is Donald Trumps plan would actually explode. The deficit. 16 nobel laureates have described his economic plan as something that would increase inflation, and by the middle of next year, would invite a recession. You just have to look at where we are and where we stand on the issues. And id invite you to know that Donald Trump actually has no Plan For you because he is more interested in defending himself than he is in looking out for you. Thats just a soundbite. They gave her that to say look, i went to the Wharton School of finance and many of those professors, the top professors, think my plan is a brilliant plan. Its a great plan its a plan thats going to bring up our worth, our value as a country. Its going to make people want to be able to go and work and create jobs and create a lot of good, solid money for our for our country. And just to finish off, she doesnt have a plan. She copied Bidens Plan and its like four sentences like Run Spot run, four sentences that are just oh, well try and lower taxes she doesnt have a plan. Take a look at her plan. She doesnt have a plan. Mr. President i do want to drill down on something you both brought up. The Vice President brought up your tariffs, you responded. And lets drill down on this because your plan is what she calls is essentially a national Sales Tax. Your Proposal Calls for tariffs, as you pointed out here on foreign imports across the board. You recently said that you might double your plan imposing tariffs up to 20 on goods coming into this country as you know, many economists say that with tariffs at that level, costs are then passed on to the consumer. Vice president harris has argued it will mean higher prices on gas, food, clothing medication, arguing it costs the typical family nearly 4,000 a year. Do you believe americans can afford higher prices because of tariffs . Theyre not going to have higher prices. Whats going to have and whos going to have higher prices is china and all of the countries that have been ripping us off for years, i charge i was the only president ever china was paying us hundreds of billions of dollars and so were other countries and, you know, if she doesnt like him, they should have gone out and they should have immediately cut the tariffs. But those tariffs are there 3. 5 years now under their administration we are going to take in billions of Dollars Hundreds of billions of dollars. I had no inflation virtually no inflation. They had the highest inflation perhaps in the history of our country, because ive never seen a worse period of time. People cant go out and buy Cereal Or Bacon or eggs or anything else. These the people of our country are absolutely dying with what theyve done. Theyve destroyed the economy. And all you have to do is look at a poll. The polls say 80 and 85 and even 90 that the Trump Economy was great, that their economy was terrible Vice President harris, i do want to ask for your response and you heard what the president said there, because the biden administration did keep a number of the trump tariffs in place. So how do you respond . Well, lets be clear that the Trump Administration resulted in a trade deficit. One of the highest weve ever seen in the history of america, he invited trade wars. You want to talk about his deal with china. What he ended up doing is under Donald Trumps presidency, he ended up selling american chips to china to help them improve and modernize their military basically sold us out. When a policy about china should be in making sure the united states of america wins, the competition for the 21st century, which means focusing on the details of what that requires, focusing on relationships with our allies focusing on Investing In American Based Technology so that we win the race on a. I. , on quantum computing, focusing on what we need to do to support Americas Workforce so that we dont end up having on the short end of the stick in terms of workers rights. But what Donald Trump did, lets talk about this with covid. Is he actually thanked President Xi for what he did during covid. Look at his tweet. Thank you president Xi Exclamation point. When we know that xi was responsible for lacking and not giving us transparency about the origins of covid, President Trump, ill let you respond. First of all, they bought their chips from taiwan. We hardly make chips anymore because of philosophies like they have. And policies like they have. I dont say her because she has no Policy Everything that she believed three years ago and four years ago is out. The window. Shes going to my philosophy now in fact, i was going to send her a Maga Hat shes gone to my philosophy but if she ever got elected, shed change it. And it will be The End of our country. Shes a marxist. Everybody knows shes a marxist. Her father is a Marxist Professor in economics and he taught her well. But when you look at what shes done to our country and when you look at these millions and millions of people that are pouring into our country monthly, where its i believe, 21 Million people, not the 15 that people say. And i think its a lot higher than the 21 thats bigger than new York State pouring in. And just look at what theyre doing to our country. Theyre criminals. Many of these people coming in are criminals, and thats bad for our economy, too. You know, you mentioned before, well talk about immigration later. Well, bad immigration is the worst thing that can happen to our economy. They have. And she has destroyed our country with policy. Thats insane. Almost policy that youd say they have to hate our country President Trump thank you. Linsey, i want to turn to the issue of abortion. President trump, youve often touted that you were able to kill Roe V. Wade last year. You said that you were proud to be the most prolife president in american history. Then last month you said that your administration would be great for women and their reproductive rights in your Home State of florida. You surprised many with regard to your six Week Abortion Ban because you initially had said that it was too short and you said, quote, im going to be voting that we need more than six weeks. But then the very next day you reversed course and said you would vote to support the six week ban. Vice president harris says that women shouldnt trust you on the issue of abortion because youve changed your position so many times. Therefore, why should they trust you . Well, the reason im doing that vote is because the plan is, as you know, the vote is they have abortion in the ninth month. They even have. And you can look at the governor of west virginia, the previous governor of west virginia, not the current governor, whos doing an excellent job, but the governor before he said the baby will be born and we will decide what to do with the baby. In other words well execute the baby. And thats why i did that, because that predominates. Because theyre radical the democrats are radical in that and her Vice President ial pick, which i think was a horrible pick, by The Way, for our country because he is really out of it but her Vice President ial pick says abortion in the ninth month is absolutely fine. He also says execution after birth, its an execution. No longer abortion because the baby is born is okay and thats not okay with me. Hence the vote but what i did is something for 52 years, theyve been trying to get Roe V. Wade into the states and through the genius and and Heart And Strength of six Supreme Court justices we were able to do that. Now i believe in the exceptions for Rape Incest and life of the mother. I believe strongly in it. Ronald reagan did also 85 of republicans do exceptions. Very important but we were able to get it. And now states are voting on it. And for the first time youre going to see, look this is an issue thats torn our country apart for 52 years. Every legal scholar, every democrat, every republican liberal conservative, they all wanted this issue to be brought back to the states where the people could vote. And thats what happened, happened. And now ohio, the vote was somewhat liberal. Kansas the vote was somewhat liberal, much more liberal than people would have thought. But each individual state is voting. Its the vote of the people. Now its not tied up in the federal government i did a great service in doing it. It took courage to do it. And the Supreme Court had great courage in doing it. And i give tremendous credit to those six justices. There is no state in this country where it is legal to kill a baby after its born. Madam Vice President , i want to get your response to President Trump. Well, as i said, youre going to hear a bunch of lies. And thats not actually a surprising fact. Lets understand how we got here Donald Trump hand selected three members of the united states Supreme Court with the intention that they would undo the protections of Roe V wade. And they did exactly as he intended and now, in over 20 states, there are trump Abortion Bans which make It Criminal for a Doctor Or Nurse to provide Health Care in one state. It provides prison for life. Trump Abortion Bans that make no exception, even for Rape And Incest which understand what that means a survivor of a crime of violation to their body does not have the right to make a decision about what happens to their body next that is immoral and one does not have to abandon their faith or deeply held beliefs to agree the government and Donald Trump certainly should not be telling a woman what to do with her body. I have talked with women around our country you want to talk about this is what people wanted pregnant women who want to carry a pregnancy to term, suffering from a miscarriage, being denied care in an Emergency Room because the Health Care providers are afraid they might go to jail, and shes bleeding out in a car in the parking lot. She didnt want that. Her husband didnt want that. A 12 or 13 year old survivor of incest being forced to carry a pregnancy to term they dont want that and i pledge to you, when congress passes a bill to put back in place the protections of Roe V wade as President Of The United States i will proudly sign it into law. But understand, if Donald Trump were to be reelected, he will sign a national Abortion Ban. Understand . In his project 2025 there would be a national abortion, a monitor that would be monitoring your pregnancies, your miscarriages i think the american people believe that certain freedoms, in particular the freedom to make decisions about ones own body, should not be made by the government. Thank you, Vice President harris. Well, there she goes again. Its a lie. Im not signing a ban, and theres no reason to sign a ban because weve gotten what everybody wanted. Democrats republicans and Everybody Else. And every legal scholar wanted it to be brought back into the states and the states are voting, and it may take a little time, but for 52 years, this issue has torn our country apart, and theyve wanted it back in the states. And i did something that nobody thought was possible the states are now voting what she says is an absolute lie. And as far as the Abortion Ban, no, im not in favor of Abortion Ban. But it doesnt matter because this issue has now been taken over by the states. Would you veto a national Abortion Ban if it came . Well, i wont have to, because again, two things. Number one, she said shell go back to congress. Shell never get the vote. Its impossible for her to get the vote especially now with the 5050 and essentially 5050 in both the senate and the house. Shes not going to get the vote. She cant get the vote. She wont even come close to it. So its just talk. You know what it reminds me of when they said theyre going to get Student Loans terminated and it ended up being a total catastrophe. The Student Loans and then her, i think probably her boss. If you call him a boss, he spends all his time On The Beach but look, her boss went out and said, well do it again. Well do it a different way. And he went out and got rejected again by the Supreme Court. So all these students got taunted with this whole thing about this whole idea and how unfair that would have been. Part of the reason they lost to the millions and millions of people that had to pay off their Student Loans they didnt get it for free, but they were saying its the same way that they talked about that, that they talk about abortion but if i could just get a yes or no because your Running Mate j. D. Vance has said that you would veto it if it did come to your desk well, i didnt discuss it with j. D. In all fairness, j. D. And i dont mind if he has a certain view, but i think he was speaking for me. But i really didnt. Look we dont have to discuss it because shed never be able to get it just like she couldnt get Student Loans. They couldnt get Student Loans. They didnt even come close to getting Student Loans they taunted young people and a lot of other people that had loans they can never get this approved. So it doesnt matter what she says about going to congress. Were wonderful. Lets go to congress. Do it. But the fact is that for years they wanted to get it out of congress and out of the federal government. And we did something that everybody said couldnt be done. And now you have a vote of the people on abortion. Vice president harris, i want to give you your time to respond. But i do want to ask, would you support any restrictions on a womans right to an abortion . I absolutely support reinstating the protections of Roe V. Wade and as you rightly mentioned, nowhere in america is a woman carrying a pregnancy to term and and asking for an abortion that is not happening. Its insulting to the women of america and understand what has been happening under Donald Trumps Abortion Bans couples who pray and dream of having a family are being denied ivf treatments. What is happening in our country working people, Working Women who are working 1 or 2 jobs, who can barely afford Child Care as it is, have to travel to another state to get on a plane sitting next to strangers to go and get the Health Care she needs barely can afford to do it. And what you are putting her through is unconscionable. And the people of america have not. The majority of americans believe in a womans right to make decisions about her own body, and that is why in every state where this issue has been on the ballot in red and blue states, both the people of america have voted for freedom Vice President. Excuse me, i have to respond. Another lie. Its another lie. I have been a leader on ivf, which is fertilization. The ivf. I have been a leader in fact, when they got a very negative decision on ivf from the alabama courts, i saw the people of alabama and the legislature two days later voted it in. Ive been a leader on it. They know that and Everybody Else knows it. I have been a leader on Fertilization Ivf and the other thing they you should ask, will she allow abortion in the eighth month, ninth month, seventh month, Come On. Okay. Would you do that why dont you ask her that question . Why dont you ask . Thats the problem. Because under Roe V. Wade, you could. You could do abortions in the seventh month. The eighth month, the ninth month, and probably after birth. Just look at the governor, former governor of virginia, the governor of virginia said, we put the baby aside, and then we determine what we want to do with the baby. President trump, thank you. Were going to turn now to immigration and Border Security. We know its an issue thats important to republicans, democrats voters across the board in this country. Vice president harris you were tasked by President Biden with getting to the root causes of migration from central america. We know that illegal Border Crossings reached a Record High in the biden administration this past june. President biden imposed tough new asylum restrictions. We know the numbers since then have dropped significantly but my question to you tonight is why did the administration wait until six months before the election to act . And would you have done anything differently from President Biden on this so im the only person on this stage who has prosecuted Transnational Criminal Organizations for the trafficking of guns, drugs and Human Beings. And let me say that the united States Congress including some of the most conservative members of the united States Senate, came up with a Border Security bill which i supported and that bill would have put 1500 more Border Agents on the border to help those folks who are working there right now. Overtime trying to do their job. It would have allowed us to stem the flow of fentanyl coming into the united states. I know there are so many families watching tonight who have been personally affected by the surge of fentanyl in our country. That bill would have put more resources to allow us to prosecute Transnational Criminal Organizations for trafficking in guns, drugs and Human Beings but you know what happened to that bill Donald Trump got on the Phone Called up some folks in congress and said, kill the bill. And you know why . Because hed prefer to run on a problem instead of fixing a problem and understand this comes at a time where the people of our country actually need a leader who engages in solutions, who actually addresses the problems at hand. But what we have in the former president is someone who would prefer to run on a problem instead of fixing a problem. And ill tell you something, hes going to talk about immigration a lot tonight, even when its not the subject that is being raised. And im going to actually do something really unusual. And im going to invite you to attend one of Donald Trumps rallies because its a really interesting thing to watch. You will see during the course of his rallies, he talks about fictional characters like hannibal lecter. He will talk about windmills cause cancer and what you will also notice is that people start leaving his rallies early out of exhaustion and boredom, and i will tell you the one thing you will not hear him talk about is you. You will not hear him talk about your needs, your dreams and your needs and your desires. And ill tell you, i believe you deserve a president who actually puts you first. And i pledge to you that i will. Vice president harris, thank you. President trump, on that point, i want to get your response. I would like to respond. Let me just ask, though, why did you try to kill that bill and successfully so that would have put thousands of additional agents and officers on the border. First, let me respond as to the rallies, she said people start leaving. People dont go to her rallies theres no reason to go. And the people that do go, shes bussing them in and paying them to be there and then showing them in a different light. So she Cant Talk about that. People dont leave my rallies. We have the biggest rallies, the most incredible rallies in the history of politics. Thats because people want to take their country back. Our country is being lost. Were a failing nation and it happened 3. 5 years ago and what whats going on here . Youre going to end up in World War three just to go into another subject what they have done to our country by allowing these millions and millions of people to come into our country and look at whats happening to the towns all over the united states and a lot of towns dont want to talk. Theyre not going to be aurora or springfield. A lot of towns dont want to talk about it because theyre so embarrassed by it. In springfield, theyre eating the dogs. The people that came in, theyre eating the cats theyre eating, theyre eating the pets of the people that live there and this is whats happening in our country. And its a shame as far as rallies are concerned, as far as the reason they go is they like what i say. They want to bring our country back. They want to Make America Great Again. Its a very simple phrase, Make America Great Again shes destroying this country and if she becomes president this country doesnt have a chance of success. Not only success well end up being venezuela on steroids. I just want to clarify here. You bring up springfield ohio, and Abc News did reach out to the City Manager there. He told us there have been no credible reports of specific claims of pets being harmed injured or abused by individuals within the immigrant community. Well, ive seen people on television. Let me just say here, this is the people on television say my dog was taken and used for food. So maybe he said that and maybe thats a good thing to say for a City Manager. Im not taking this from television. People are on television saying that the dog was eaten by the people that went there again the springfield City Manager says theres no evidence of that Vice President harris ill let you respond to the rest of what youve heard. I mean, you talk about extreme you know, i this is i think one of the reasons why in this election, i actually have The Endorsement of 200 republicans who have formally worked with president bush, Mitt Romney and John Mccain, including The Endorsement of former Vice President Dick Cheney and Congress Member liz cheney. And if you want to really know The Inside Track On who the former president is, if he didnt make it clear already, just ask people who have worked with him. His former chief of staff, a four star general, has said he has contempt for the Constitution Of The United States. His former national Security Adviser has said he is dangerous and unfit. His former Secretary Of Defense has said the nation the republic would never survive another Trump Term and when we listen to this kind of rhetoric when the issues that affect the american people are not being addressed, i think the choice is clear in this election. President trump will give you a quick minute to respond here. Uh thank you. Because when i hear that, see, im a different kind of a person. I fired most of those people not so graciously. They did bad things or a bad job i fired him. They never fired one person. They didnt Fire Anybody having to do with afghanistan and the taliban and the 13 people whose whose were just killed viciously and violently killed. And i got to know the parents and the family. They didnt fire. They should have fired all those generals, all those top people because that was one of the most incompetently handled situations. Anybody has ever seen. So when somebody does a bad job, i fire him, and you take a guy like esper he was no good. I fired him, so he writes a book. Another one writes a book because with me they can write books with nobody else, can they but they have done such a poor job and they never Fire Anybody. Look at the economy. Look. Look at the inflation they didnt fire any of their economists. They have the same people. Thats a good way not to have books written about you. But just to finish, i got more votes than any republican in history by far. In fact, i got more votes than any president sitting president in history by far let me continue on immigration. It was what you wanted to talk about earlier. So lets get back to your Deportation Proposal that the Vice President has reacted to as well. President trump, you called this the largest domestic Deportation Operation in the history of our country. You say you would use the National Guard. You say if things get Out Of Control, youd have no problem using the u. S. Military. You also said you would use local police. How would you deport 11 Million undocumented immigrants . I know you believe that number is much higher. Take us through this. What does this look like . Will authorities be going Door To door in this country . Yeah, it is much higher because of them. They allowed criminals many, many millions of criminals. They allowed terrorists. They allowed common street criminals. They allowed people to come in Drug Dealers to come into our country. And theyre now in the united states and told by their countries like venezuela, dont ever come back or were going to kill you. Do you know that crime in venezuela and crime in countries All Over The World is way down . You know why . Because theyve taken their criminals off the Street And Theyve given them to her to put into our country and this will be one of the greatest mistakes in history for them to allow. And i think they probably did it because they think theyre going to get votes, but its not worth it because theyre destroying the fabric of our country by what theyve done. Theres never been anything done like this at all. Theyve destroyed the fabric of our country. Millions of people let in and All Over The World crime is down All Over The World except here. Crime here is up and through the roof. Despite their fraudulent statements that they made crime in this country is through the roof. And we have a new form of crime. Its called migrant crime. And its happening at levels that nobody thought possible. President trump, as you know, the fbi says overall violent crime is actually coming down in this country. But excuse me, the fbi, the fraud they were defrauding statements they they didnt include the worst cities. They didnt include the cities with the worst crime. It was a fraud. Just like there are a number of 818,000 jobs that they said they created, turned out to be a fraud. President trump, thank you. Ill let you respond. Vice president harris. Well, i think this is so rich coming from someone who has been prosecuted for National Security crimes, economic crimes Election Interference has been found liable for Sexual Assault and his next big Court Appearance is in november at his own criminal sentencing. And lets be clear where each Person Stands on the issue of what is important about respect for the rule of Law And Respect for Law Enforcement. The former Vice President called for defunding federal Law Enforcement. 45,000 agents get this on the day after he was arraigned on 34 Felony Counts so lets talk about what is important in this race. It is important that we move forward, that we turn the page on this same old tired rhetoric and address the needs of the american people address what we need to do about the housing shortage, which i have a Plan For, address what we must do to support our small businesses, address bringing down the price of groceries. But frankly, the american people are exhausted with this same old tired playbook. Vice president harris, thank you. Excuse me. Every one of those cases was started by them against their political opponent. And im winning most of them. And i will win the rest on appeal and you saw that with the decision that came down just recently from the Supreme Court im winning most of them. But those are cases. Its called weaponization never happened in this country they weaponized the justice department. Every one of those cases was involved with the doj from atlanta. And Fani Willis to to the Attorney General of new york and the da in new york. Every one of those cases and then they say oh, he was hes a criminal. Theyre the ones that made them go after me by The Way, Joe Biden was found essentially guilty on the documents case. And what happened in my documents case, they said, oh, thats the toughest of them all. A complete and total victory. Two months ago, it was thrown out. Its weaponization. And they used it and its never happened in this country. They used it to try and win an election. Theyre fake cases President Trump thank you a really quick response here. Vice president harris on this notion of weaponization of the justice department. Well, lets talk about extreme and understand the context in which this election in 2024 is taking place. The united states Supreme Court recently ruled that the former president would essentially be immune from any misconduct if he were to enter the White House again understand this is someone who has openly said he would terminate. Im quoting terminate the Constitution Of The United States that he would weaponize the department of justice against his political Enemies Someone who has openly expressed disdain for members of our military understand what it would mean if Donald Trump were back in the White House with no guardrails, because certainly we know now the Court Wont Stop him. We know Jd Vance is not going to stop him. Its up to the american people to stop him. Thank you linsey. Vice president harris, in your last run for president this is the one that weaponized, not me she weaponized. I probably took a bullet to the head because of the things that they say about me. They talk about democracy. Im a threat to democracy. Theyre the threat to democracy with a fake russia russia, Russia Investigation that went nowhere. We have a lot to get to linsey. Vice president harris, in your last run for president , you said you wanted to ban fracking. Now you dont. You wanted mandatory Government Buyback programs for assault weapons. Now your campaign says you dont. You supported decriminalizing Border Crossings. Now youre taking a harder line. I know you say that your values have not changed. So then why have so many of your policy positions changed so my values have not changed. And im going to discuss every one of the at least every point that youve made. But in particular, lets talk about fracking because were here in pennsylvania. I made that very clear in 2020. I will not ban fracking. I have not banned fracking as Vice President of the united states. And in fact, i was the tie breaking vote on the inflation reduction act, which opened new leases for fracking my position is that we have got to invest in diverse sources of energy. So we reduce our reliance on foreign oil. We have had the largest increase in domestic Oil Production in history because of an approach that recognizes that we cannot over rely on foreign oil as it relates to my values. Let me tell you, i grew up a middle Class Kid raised by a hard working mother who worked and saved and was able to buy our first home when i was a teenager the values i bring to the importance of homeownership, knowing not everybody got handed 400 Million on a Silver Platter and then filed bankruptcy six times, is a value that i bring to my work to say we are going to work with the private Sector And Home builders to increase 3 Million homes, increase by 3 Million homes by The End of my first term, my work that is related to having a friend when i was in High School who was sexually assaulted by her stepfather, and my focus then on protecting women and children from violent crime is based on a value that is deeply grounded in the importance of standing up for those who are most vulnerable my work that is about protecting social Security And Medicare is based on long Standing Work that i have done protecting seniors from scams my values have not changed. And what is important is that there is a president who actually brings values and a perspective that is about lifting people up and not beating people down, and name calling. The true measure of the leader is the leader who actually understands the strength is not in beating people down its in lifting people up. I intend to be that president President Trump. Well, first of all, i wasnt given 400 Million. I wish i was. My father was a brooklyn builder. Brooklyn queens, and a great father. And i learned a lot from him. But i was given a fraction of that a tiny fraction, and have built it into many, many billions of dollars, many many billions. And when people see it they are even surprised. So we dont have to talk about that fracking shes been against it for 12 years. Uh, Defund The Police. Shes been against that forever. She gave all that stuff up very wrongly, very horribly and everybodys laughing at it okay . Theyre all laughing at it. She gave up at least 12 and probably 14 or 15 different policies, like she was big on Defund The Police in minnesota. She went out. Wait a minute. Im talking now, if you dont mind please. Does that sound familiar she went out. She went out in minnesota and wanted to let criminals that killed people that burned Down Minneapolis. She went out and raised money to get them out of jail. She did things that nobody would ever think of now she wants to do transgender operations on a legal aliens that are in prison this is a radical left liberal that would do this she wants to confiscate your guns and she will never allow fracking in pennsylvania. If she won the election. Fracking in pennsylvania will end on day one. Just to finish. One thing thats so important in my opinion. So i got the Oil Business going like nobody has ever done before. They took when they took over, they got rid of it started getting rid of it, and the prices were going up. The roof. They immediately let these guys go to where they were. I would have been five times. Four times, five times higher because youre talking about 3. 5 years ago they got it up to where i was because they had no choice, because the prices of energy were were quadrupling and doubling. You saw what happened to gasoline. So they said, lets go back to trump. But if she won the election the day after that election, theyll go back to destroying our Country And Oil will be dead, Fossil Fuel will be dead. Well go back to windmills and well go back to solar where they need a whole desert to get some energy to come out. You ever see a solar plant . By The Way, im a Big Fan Of Solar but they take 400 500 acres of Desert Soil these are not good things for the environment. They. She understands. Thank you linsey. Thank you. We have an election in just 56 days. And i want to talk about the peaceful transfer of power, which of course, we all know is a cornerstone of our democracy and the role of a president in a moment of crisis mr. President, on January 6th, you told your supporters to march to the capitol. You said you would be right there with them, the country and the world saw what played out at the capitol that day. The officers coming under attack aides in the West Wing say you watched it unfold on television off the oval office. You did send out tweets, but it was more than two hours before you sent out that Video Message telling your supporters to go home is there anything you regret about what you did on that day . You just said a thing that isnt covered peacefully and patriotically, i said during my speech, not later on peacefully and patriotically and nobody on The Other Side was killed Ashli Babbitt was shot by an Out Of Control Police Officer that should have never, ever shot her. Its a disgrace. But we didnt do this group of people that have been treated so badly. I ask, what about all the people that are pouring into our country and killing people that she allowed to pour in . She was the Border Czar remember that she was the Border Czar. She doesnt want to be called the Border Czar because shes embarrassed by the border. In fact, she said at the beginning, well, im surprised youre not talking about the border yet. Thats because she knows what a bad Job Theyve done. What about those people . What . What are they going to be prosecuted . When are these people from countries All Over The World, not just south america. Theyre coming in from All Over The World. David All Over The World, and Crime Rates are down All Over The World because of it. But let me just one of those. David, when are those people going to be prosecuted . When are the people that burned Down Minneapolis going to be prosecuted . Or in seattle they went into seattle. They took over a big percentage of the city of seattle. When are those people going to be prosecuted but let me just ask you, you might ask her that question you were the president. You were watching it unfold on television. Its a very simple question. As we move forward toward another election, is there anything you regret about what you did on that day . Yes, sir. I had nothing to do with that other than they asked me to make a speech. I showed up for a speech i said, i think its going to be big. I went to Nancy Pelosi and the mayor of Washington Dc and the mayor put it back in writing. As you know i said, you know, this is going to be a very big rally or whatever you want to call it. And again, it wasnt done by me. It was done by others. I said id like to give you 10,000 National Guard or soldiers. They rejected me Nancy Pelosi rejected me. It was just two weeks ago. Her daughter has a tape of her saying she is fully responsible for what happened. They want to get rid of that tape. It would have never happened if Nancy Pelosi and the mayor of washington did their jobs i wasnt responsible for security Nancy Pelosi was responsible she didnt do her job. The question was about you as president , not about former speaker pelosi. But i do want Vice President harris to respond here i was at the capitol on January 6th. I was the Vice President elect i was also an acting senator. I was there and on that day, the President Of The United States incited a violent mob to attack our Nations Capitol to desecrate our Nations Capitol. On that day, 140 Law Enforcement officers were injured and some died and understand the former president has been indicted and impeached for exactly that reason. But this is not an isolated situation lets remember charlottesville where there was a mob of people carrying tiki torches spewing antisemitic hate. And what did the president then at the time say there were fine people on each side lets remember that when it came to the proud boys, a militia the president said the former president said, stand back and stand by. So for everyone watching, who remembers what January 6th was, i say, we dont have to go back. Lets not go back. Were not going back. Its time to turn the page and if that was a bridge too far for you, well, there is a place in our campaign for you to stand for country to stand for our democracy, to stand for Rule Of Law and to end the chaos and to end the approach that is about attacking the foundations of our democracy. Because you dont like the outcome and be clear on that point Donald Trump, the candidate has said in this election, there will be a bloodbath if this and the outcome of this election is not to his liking lets turn the page on this. Lets not go back lets chart a course for the future and not go backwards to the past. Let me just follow up here. It was a different term and it was a term that related to energy because they have destroyed our energy business. That was where bloodbath was. Also on charlottesville. That story has been, as you would say, debunked. Laura ingraham, Sean Hannity jesse, all of these people, they covered it. If they go an extra sentence, they will see it was perfect. It was debunked in almost every newspaper, but they still bring it up, just like they bring 2025 up. They bring all of this stuff up. I ask you this, you talk about the capital why are we allowing these millions of people to come through on the southern border . How come shes not doing anything . And ill tell you what i would do, and i would be very proud to do it. I would say we would both leave this debate right now. Id like to see her go down to washington d. C. , during this debate, because were wasting a lot of time. Go down to because shes been so bad. Its so ridiculous. Go down to washington, d. C. , and let her sign a bill to close up the border because they have the right to do it. They dont need bills. They have the right to do the President Of The United States. Youll get him out of bed. Youll wake him up at 4 00 in the afternoon. Youll say, Come On, Come On down to the office. Lets sign a bill if he if he signs a bill that the border is closed, all he has to do is say it to the border patrol. Who are phenomenal. If they do that, the border is closed. Those people are killing many people. Unlike j six, we talked immigration here tonight. I do want to focus on this next issue to both of you, because it really brings us this into focus truth. In these times that were living in. Mr. President, for 3. 5 years after you lost the 2020 election, you repeatedly falsely claimed that you won many times, saying you won in a landslide in the past couple of weeks leading up to this debate, you have said, quote, you lost by a whisker that you quote didnt quite make it, that you came up a little bit short. Are you that are you now acknowledging that you lost in 2020 . Acknowledge that at all. But you did say sarcastically, you know that it was said, oh we lost by a whisker that was said sarcastically, look theres so much proof. All you have to do is look at it, and they should have sent it back to the legislatures for approval. I got almost 75 Million votes, the most votes any sitting president has ever gotten. I was told if i got 63, which was what i got in 2016, you cant be beaten. The election people should never be thinking about an election as fraudulent. We need two things. We need walls we need, and we have to have it we have to have borders and we have to have good elections. Our elections are bad, and a lot of these illegal immigrants coming in, theyre trying to get them to vote. They cant even speak english. They dont even know what country theyre in practically. And these people are trying to get them to vote. And thats why theyre allowing them to come into our country. I did watch all of these pieces of video i didnt detect the sarcasm lost by a whisker. We didnt quite make it. And we should just point out here as clarification, and you know, this you and your allies, 60 cases in front of many judges, many of them. No judge looked at it and said, they said, we didnt have standing. Thats the other thing. They said we didnt have standing a technicality. Can you imagine a system where a person in an election doesnt have standing . The President Of The United States doesnt have standing thats how we lost. If you look at the facts and Id Love to have you, youll do a special on it. Ill show you georgia, and ill show you wisconsin, and ill show you pennsylvania, and ill show you we have so many facts and statistics but you know what . That doesnt matter because we have to solve the problem that we have right now. Thats old news. And the problem that we have right now is we have a nation in decline. And they have put it into decline. We have a nation that is dying david. Mr. President, thank you. Vice president harris, you heard the president there tonight. He said he didnt say that, that he lost by a whisker. So he still believes he did not lose the election that was won by President Biden and yourself but i do want to ask you about something thats come up in the last couple of days. This was a post from President Trump about this upcoming election just weeks away. He said, when i win, those people who cheated and then he lists donors, voters, Election Officials he says, will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, which will include long Term Prison sentences. One of your campaigns top lawyers responded saying, we wont let Donald Trump intimidate us we wont let him suppress the vote. Is that what you believe hes trying to do here Donald Trump was fired by 81 Million people. So lets be clear about that. And clearly he is having a very difficult time processing that. But we cannot afford to have a President Of The United States who attempts as he did in the past, to upend the will of the voters in a free and fair election. And im going to tell you that i have traveled the world as Vice President of the united states and World Leaders are laughing at Donald Trump. I have talked with military leaders some of whom worked with you, and they say youre a disgrace and when you then talk in this way, in a president ial debate and deny what over and over again, our Court Cases you have lost because you did in fact lose that election. It leads one to believe that perhaps we do not have in the candidate to my right, the temperament or or the ability to not be confused about fact. Thats deeply troubling. And the american people deserve better. Ill give you one minute to respond, mr. President. Let me just tell you about where our leaders Viktor Orban one of the most respected men they call him a strong man. Hes a hes a tough person, smart Prime Minister of hungary. They said why is the whole world blowing up . Three years ago it wasnt. Why is it blowing up . He said because you need trump back as president. They were afraid of him. China was afraid and i dont like to use the word afraid, but im just quoting him. China was afraid of him North Korea was afraid of him look at whats going on with North Korea by The Way, he said russia was afraid of him. I ended the Nord Stream two Pipeline And Biden put it back on day one. But he ended the Xl Pipeline. The Xl Pipeline in our country. He ended that. But he let the russians build a pipeline going all over europe and heading into germany. The biggest pipeline in the World Look Viktor orban said it. He said the most respected, most feared person is Donald Trump we had no problems when trump was president , but when this weak, pathetic man that you saw at a debate just a few months ago that if he werent in that debate, hed be running instead of her, she got no votes. He got 14 Million votes. What you did, you talk about a threat to democracy he got 14 Million votes and they threw him out of office. And you know what . Ill give you a little secret. He hates her. He cant stand her. But he got 14 Million votes. They threw him out. She got zero votes. And when she ran, she was the first one to leave because she failed. And now shes running. I dont understand it, but im okay with it because your time is up. I think were going to do very well weve got a lot more to get to. Turning now to the Israelhamas War and the hostages who are still being held. Americans among them, Vice President harris. In december, you said quote, israel has a right to defend itself but you added, quote, it matters how saying international humanitarian law must be respected israel must do more to protect innocent civilians. You said that nine months ago. Now an estimated 40,000 palestinians are dead. Nearly 100 hostages remain just last week, prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said theres not a deal in the making. President biden has not been able to break through the stalemate. How would you do it . Well lets understand how we got here. On october 7th, Hamas A Terrorist Organization slaughtered 1200 israelis, many of them young people who were simply attending a concert. Women were horribly raped and so absolutely. I said, then i say now, israel has a right to defend itself. We would and how it does so matters because it is also true far too many innocent palestinians have been killed children, mothers. What we know is that this war must end. It must win end immediately and The Way it will end is we need a cease fire deal, and we need the Hostages Out. And so we will continue to work around the clock on that work around the clock. Also understanding that we must chart a course for a two State Solution and in that solution, there must be security for the israeli people and israel. And in equal measure for the palestinians but the one thing i will assure you always, i will always give israel the ability to defend itself, in particular, as it relates to as it relates to iran and any threat that iran and its proxies pose to israel but we must have a two State Solution where we can rebuild gaza, where the palestinians have security, selfdetermination and the dignity they so rightly deserve. President trump, how would you negotiate with netanyahu and also hamas in order to get the Hostages Out and prevent the killing of more innocent civilians in gaza . If i were president , it would have never started if i were president russia would have never ever. I know putin very well. He would have never. And there was no threat of it either, by The Way, for four years have gone into ukraine and killed millions of people. When you add it up far worse than people understand whats going on over there. But when she mentions about israel, All Of A Sudden she hates israel. She wouldnt even meet with netanyahu when he went to congress to make a very important speech. She refused to be there because she was at a Sorority Party of hers. She wanted to go to the Sorority Party. She hates israel. If Shes President i believe that israel will not exist within two years from now. And ive been pretty good at predictions, and i hope im wrong about that one. She hates israel at the same time, in her own way, she hates the arab population because the whole place is going to get blown up. Arabs jewish people israel, israel will be gone. It would have never happened. Iran was broke under Donald Trump now iran has 300 Billion because they took off all the sanctions that i had. Iran had no money for hamas or hezbollah or any of the 28 different spheres of terror, and they are spheres of Terror Horrible terror. They had no money. It was a big story. And, you know, it you covered it very well, actually. They had no money for terror they were broke. Now theyre a rich nation. And now what theyre doing is theyre spreading that money around. Look at whats happening with the houthis and yemen. Look at whats going on in the middle east. This would have never happened. I will get that settled. And fast, and ill get the war with Ukraine And Russia ended if im President Elect, ill get it done before even becoming president Vice President harris, he says you hate israel. Thats absolutely not true. I have my entire Career And Life supported israel and the israeli people. He knows that hes trying to again divide and distract from the reality which is it is very well known that Donald Trump is weak and wrong on National Security and foreign policy. It is well known that he admires dictators, wants to be a dictator on day one. According to himself, it is well known that he said of putin that he can do whatever the hell he wants and go into ukraine. It is well known that he said when russia went into ukraine, it was brilliant. It is well known he exchanged Love Letters with kim Jong Un and it is absolutely well known that these dictators and autocrats are rooting for you to be president again because theyre so clear they can manipulate you with flattery and favors and that is why so many military leaders who you have worked with have told me, you are a disgrace. That is why we understand that we have to have a president who is not consistently weak and wrong on National Security, including the importance of upholding and respecting in highest regard our military. Vice president harris, thank you and shes the one that caused it thats weak on National Security by allowing every nation last month for the year, 168 different countries sending people into our country, their Crime Rates are way down. Putin endorsed her last week, said, i hope she wins and i think he meant it because what hes gotten away with is absolutely incredible. It wouldnt have happened with me. The leaders of other countries think that theyre weak and incompetent and they are. They are grossly incompetent. And i just ask one question why does Biden Go in and kill the Keystone Pipeline and approve the single biggest deal that russia has ever made . Nord stream two, the biggest pipeline anywhere in the world, going to germany and all over europe because theyre weak and theyre ineffective and biden, by The Way, gets paid a lot of money. Thank you. We have a lot of issues to get to. Well be right back with much more of this historic abc News President ial debate from the national Constitution Center right here in philadelphia. Back in a moment with the abc News President ial debate, will continue after this the pros for Have I Got News For You are pretty obvious. Yeah, but what are the cons we could run out of news before then that would never happen. 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Tv on the edge moments that shaped our culture premieres September 22nd at nine On Cnn live from the national Constitution Center in philadelphia, pennsylvania here again, david Muir And Linsey davis. Welcome back to this historic abc News President ial debate. Tonight were going to continue here. And i want to turn to the war in ukraine. Were now 2. 5 years into this conflict. Mr. President, it has been the position of the biden administration that we must defend ukraine from russia, from vladimir putin to defend their sovereignty, their democracy, that its in americas Best Interest to do so, arguing that if putin wins, he may be emboldened to move even further into other countries. You have said you would solve this war in 24 hours. You said so just before the break tonight. How exactly would you do that . And i want to ask you a very simple question tonight. Do you want ukraine to win this war . I want the war to stop. I want to save lives that are being uselessly people being killed by the millions. Its the millions. Its so much worse than the numbers that youre getting which are fake numbers. Look were in for 250 Billion or more because they dont Ask Europe, which is a much bigger beneficiary to getting this thing done than we are. Theyre in for 150 Billion less because biden and you dont have the courage to Ask Europe like i did with nato. They paid billions and billions, hundreds of billions of dollars. When i said either you pay up or were not going to protect you anymore. So thats maybe one of the reasons they dont like me as much as they like weak people but you Take A Look at whats happening. Were in for 250 to 275 billion. Theyre into 100 to 150. They should be forced to equalize with that being said, i want to get the war settled. I know zelenskyy very well and i know putin very well. I have a good relationship and they respect your president , okay . They respect me. They dont respect biden. How would you respect him why . For what reason . He hasnt even made a Phone Call in two years to putin, hasnt spoken to anybody. They dont even try and get it that is a war thats dying to be settled. I will get it settled before i even become president. If i win when im President Elect and what ill do is ill speak to one, ill speak to the other. Ill get them together. That war would have never happened. And in fact, when i saw putin after i left unfortunately left because our country has gone to hell but after i left, when i saw him building up soldiers, he did it. After i left i said, oh, he must be negotiating. It must be a good, strong point of negotiation. Well, it wasnt because biden had no idea how to talk to him. He had no idea how to stop it. And now you have millions of people dead, and its only getting worse. And it could lead to World War three. Dont kid yourself, david were playing with World War iii, and we have a president that we dont even know if hes. Where is our president . We dont even know if hes a president. And just to clarify, he threw him out of a campaign like a dog. We dont even know. Is he our president . But we have a president , mr. President, that doesnt know hes alive. Your time is up. It was just to clarify in the question, do you believe its in the u. S. Best interest for ukraine to win this war, yes or no . I think its the u. S. Best interest to get this war finished and just get it done negotiate a deal. Because we have to stop all of these Human Lives from being destroyed. I want to take this to Vice President harris. I want to get your thoughts on support for ukraine in this moment. But also as Commander In Chief if elected, how would you deal with vladimir putin, and would it be any different from what were seeing from President Biden . Well first of all, its important to remind the former president youre not running against Joe Biden, youre running against me i believe the reason that Donald Trump says that this war would be over within 24 hours is because he would just give it up and thats not who we are. As americans. Lets understand what happened here. I actually met with zelenskyy a few days before russia invaded, tried through force to change territorial boundaries to defy one of the most important international rules and norms, which is the importance of sovereignty and territorial integrity. And i met with president zelenskyy. I shared with him american intelligence about how he could defend himself. Days later, i went to natos Eastern Flank To Poland and romania and through the work that i and others did we brought 50 countries together to support ukraine in its righteous defense and because of our support because of the air defense, the ammunition, the artillery, the javelins, the abrams tanks that we have provided ukraine stands as an independent and free country. If Donald Trump were president , putin would be sitting in kyiv right now and understand what that would mean, because Putins Agenda is not just about ukraine understand why the European Allies and our nato allies are so thankful that you are no longer president and that we understand the importance of the greatest Military Alliance the world has ever known, which is nato and what we have done to preserve the ability of zelenskyy and the ukrainians to fight for their independence. Otherwise putin would be sitting in kyiv with his eyes on the rest of europe starting with poland. And why dont you tell the 800,000 Polish Americans right here in pennsylvania how quickly you would give up for the sake of favor and what you think is a friendship with what is known to be a dictator who would eat you for lunch Vice President harris, thank you. Weve heard from both of you on Ukraine Tonight Afghanistan came up in the last hour i wanted her to respond to something you said earlier. And now, please, ill give you a minute here. Putin would be sitting in moscow and he wouldnt have lost 300,000 men and women, but he would have been sitting in moscow. Quiet, please he would have been sitting in moscow much happier than he is right now. But eventually, you know, hes got a thing that other people dont have. Hes got nuclear weapons. They dont ever talk about that. Hes got nuclear weapons. Nobody ever thinks about that. And eventually, maybe hell use them and maybe he hasnt been that threatening but he does have that something we dont even like to talk about nobody likes to talk about it. But just so you understand, they sent her to negotiate peace before this war started. Three days later, he went in and he started the war because everything they said was weak and stupid they said the wrong things. That war should have never started. She was the emissary. They sent her into negotiate with zelenskyy and putin. And she did. And the war started three days later. And thats the kind of talent we have with her shes worse than biden, in my opinion i think hes the worst president in the history of our country. She goes down as the worst Vice President in the history of our country. But let me tell you something. She is a horrible negotiator they sent her in to negotiate as soon as they left, putin did the invasion. President trump, thank you. You did bring up something you said she went to negotiate with vladimir putin Vice President harris, have you ever met vladimir putin . Can you clarify tonight yet again, i said it at the beginning of this debate. Youre going to hear a bunch of lies coming from this fellow and that is another one. When i went to meet with president zelenskyy, ive now met with him over five times. The reality is it has been about standing as america always should, as a leader, upholding international rules and norms, as a leader who shows Strength Understanding that the alliances we have Around The World are dependent on our ability to look out for our friends and not favor our enemies. Because you adore strongmen instead of caring about democracy. And that is very much what is at stake here the President Of The United States is Commander In Chief, and the american people have a right to rely on a president who understands the significance of Americas Role and responsibility in terms of ensuring that there is stability and ensuring we stand up for our principles and not sell them for the for the benefit of personal flattery. Weve talked about ukraine and vladimir putin. I do want to talk about afghanistan. It came up in the first hour of this debate i want to move on to afghanistan said trump. Did the most amazing thing ive ever seen. He got these countries, the 28 countries at the time, to pay up, he said. Ive never seen hes the head of nato, he said. Ive never seen. For years we were paying almost all of nato. We were being ripped off by European Nations both On Trade and on nato i got them to pay up by saying one of the statements you made before if you dont pay, were not going to protect you. Otherwise we would have never gotten it he said. It was one of the most incredible jobs that hes ever seen done. Thank you. I want to turn to afghanistan. It came up in the first hour of the debate, and we witnessed a poignant Moment Today on Capitol Hill honoring the soldiers who died in the chaotic withdrawal from afghanistan. I do want to ask the Vice President , do you believe you bear any responsibility in The Way that withdrawal played out well, i will tell you, i agreed with President Bidens decision to pull out of afghanistan. Four president s said they would and Joe Biden did and as a result americas taxpayers are not paying the 300 Million a day we were paying for that endless war and as of today, there is not one member of the united States Military who is in active duty in a Combat Zone in any War Zone Around The World. The first time this century. But lets understand how we got to where we are. Donald trump, when he was president , negotiated one of the weakest deals you can imagine. He calls himself a Deal Maker even his national Security Advisor said it was a weak, terrible deal. And heres how it went down he bypassed the afghan government. He negotiated directly with a terrorist organization called the taliban. The negotiation involved the taliban getting 5000 terrorists, taliban terrorists released. And get this, no get this. And the president at the time invited the taliban to Camp David, a place of storied significance for us as americans, a place where we honor the importance of american diplomacy, where we invite and receive respected World Leaders and this former president , as president invited them to Camp David because he does not again, appreciate the role. And responsibility of the President Of The United States to be Commander In Chief with a level of respect. And this gets back to the point of how he has consistently disparaged and demeaned members of our military, fallen soldiers, and the work that we must do to uphold the strength and the respect of the united states of america Around The World. Vice president harris, thank you President Trump. Your response to her saying that you began the negotiations with the taliban so if you Take A Look at that period of time the taliban was killing our soldiers a lot of them, with snipers. And i got involved with the taliban because the taliban was doing the killing. Thats the Fighting Force within afghanistan. They dont bother doing that because, you know, they deal with the wrong people. All the time. But i got involved and abdul is the head of the taliban. He is still the head of the taliban. And i told abdul dont do it anymore. You do it anymore. Youre going to have problems. And he said, why do you send me a picture of my house . I said, youre going to have to figure that out, abdul. And for 18 months we had nobody killed. We did have an agreement negotiated by Mike Pompeo it was a very good agreement. The reason it was good, it was we were getting out. We would have been out faster than them, but we wouldnt have lost the soldiers. We wouldnt have left many americans behind, and we wouldnt have left. We wouldnt have left 85 Million worth of brand new beautiful Military Equipment behind. And just to finish, they blew it. The agreement said, you have to do this. This this, this, this. And they didnt do it. They didnt do it. The agreement was was terminated by us because they didnt do what they were supposed to do. I want to move on. And these people did the worst withdrawal and in my opinion, the most embarrassing moment in the history of our country. And by The Way, thats why russia attacked ukraine because they saw how incompetent she and her boss are President Trump, thank you. I want to move on now to race and politics in this country. Mr. President, you recently said of Vice President harris, quote, i didnt know she was black until a number of years ago when she happened to turn black, and now she wants to be known as black. I want to ask a bigger Picture Question here tonight. Why do you believe its appropriate to weigh in on the racial identity of your opponent . I dont and i dont care. I dont care what she is. I dont care you make a big deal out of something. I couldnt care less whatever she wants to be is okay with me. But those were your words, so im asking. I dont know, i mean, all i can say is i read where she was not black, that she put out. And ill say that. And then i read that she was black. And thats okay. Either one was okay with me. Thats up to her thats up to her. Vice president harris, your thoughts on this i think its i mean, honestly, i think its a tragedy that we have someone who wants to be president , who has consistently, over the course of his career attempted to use race to divide the american people you know, i do believe that the vast majority of us know that we have so much more in common than what separates us, and we dont want this kind of approach that is just constantly trying to divide us, and especially by race and lets remember how Donald Trump started. He was a land he owned land he owned buildings. And he was investigated because he refused to rent property to black families. Lets remember this is the same individual who took out a full Page Ad in the new york times calling for the execution of five young black and latino boys who were innocent. The central park five took out a full Page Ad calling for their execution this is the same individual who spread birther lies about the first black President Of The United States. And i think the american people want better than that. They want better than this, want someone who understands as i do. I travel our country we see in each other a friend. We see in each other, a neighbor we dont want a leader who is constantly trying to have americans point their fingers at each other. I meet with people all the time who tell me, can we please just have discourse about how were going to invest in the aspirations and the ambitions and the dreams of the american people, knowing that regardless of Peoples Color or the language their grandmother speaks we all have the same dreams and aspirations and want a president who invests in those not in Hate And Division Vice President harris, thank you, linsey President Trump, this is now your third time. This is the most divisive presidency in the history of our country. Theres never been anything like it. Theyre destroying our country and they come up with things like what she just said. Going back, many many years when a lot of people including mayor bloomberg, agreed with me on the central park five, they admitted they said they pled guilty. And i said well, if they pled guilty, theyd badly hurt a person, killed a person ultimately. And if they pled guilty, then they pled not guilty. But this is a person that has to stretch back years, 40, 50 years ago because Theres Nothing now. I built one of the greatest economies in the history of the world, and im going to build it again. Its going to be bigger, better, and stronger. But theyre destroying our economy. They have no idea what a good economy is their oil policies, every single policy. And remember this she is biden you know, shes trying to get away from biden. I dont know the gentleman. She says she is biden the worst Inflation Weve ever had a horrible economy because inflation has made it so bad and she cant get away with that. Thank you. Your time is up. I want to respond to that though. I want to just respond briefly clearly. I am not Joe Biden and i am certainly not Donald Trump and what i do offer is a new generation of leadership for our country one who believes in what is possible and one who brings a sense of optimism about what we can do instead of always disparaging the american people. I believe in what we can do to strengthen our small businesses which is why i have a plan. Lets talk about our plans and then lets compare the plans i have a plan to give startup businesses 50,000 Tax Deduction to pursue their ambitions, their innovation, their ideas, their hard work. I have a plan 6,000 for young families, for the first year of your Childs Life to help you in that most critical stage of your childs development. I have a plan that is about allowing people to be able to pursue what has been fleeting in terms of the american dream. By offering a help with down payment of 25,000 down Payment Assistance for first time home buyers thats the kind of conversation i believe, david, that people really want tonight, as opposed to a conversation that is constantly about belittling and name calling. Lets turn the page. Vice president harris thank you. Lets turn to policy. Lets turn to policy. Move on. President trump lets turn to policy. Please plan to Defund The Police she has a plan to confiscate everybodys gun. President trump, she has a plan to not allow fracking in pennsylvania or anywhere else. Thats what her plan is until just recently. I just need President Trump, President Trump has said something twice that i need to respond to. Im sorry. Were going to were going to move on. Vice president to President Trump this is now your third time running for president. You have long vowed to repeal and replace the affordable Care Act, also known as obamacare. You have failed to accomplish that. You now say youre going to keep obamacare, quote, unless we can do something much better. Last month you said, quote, were working on it. So tonight, nine years after you first started running, do you have a plan and can you tell us what it is . Obamacare was lousy Health Care always was. Its not very good today. And what i said that if we come up with something and we are working on things, were going to do it and were going to replace it. But remember this i inherited obamacare because democrats wouldnt change it. They wouldnt vote for it. They were unanimous. They wouldnt vote to change it if they would have done that, we would have had a much better plan than obamacare but the democrats came up. They wouldnt vote for it. I had a choice to make when i was president. Do i save it and make it as good as it can be, never going to be great, or do i let it rot . And i felt i had an obligation, even though politically it would have been good to just let it rot and let it go away. I decided, and i told my people the top people, and theyre very good people. I have a lot of good people in that administration. We read about the bad ones. We had some real bad ones too, and so do they. They have really bad ones. The difference is they dont get rid of them. But let me just explain i had a choice to make. Do i save it and make it as good as it can be . Or do i let it rot and i saved it. I did the right thing, but it still never going to be great. And its too expensive for people and what we will do is were looking at different plans. If we can come up with a plan thats going to cost our people, our population less money and be better Health Care than obamacare, then i would absolutely do it. But until then, id run it as good as it can be run. So just a yes or no . You still do not have a plan. I have concepts of a plan. Im not president. Right now, but if we come up with something i would only change it if we come up with something thats better and less expensive and there are concepts and options we we have to do that. And youll be hearing about it in the not too distant future. Vice president harris, in 2017, you supported Bernie Sanders Proposal to do away with private insurance and create a government run Health Care system. Two years later, you proposed a plan that included a private insurance option. What is your Plan Today . Well, first of all, i absolutely support and over the last four years as Vice President private Health Care options. But what we need to do is maintain and grow the affordable Care Act. But ill get to that. Linsey. I just need to respond to a previous point that the former president has made. Ive made very clear my position on fracking. And then this business about taking everyones guns away. Tim walz and i are both gun owners. Were not taking anybodys guns away so stop with the continuous lying about this stuff as it relates to the affordable Care Act. Understand just look at the history to know where people stand when Donald Trump was president , 60 times, he tried to get rid of the affordable Care Act 60 times. I was a senator at the time when i will never forget the early morning hours when it was up for a vote in the united States Senate and the late great John Mccain who you have disparaged as being a you dont like him. You said at the time, because he got caught, he was an american hero, the late, great John Mccain. I will never forget that night walked onto the Senate Floor and said no, you dont know you dont know. You dont get rid of the affordable Care Act. You have no plan. And what the affordable Care Act has done is eliminate the ability of insurance companies to deny people with preexisting conditions i dont have to tell the people watching tonight, you remember what that was like remember when an Insurance Company could deny if a child had asthma . If someone was a breast cancer survivor, if a if a grandparent had diabetes and thankfully, as ive been Vice President and we over the last four years have strengthened the affordable Care Act, we have allowed for the first time, medicare to negotiate drug prices on behalf of you. The american people. Donald trump said he was going to allow medicare to negotiate drug prices. He never did. We did. And now we have capped the cost of insulin at 35 a month. Since ive been Vice President , we have capped the cost of Prescription Medication for seniors at 2,000 a year. And when i am president , we will do that for all people. Understanding that the value i bring to this is that access to Health Care should be a right and not just a privilege of those who can afford it. And the plan has to be to strengthen the affordable Care Act, not get rid of it. Passed as prolog in terms of where Donald Trump stands on that, i want to move to an issue thats important for a lot of a Mistake And Number one, John Mccain fought obamacare for ten years, but it wasnt only him. It was all of the democrats that kept it going. And you know what we can do much better than obamacare, much less money. But she wont improve private insurance for people. Private medical insurance, thats another thing. She doesnt want to get. People are paying privately for insurance that have worked hard and made money, and they want to have private she wants everybody to be on Government Insurance where you wait six months for an operation that you need immediately. President trump, thank you. We have another issue that wed like to get to thats important for a number of americans, in particular, younger voters and thats climate change. President trump with regard to the environment, you say that we have to have clean air and clean water. Vice president harris, you call climate change an existential threat. The question to you both tonight is what would you do to fight climate change . And Vice President harris will start with you one minute for you each. Well, the former president has said that climate change is a hoax and what we know is that it is very real. You ask anyone who lives in a state who has experienced these extreme weather occurrences, who now is either being denied Home Insurance or its being jacked up. You ask anybody who has been the victim of what that means in terms of losing their home, having nowhere to go. We know that we can actually deal with this issue. The young people of America Care deeply about this issue, and i am proud that as Vice President over the last four years, we have invested a trillion dollars in a clean Energy Economy while we have also increased domestic Gas Production to historic levels. We have created over 800,000 new manufacturing jobs. While i have been Vice President , we have invested in clean energy to the point that we are opening up factories Around The World, Donald Trump said he was going to create manufacturing jobs. He lost manufacturing jobs. And im also proud to have The Endorsement of the united auto workers. And sean fain, who also know that part of building a clean Energy Economy includes investing in american made products american automobiles. It includes growing what we can do around american Manufacturing And Opening up auto plants, not closing them like happened under Donald Trump. Vice president harris, thank you. That didnt happen under Donald Trump. Let me just tell you, they lost 10,000 manufacturing jobs this last month. Its going theyre all leaving. Theyre building big auto plants in mexico. In many cases owned by china. Theyre building these massive plants and they think theyre going to sell their cars into the united states because of these people. What they have given to china is unbelievable but were not going to let that. Well put tariffs on those cars so they cant come into our country because they will kill the united auto workers and any auto worker, whether its in detroit or South Carolina or any other place. What theyve done to Business And Manufacturing in this country is horrible. We have nothing because they refuse. You know, biden doesnt go after people because supposedly china paid him millions of dollars. Hes afraid to do it between him and his son. They get all this money from ukraine, they get all this money from all of these different countries and then you wonder, why is he so loyal to this one . That one . Ukraine, china why is he, why did he get 3. 5 Million from the mayor of Moscows Wife . Why did he get. Why did she pay him 3. 5 Million . This is a crooked administration, and theyre selling our country down the tubes President Trump, thank you. Thank you. Well be right back with Closing Statements from both of our candidates. An historic night. This abc News President ial debate from philadelphia. Back in a moment with the abc News President ial debate, will continue after this theres three things i aint changing i aint changing wives. Im not changing sexual orientation. Im not changing political parties. Were going to go to the house with what we got here. Okay . Carville saturday, october 5th, On Cnn. Take control of your health by boosting your force field. The immune system with the Aura Ring you can listen to your bodys signals and raise your defenses. Aura tells you when your temperature is higher than normal. 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