Shooting into the Golf Course . You when the shots go off, there are going to be people very close to the gunshots calling 911. So theres a lot of information out there i suspect. Yeah, i know. I wonder chief, could you help underscore the complications of already its very difficult and challenging for you his detail, especially after an attempted assassination, but now were talking about on a Golf Course you know, obviously he has his own security there at his international Golf Course there. And that in addition to his own secret Service Detail, but give us an idea about the complications of trying to provide security anticipate any and all things while the former president is playing golf well, i mean, the Secret Service is trained in that area. I mean, we know he was on the Golf Course. I dont think we know yet whether or not the shots were fired from the Golf Course or or not . It could have been outside the Golf Course. We just dont know and as steve said before, you know, one of the keys is to find out where did the shots occur mean you need to track down either through eyewitnesses, ear witnesses, looking for Shell Casings, all the kinds of things you would normally do. Now if they had technology, theyre like Shotspotter Or Something like that. They could pinpoint within a very small area where the shots actually took place. I dont know if they have that kind of technology or not, but it is a challenge. Its difficult, especially when you have someone who likes to get out laid off going. A lot of rallies, indoor, outdoor. It is it is incredibly challenging but again, Secret Service are trained for that and they will be very aggressive and taking action to protect mr. Trump and any of the other candidates all right. Gentlemen. Thank you so much. Hold on for a second. Its the top of the hour. We just want to remind folks if youre just now tuning in with this Breaking News that were following boeing former president Donald Trumps campaign says, he is safe after gunshots were fired in the vicinity of where he was playing golf a short time ago. Were just now learning that the Palm Beach County Sheriffs Office will speak shortly at about 3 15 eastern time. Of course, well monitor that. If not be able to take it live cnns Kristen Holmes is joining us. Im back on the phone now, helping to first report this out. So the statement coming from the Trumpvance Campaign Site what have you since learned . Do we have learned exactly where this took place we are told by sources familiar with the event that had happened today while Donald Trump was playing golf, he was at his Trump International Golf Course, which is in West Palm Beach, florida. This is a different location than his maralago resort, which is in Palm Beach. We are still trying to get the details of what exactly that looked like, what we are told that the club went into immediate lockdown. Weve also now gotten a statement from Secret Service that says it Secret Service is investigating what they are calling a protective incidents following trump and following those gunshots being fired. So this is clearly an evolving situation we are still trying to understand what exactly the gunshots look like. And i heard you talking to one of your former guest about his security and just to explain as somebody who has followed this closely since that Shooting Assassination attempts in butler, pennsylvania, trump has had an extraordinary amplification of the security around him that includes when he has those at home with Local Pd, as well as traveling with Local Pd, as well as with Secret Service. That means that he has people traveling with him at all times. Ive seen him on the Golf Course. Ive seen the videos of him on the Golf Course. He has he goes around one cart. He has Secret Service in the cart behind him the amount of people traveling with him has also gone up since that Assassination Attempt. They have been amplifying that, again, both with Local Pd and with Secret Service. The other thing to keep in mind that they have done is they have tried to block off specific roads now, whats interesting about that, fred, is that a lot of the roads that we know that they have blocked off or actually at his maralago resort, making it impossible for people to get close or to stop. Not clear what they have done. If anything, around this second property. So thatll be interesting for seemed to figure out what exactly they had in terms of Security Protocols in place. Just a reminder, even regardless of what exactly happened, the idea that gunshots could be fired within the vicinity close the Secret Service is investigating now that be campaign put out a Statement Saying that they were that she was safe. Is pretty extraordinary, given the level of protection that he has right now and the fact that there was an Assassination Attempt on the former well, president earlier this summer. Again, course, we are still learning the details. We are learning. We are trying to figure out exactly what they mean when they say fired within the vicinity. But you have to take into account the fact that the Secret Service says that they are investigating this incident that is not a random statement. They are going to be investigating an incident in fact that occurred near protectees not just any old incident that maybe happened miles away. It would have had to have potentially some kind of Rubber Caution on. Their protectee or some kind of relation to their protectee. And i will tell you that i was also told by the course went into immediate lockdown after for this happened. Obviously that is protocol. As they tried to figure out what exactly happened, ive talked to a number of Law Enforcement sources who are still piecing together the details im assuming that were going to learn more about this as you said, and about ten minutes when those when we finally hear from the Law Enforcement on what exactly they have uncovered. But it does seem to still be. The details are still coming together. Fred. So what we know now again, just just to, just to reiterate, is that shots were fired. Theres Secret Service is investigating Donald Trump with on Lockdown Playing Golf in West Palm Beach at florida international Golf Club when this happened, Kristen Holmes. Thank you so much. Well get back with you. I want to bring back my Law Enforcement experts now and also add to the mix formerly of the u. S Secret Service, Jonathan Wackrow is with us and again, Charles Ramsey back with me as well as Steve Moore want to wonder jonathan, if i could go to you first and talk to me about, you the role of the Secret Service in this investigation. At the same time, continuing to offer protection to the former president fred. At this, i just want to expand a little bit about a little bit on what Kristen Holmes just reported about the enhanced secret Service Protection around the former president. I think thats really important here because what weve seen recently in the expansion of the protective agents that are around the former president is around really the outer perimeter that early warning in the Secret Service they refer to it as a Counter Surveillance and they work oftentimes with local police especially around Golf Courses. Weve done this for years dating back to you the bush administration, where weve had Golf Course protocols that were put into place, thinking about the thinking about like the concentric rings of protection away from the protectee. So what we have here is weve most likely have shots that were fired in the vicinity, probably on the perimeter of the of the Golf Course, proximately recognized by one of these, either local Police Departments or Secret Service agents, which initiated that lockdown that we heard. The Secret Service has a welldefined protocols you take the protectee and move them immediately and the open air spaces into armor. So ideally they move them into the protective limousine. The armored limousine, or into a safe location at the clubhouse. All of this stuff is practiced by the Secret Service time and time again. In here again but of an abundance of caution. Never they hear that there are shots being fired within the openair environment of a protectee. They are going to take the proactive measure of immediately moving them into a safe location from an investigative standpoint, that protective intelligence agents that are now assigned to the former president are working with coco Law Enforcement to identify the shooter, and theyll want to conduct a Field Interview immediately to assess was this a targeted attack against the former president or is this a Criminal Act within the region that actually had no factor to the former president himself okay. Thank you so much. At a jonathan and so Chief Ramsey, to you there will be this coordination we just heard it underscored by Jonathan Wackrow, though. The coordination between local police and the Sheriffs Office and a Secret Service. How will they parcel out . I guess duties . Directions into this investigation i would imagine the local Law Enforcement would be the lead until a point in time or less point in time where it looks as if there was an actual threat toward the former president. If thats the case, then of course the Secret Service would take over. But right now, i dont know what they have and until we have a Press Conference to really explain what took place a lot of us just speculation. I mean, johns absolutely right in terms of the procedures and th ns but they did the right thing. Youve got to get him to a safe location you have to immediate it doesnt matter until you sort things out. And eventually they will sort it out. But at this point in time, is just ongoing maybe theyll have enough to tell us something concreted. 315 maybe not at 3 15. But the Bottom Line is mr. Trump is safe thats the Bottom Line. And thats whats important at this point in time. Very important cnn is now learning from a Law Enforcement official that a car has been stopped in that general area as it pertains to this investigation, John Miller is also with us now and john, i understand you have some reporting youre learning from your sources about the weapon that may have been a type of weapon that may have been used here. And where the suspicion or the motive, the direction of it is going right now so i mean, ill caveat this with this is unfolding rapidly. So all of this information is preliminary and it may shift and change as weve seen before. But what we are looking at is starting to come into focus a little more sharply so this is what we have right now from Law Enforcement sources who have been briefed on this. And it appears that around 2 00 shots were fired at the Golf Course possibly coming from the Tree Line while former President Trump was playing golf. The Secret Service identified the direction and the shooter returned fire at that gunman who were able to provide a description of an individual and a vehicle. We are told that if vehicle that is close to that description has been stopped by Palm Beach County police possibly in martin county, just over the line, and that they are holding that individual for the purposes of identification to see if the witness is can identify that person or there is evidenced in that car that may connect him in the meantime in the meantime, in the area of the shootings, sources say they recovered a backpack and a semiautic Automatic Rifle that was described as an Ak 47. And the preliminary reporting and a Gopro Camera the last piece is very interesting because it suggests if there was such a camera there, that this individual may have wanted to record himself no firstperson doing the shooting. So a lot of questions to be answered is the suspect they have the right person is not the right car the weapon that they have has to be processed for evidence and ballistics if Theres Video on that camera. If in fact it was recovered as we are told what will that tell them but that is what we are seeing right now. So whats the direction here the direction here is the same as We Saw in pennsylvania which is if this was a directed assault against former President Trump the Secret Service and local Law Enforcement have had the handle on that in the immediate sense. But it would become an Fbi Investigation as an assault on a former Government Official who is under protection. And we are going to be seeing and hearing a lot about this in the hours and days to come. Well, all those details are quite extraordinary. John. And just for clarity, to make sure i heard everything properly when you say a backpack, backpack and a semiautomatic weapon, Ak 47 were recovered that that you know, semiautomatic weapon. The inference has not been made that it was necessarily used in this incident, but that one has been recovered and an individual has also been stopped when we say just one person, were not saying that that person was also in the company of any others, correct thats right. Although as im getting it from sources, the weapon was recovered at the scene and and again, we know this information can shift and change, but the presumption is that that would be the weapon that was used in this assault. Steve miller, formerly of the fbi, we heard you know, John Talking there about Stephen War rather talking about how the fbi would be involved here, if not leading the investigation i guess phil, in some of the blanks on how that would happen well, as John Said once the crime has occurred, that was directed at the president , then the Secret Service steps back and give the fbi that investigation. So theyre not encumbered, providing ongoing security. They cant just be doing when all these things at the same time. The Information John gave is obviously just kind of startling it goes back to what we were saying about getting aerial assets out there to see what might have been left on the course by the shooter i stunned by the fact that there were shots returned and this has gone from something that appeared to be coincidental to something that is is going to be remembered for years. Yeah, i mean, it is really extraordinary and Chief Ramsey yes. To hear John Miller also reveal their through this information that these shots were fired through the Tree Line, that there was a Return Fire coming from the Secret Service of course, we dont know or unless john, youve learned this to what kind of distance were talking about do you have you heard anything about the distance involved here . Okay. No. Alright. So charles ramsay, i mean, give me your reaction here to this kind of detail that were hearing. Again, preliminary startled well, first of all, john has incredible sources and he just does it time and time again. Hes able to get information very quickly. And if those sources are correct, i have no reason to believe that that, theyre not if its coming from john, he double checks things. This changes everything it changes everything. And the way in which they go about investigating this. Now is going to be different. And again, like steve said, if there was an exchange of gunfire where they so you can service agents or some Law Enforcement actually fired at a suspect again, this is rapidly unfolding. Information does change sometimes the first information you get is not 100 accurate, but its close enough to know that this isnt just some random thing were to gangbangers shooting at each other outside the Golf Course. This sounds like much more than that and it will be handled accordingly. So well find out more information they will be having a presser at some point in time, but this may delay depressor. This is a lot of information that theyre going to have to go grow and do as much as they can to substantiate before they actually go before the public, right john, with any investigation, eyewitness accounts is huge. I mean, its its its paramount. And talk to me now about likely what is happening now with Law Enforcement trying to work together or to talk to as many people as they can from all of these angles, if were talking about a vehicle on a road in the periphery, a Tree Line, it would mean someone getting out of the vehicle, someone possibly eyewitnessing this person walking through the woods. I mean, there are a lot of potential eyeballs that might be involved here well, there are and i mean, were seeing that literally unfold in action as we kind of go through these accounts, because weve heard accounts from witnesses who called into the police saying that there were individuals shooting at each other on the outside of the perimeter of the golf the Golf Course what is coming into focus now because that Story Kind of took it away from, oh, well, these werent shots at Donald Trump. These were shots being fired between two other people, is it is most likely that that was the Secret Service agents pursuing this subject and shooting back and forth or returning fire, which caused those witness statements to emerge i also think youre seeing the Law Enforcement action here. Between the rapid engagement of the Secret Service, returning fire with apparently more than one agent, possibly more than one agent and a description of a car Palm Beach County. And its Law Enforcement partners then clicking on those technologies cameras what do we have for License Plate readers . Do we have a License Plate on that car or a partial . Can we scan those readers and put that over the Air And Alert more units for a stop. At any event, did stop a possible suspect in a car matching the possible description. And theyre sorting through that person now and trying to get those witnesses who saw him to at him and again possibly in a field show up and see if they can confirm. Is this the person they saw fleeing . And of course, then theres going to be the matter of that automobile. Whether they go through it in the course of exigent circumstances for safety reasons were lock that down for a Search Warrant. All of this will all of this is still unfolding as we are talking about it again, we owe was that huge if somebody was about to say something . Okay. Sorry. Just all these interesting signals. Karasic. All right. Thank you so much, John Miller, hold on gentlemen, because i want to bring in cnns Sunlen Serfaty at the White House because they understand that the harris campaign, and of course the sitting president fed, have all been informed of whats going on. What are you learning . Thats absolutely right, fred growth, Vice President harris, and President Biden have been briefed on this incident and theyre expressing that there are relief that former President Trump is safe now this just in from a white House Officials saying in a statement, quote, the president and Vice President ive been briefed about this Security Incident at the Trump International Golf Course, where former President Trump was golfing. They are relieved to know that he is safe. They will be kept right . Regularly, updated by their team. So that notable coming from the White House and as ongoing situation as we continue to learn more, fred and notably of the Vice President and the president are both here. For in washington, dc. Pre