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So sit back, relax, and lets talk about focus for both candidates this week wasnt the economy or immigration it was political rhetoric, especially after a second apparent Assassination Attempt against Donald Trump the campaigns blaming each other while keeping up their attacks, which in One Ohio Town has led to dozens of Bomb Threats i probably took a bullet to the head because of the things that they say about me, Donald Trump doubling down on that debate line, blaming democrats again, after the second case of a gunman appearing to stalk him saying their rhetoric is causing me to be shot out, cut it out, or youre gonna get somebody killed running Mate Jd fans hitting democrats for their Comments Trump is a threat to our democracy, but both parties have engaged in inflammatory attacks. Hes a marxist, communist, fascist, now threatening language, turning into actual threats in springfield, ohio, where schools shut down and the cities had dozens a Bomb Threats as Vance And Trump keep repeating lies about haitian migrants Eating Pets. If i have to create stories so that the american media actually pays attention to the suffering of the american people. Then thats what im going to do. Whatever happens to trump while he never got out of springfield, even as ohios republican governor calls for an end to the law, the statements are wrong, and frankly, it needs to stop here with me today. Podcaster Journalist And Author Kara Swisher Reihan salam, president of the Manhattan Institute and National Review, Contributing Editor New York Times journalist in the Interview Podcast Host Lulu Garcia Navarro and jim gary, writer for the Washington Post and National Review senior political Correspondent Welcome back everyone. Jim is democratic rhetoric, more inflammatory than what were hearing from the republicans . Thats a really high bar to clear now, when you run around saying Donald Trump is a threat to democracy, is it conceivable that some nutjob out there says, oh, my goodness, well, i better do something about that. You could happen. We have the report of the nutjob up at alaska, who sounds like a couple of hundred harbaugh frying, threatening messages to the Supreme Court Justices but the thing is, right now, most of the time when Kamala Harris goes out there, just want to say anything controversial doesnt want to step on any kind of potential landmine. Trump on his truth, Social Feed will retweet anything from anybody. And Theres Plenty of stuff thats in there its incendiary thats riling people up and all kinds of stuff. So look, its only going to be in the Beholder But Trump has a really high bar to clear when it comes to being worse and more incendiary Elon Musk, who is always angry anxious to throw War Gasoline on the fire contributed this to the conversation and no one is even trying to assassinate biden kamala lulu, are democrats in any way to blame for these actions, these attempted assassinations of trump and is particularly when i talk as jim mentioned about the idea yeah, that he poses a threat to democracy and the future of the country. I think we have to acknowledge at the moment that we are in a very perilous place in this country where political violence has become part of the experience of the election and that is shocking. So leaving aside the rhetoric and why it happened, the fact is that it is happening more and more. And it is part of the the kind of weigh that elections now get conducted in the united states of america assigning blame for this is to me a pretty depressing State Of Affairs because everyone can point fingers at Everybody Else at this point. I mean, i think trumps rhetoric has absolutely injected for the last eight Years Country into this kind of cesspool that it is. But in terms of rhetoric, but i also think that we really have to look at these kind of an insane people that are taking matters into their own hands. And that isnt about the rhetoric and i think let me just say Elon Musk took that down and it was being investigated at the Secret Service as it should have and its nonsense what, he was saying. He of course, needs attention at all times and so he has to weigh in on everything from Taylor Swift to this. But whats really going on and i think its hard to do is we all are discussing rhetoric and how we treat each other when foreign adversaries are trying to gin up all kinds of discord between and among people. Know but hes paying attention to that. And you know, musk did get some this week. The question of iran hacking, of course, not just around hacking, but paying money, russia paying money to certain podcasters that the issue is its a bigger issue than that, and were all getting dragged into it. And these different people are creating it. And a lot of times with someone like musk or trump, every accusation is a confession as far as i can tell. Well, were going to talk about it some more because it is going on this, this rhetoric and the impact its having those, the tinderbox in springfield, ohio about haitian immigrants Eating Pets. The Wall Street Journal did a great report this week, found that the town, City Manager told me hold a Vance Staffer there was no verifiable evidence or reports to show this was true. The idea about Eating Pets in City Manager told them these claims were baseless, but the next day from repeated the lie in his debate with harris kara, why have Trump And Vance continued to make up lies about whats going on in springfield, ohio because the Number One rule of propaganda is to repeat it and repeat it and repeat it again because they are lying and thats what theyre doing and it works and it gets through to some people and the ones that think its silly, including some of their own followers. They just like there just being crazy. They dont, it doesnt matter because they have such expression on hearing this week. A lot is high floor, a low ceiling. Theyre not going to lose these people in the high floor, dont care, but it does something i think even more pernicious here, which it takes a group of people like the haitians who are here legally, let us lets be clear who went to springfield to get jobs . Im just because he needed workers. There not being placed there by the federal government as has been implied. And what it does is it makes it shows division between people that there are some real americans who are actually, whose stories deserve to be told him deserve to be heard by the media and these haitians somehow are flipping harm. Reihan, there are Real Life consequences here. Schools are shut down. There have been dozens of Bomb Threats. Why are Trump And Vance continuing to hit these lies about whats going on in springfield . So j. D vance, as the senator from ohio, and as such, he regularly hears from his constituents. There have been theres been talk about incidents along these lines and peoples pets going missing in springfield, ohio since back in march, these appear to largely be rumors that are unfounded. However, after that conversation that the Wall Street Journal for reported on happened then vance received further reports about this according to his senate office. This is something that is ongoing where they are verifiable claims have sought, pet was stolen from somebodys house, and that a haitian Migrant Aid It . Not that i know of. Well, what i will say that but what i will say is this, they are hearing these complaints and whats better vance was seeking to do. Im going to use attention to what is happening in springfield, ohio and baseless he then drew attention to this in a tweet. Then president , the former president trump, excuse me, raise this in a debate. This then spiral into a much larger story when i believe that Senator Vance was trying to draw attention to what was happening now because i think this did there are a lot of controls in the toilet. This is what this is and hes just this was not he was not lying about the reports that he and then he should stop because rumor is a rumor. He should stop he is talking about a range of issues. He has not focusing on this. This is when were talking about haitians Eating Pets in springfield, ohio. Hes not talking about range of now, what do you know he is or a lie or its true . What hes he continues to this office, continues to receive reports about this, which they were trying to chase down an understand. Look, i do not believe that this was the right rhetorical tack to take, but i do believe that he is not being deceptive or moral tax i believe that he cares deeply about everyone in Springfield And Everyone in ohio, but thats not im not here to speak on his behalf as your question, im im really curious if im trying to offer some contexts you guys are claiming that he is getting what hes put what im curious about is you have j. D. Vance, who is the senator from ohio, and that is true. And you have it is public and run state. You have the governor, you have the republican mayor. You have republican representatives all saying that this is false, defamatory, and more than that hurtful to the community, the people that supposedly both Trump And Vance are trying to help. And so this is the same Senator Vance who is speaking out about the people of east palestine, ohio youre not going to switch to another person time talking about sleepy old Ohio Reihan so i mean, lets stay on the subject. What im saying something very simple, which is that hes hearing from people who normally are not listened to. Hes hearing from people normally not trusted and discount theyre not talking about. Were talking about the fact it would happen sure. It and its also just not really in jim, i dont know what there are 1,000,001 legitimate gripes. You can make about bidens immigration policy. Biden asylum policy, the border. All i kind of stuff. Instead, Donald Trump, who doesnt like to bother with the Policy Details on the debate stage, went with the thing was probably very easy to remember. It just see this, theyre eating the cats. Theyre eating the dogs. Very simple, very easy to remember. And thats what gets out there and i suppose in some really cynical argument, you could say, well, thats not true, but it gets people talking about patients again, but its far too much of a transitive property. I just love to have a candidate who knew what he was talking about. I think theres no question that this is not think this is not the way they be literally just said, im going to keep calling them illegal aliens, even though theyre not hes doubling. He just said that and i think what is what is happening with this person that he cant sorry, which Person Or J. D. Vance. Why cant he stop really . I think that Senator Vance is in an extremely challenging Media Environment right now. I think that hes made some bad calls and i also think that the ferocious response to it has elicited a response that has not been entirely constructive from him. And i think its a really rough situation for the campaign, but i also think that this has moved the focus to the Border Chaos and the Migration Issue for what its worth. Im making up a lot i do Capitol Hill, the fight for control of congress is in full swing two issues taking Center Stage that may determine which party wins the majority. 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These were preventable deaths, but Georgias Governor putting the blame on liberals, his spokesperson saying they would likely both be alive today if partisan actor this and socalled journalists had not spread such agreed just miss Information And Propaganda that fostered a culture of Fear And Confusion reihan, why do senate republicans keep blocking . And this is the second time this week, the democrats Ivf Bill well, there was an Ivf Bill introduced by Senator Ted Cruz and Senator Katie Britt that was narrowly focused on protecting ivf that didnt raise some of the other concerns that republican senators have raised about this most recent democratic proposal. So i think that its not fair to say that they dont want to protect ivf. I think there was a lot of concern about some of the other provisions that Senator Cotton mentioned during that segment. Kara this all started when the Alabama Supreme Court ruled that frozen embryos that are destroyed dispose job as part but the Ivf Process could be viewed as persons the State Legislature run by the gop then protected ivf which raises the question that i raised in the piece, is this really just a bunch of show votes by democrats prized, but i agree with ryan, this is Ivf Theater here and that said the gop deserves it because of the sort of retro grade things. And so this is a political season. Theyre going to do this. So im not particularly offended that theyre doing it. What i would like is them to g