Start the clock thank you people. Hi, everybody. How are you doing thank you i appreciate it. Thank you very much all right, sit down. We have so much. This show, i mean unbelievable, the amount of news we have to cover it. Its a good Thing Weve stopped clapping so lets not bury the lead. The big story this week that tried to shoot trump again. Lets not not funny this okay. Im being serious now. This is the second time this happened. I said this before. There can be no fuzz on this. This is not funny, okay . Its not okay. Its not okay to wish it happened problem people. Well look, this happens too frequently. Im sorry. This happened on the golf course. A guy was laying in wait, and it happens too much. In fact, besides the shooter, there were other two other shooters beside him waiting to play through this has got to stop course, the nra had to come out with a statement. This is no time to talk about gun control. They said guns do not kill people. Pagers kill people other big story this week the fight with hezbollah is on. Theyre in the middle east. And the Way Israel did it some pretty amazing, you know terrorists know this for a long time. The first thing you got to do, get rid of your Cell Phone because they could track you there. So theyve been using Old School pagers. And the israelis this week made all the pagers blow up in what they call operation 1980s Drug Dealer israel man. They they took the fight from their river to their pants they im telling you, nobodys in the mood to take any shit. These days. Did you see kamala with Oprah Winfrey . Asked her about owning a gun, and kamala said anybody who breaks into my house is getting shot accused her of turning even blacker trump is losing his mind. Hes losing his mind. Hes losing his cool and hes going to lose the election. Uh, well, you know, i thank you thats it my marker on that last week. Made my prediction. But this im telling you, even for him, its going off the rails. He keeps saying now kids are undergoing Sex Change operations at school. At school were doing it at school. Wow. When i was nervous for Picture Day oh at school know, in that Case Girls who want to become boys you got to get them early before first period. And then is a republican who was who was the candidate for Governor Governor in North Carolina named mark robinson. Hes a super Christ Jesus loving, hard right, conservative africanamerican man. And then cnn has dug up a lot of his past. Thats what happens when you run. Okay. He was on all these websites. He liked tranny porn, didnt care about abortion, he said. And he wanted to or intimated he would like to bring back slavery. And of course, the republican reaction to this is predictable awful, unforgivable continue yes yes. And he also referred to himself as a Black Nazi also posted that he spied on women in the girls locker room. So hes a Peeping Tom and an uncle tom. Thats something new. Ive never for 25 years. When you think the republicans cant go lower, they do they i mean, a Black Nazi. And i think it is, you know on his website, he referred to his penis as Pee Wee german uh and this is and this is embarrassing because the Trump Campaign has a rally scheduled for North Carolina tomorrow. And they told mark robinson, you are no longer welcome there. Absolutely not. This is for white nazis only theyre not nazis republicans want to replace him with someone less freaky. But diddys in jail, so oh, that well, i mean, come on, that is that is an american tragedy story. I mean, P Diddy i dont know if anybodys fallen from that height. I mean, this guy is worth they say over 400 Million from basically sources owning a Record Label Brand affiliation and buying lube in bulk i this . They dont want to judge a book by its cover but they seized A Thousand bottles of Lube And Baby oil in his house because he was having these parties they called freak off, which went on for days. Sometimes people needed iv. They were partying so hard and, you know, a freak off. Im all good with it bothered me about it is do you bring a gift and i would then youre like, well, ill bring Baby Oil and then you get there. Oh, everybody brought their put it with you on it. Its just. But i mean, i dont know if hes ever going to see the light of day again hes in jail. They wouldnt even give him bail. I mean, the Charges Sex Trafficking forced labor, kidnaping, arson bribery, Obstruction Of Justice and you may say arson. Thats going a little bit too far, but you try putting out a Baby Oil fire. All right weve got a great show. We have Bret Stephens and Stephanie Ruhle the birth 101 episode was overwhelming. The idea that this fictional character played any role in politics is bananas. 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At Fisher Investments, were clearly different. Im Natasha Bertrand at the pentagon. And this is cnn up, he is a danish political Scientist And Author of the recently rereleased book False Alarm how climate Change Panic costs us trillions, hurts the poor and fails to fix the planet. Bjorn Lomborg Bjorn how are you sir . How are you while. Thank you. Okay all right. Im so glad youre here. Because we can talk about environment every time we have a political campaign in this country. It becomes the forgotten issue. People care about it. They care about it, and they care about it and then they just dont seem to want to talk about it. Maybe because it doesnt poll very well. But, i mean, you are a skeptic of a lot of what goes on about what people say about how dire climate change is. And i think thats good. I think we need skepticism, but i must say, i am skeptical of you. You should be. Exactly. We all just need to be skeptical. So first of all, youve never been paid by anybody, right . Like an Oil Company no, we dont take money from oil companies. And the important part here is to remember that what were talking about is really just saying, what does the science tell us and what does the economics tell us . Yeah climate change is a real problem. It is one of the things that we need to fix in the 21st century. But its not this armageddon that its been made out to be. You know, you hear on the news, these catastrophic, calamitous Calamitous Climate stories, all the time. But these are very carefully selected. Worst case scenarios, often based on ultra unrealistic. Ive seen you do the opposite. Sorry. Ive seen you do the opposite. Okay well, ive. Its a while ago. Im not remembering what year, but maybe its 15 years. Are you saying that Sea Levels in the last two years hadnt risen . But if you look at the chart over time, they are but if you cherry pick two years, i mean thats what the Climate Deniers always did. And i know you are not in denial. I wouldnt have you on if you were. But the point i was, i was trying to make, there was actually and you can read the whole story and it was in the Guardian Newspaper and the point i was trying to make was you constantly hear this thing is getting incredibly bad. And then a couple of years later, it doesnt. On the sea level rise, it was actually such that those two years were going down. But obviously i even said it is going to go back up. But the point here is that we cant make these arguments just to show Heres Something thats really terrible goarpeop agree that i really hate it when people want to manipulate me. You know try to move me to just tell me the truth okay but but i feel like the title of the book, False Alarm. I dont like that. I think that goes way too far. Its not a False Alarm, right . All right so . So its false in the sense that were being told this is the end of The World. A lot of people believe this is really the end of The World. A new oecd survey. And it could be not tomorrow, but it could be, you know, dick cheney, when we were fighting terrorism, said if theres a 1 chance this is their reasoning to go into iraq, which was stupid okay. If theres a 1 chance we should treat it like it could happen, i feel like this is more than a 1 chance. Okay. Im going to show you some of the data that actually indicates this is a problem, but its not the end of The World. By any means. So theres two of The Worlds leading Climate Economists. One is richard tol, one of the most quoted Climate Economists from from this year. And the other one is william nordhaus, the guy who got the only nobel prize in climate economics. They both made estimates across all the different estimates of how bad is climate change going to be by the end of the century, at a three Degree Centigrade or 5. 4f Temperature rise the cost is going to be somewhere gdp. But what will The Ocean look like . I mean, im not talking about oceans rising. Im talking about oceans dying and the World Cant live without dead oceans. And it seems like theyre in bad shape. Between all the plastic in them, theyre overfished. I mean, theres very many places have are too acidic coral know youve talked about. Oh thats exaggerated. Tell me about why you think the Coral Reef Problem is exaggerated. Thats just the data. So can i just finish the other point i was trying to make before we go on to the Coral Reefs. So 2 to 3 of global gdp is a problem. But remember, by the end of the century, the un estimates the average person on the planet will be 450 as rich as he or she is today. So that means instead of being 450 as rich, we will feel like were only 435 as rich. Yes, thats a problem. No, its not the end of The World. On the on the Coral Reef bit. So how does rich fix The Ocean . No. So on the Coral Reef bit, we have a situation where we have on great barrier reef. So The Worlds biggest Coral Reef the australian marine scientific institute. Sorry, i cant remember what theyre called but theyre the guys who do the data every year on the Coral Reef. Since 1986. And they have been assessing what is the total outcome of how how good does the reef look like . And in 2009, to 2012, we thought it was terrible. It was really dramatic. The guardian wrote the obituary for the great Coral Reef. And the point ive just been making is the last three years theyve been at the highest Reef Weve ever seen in those areas. And so the point is not that theres not a challenge for a Coral Reef. There is. But most of the challenge comes from overfishing, from industrial pollution, from sea runoff. And those are the kinds of things that we should fix. But were not being well informed if were being told this is because of climate change. So we got to change our entire infrastructure and our global economy in order to save The Oceans. When its not actually whats going to happen maybe well and why do we imagine as we treat The Oceans ever worse that the Coral Reefs are enjoying it more now . Look, i dont think that theyre going to enjoy this. I think why are they why are they doing better in the last three years . I dont think we did anything. I dont know. Oh, well, there we go. All right. As long as were thats thats honest. We dont know. Im. Im a data guy. I simply try to say. Right. I get it to look at the numbers and what i love that you do is that you inform people of things that you know again, the people who just want to usher me to a Point Of View would never tell me, like yes, we are using a lot more Green Energy, but its not making the amount of Fossil Fuels we use go down. Why because people just use more. Yeah, thats a really key thing that i dont think americans are aware of. We just use more how do we fix that one or do we not have to . One of the reasons is because energy is incredibly good. Remember, you and i and most of the audience in here lives in an incredibly energy rich world. We have the opportunity. We can keep cool in the summer and hot in the winter. We can get food. We can get transportation. I mean, i came from sweden i wasnt going to row a boat over here, right . So the whole point the whole point is energy makes us much, much better off. And it also makes us much more resilient. We can do a lot more things. Most people in The World have virtually no energy. They want a lot more energy. They honestly, you know most people in subsaharan africa live on less energy per year than your refrigerator. Its not just your my refrigerator you use. And so the reality is we need much more energy. What we do need to fix climate change is to invest more in green Energy Research and development. So that. Well, yeah, lets get to that. Sorry. So that we in the Long Run actually can make sure that africans and indians and chinese can live an energy rich life, but without the co2 emissions. Yeah. Well, i want to. I mean, thats i think the future. Yeah. Because, i mean, ive said it here a couple of years ago, like, i dont know what will work to solve this problem. I know it didnt work and thats asking people to be good. Yes. That i know doesnt work. And its just human nature. Yeah. And one of the things that we have been trying to do for the last 20 years in Climate Policy is basically tell people to be poorer, be less welloff, be you know, uncomfortable. Would you mind being a little hotter in the summer and a little colder in the winter . Thats just not going to work. What is this going to work . Is innovation remember Los Angeles in the 1950s . Sorry, i dont mean to you remember it, but remember that. Sorry, i just made that worse. Okay. No, no, no, its all right anyway. Anyway, i was alive. Not in. I hadnt moved out here yet anyway. It was terribly polluted. And the sort of standard climate way of tackling that would be to tell. Would you mind walking instead of driving around in cars and of course, that wouldnt work in Los Angeles or anywhere else. But what we did was instead we invented the catalytic converter. Its a little gizmo you put on the tailpipe of the car, and then you can drive much longer and pollute much, much less. Thats how you solve the problem of Air Pollution and the Long Run and climate change. All right. So lets go through of these new things just quickly. We only have a couple of minutes and i want to ask you if you ever run into greta in sweden and how does that go i wonder. But okay giant umbrellas. These are the new things that theyre going to that would block a crucial amount of Solar Radiation these are all things