Focus 33 days out from Election Day, the lead starts right now hello, michigan, right . And love to be in michigan Donald Trump moments ago in Battleground Michigan as he tries to break down the socalled oh, Blue Wall meanwhile, Kamala Harris is wheels down in wisconsin and bringing along some high profile republican help. Shell be joined by Liz Cheney as other conservative women who once worked for trump announced theyre also citing with harris less the recorded message from Melania Trump that undercuts one of her husband top campaign issues im Pamela Brown in for Jake Tapper, less than five weeks until Election Day. And both president ial candidates are in the ground, on the ground in Battleground States former president Donald Trump right now speaking at a rally in michigan and this afternoon, Vice President Kamala Harris Will Campaign in wisconsin with a major republican allies by her side former congresswoman Liz Cheney polls in that state show a Neck And Neck race. And this is cheneys latest effort to move undecided voters away from trump after her hard break with him over the January 6, its attack. The Cheney Harris Alliance that this was constant Campaign Event coincides with new Exclusive Reporting from our very own Jake Tapper, a cheney, and three prominent republican women who used to Support Trump will make the case against him next week and a Fireside Chat and pennsylvania, they are former trump White House aides, alyssa Farah Griffin Sarah matthews, and Cassidy Hutchinson. Hutchinson yesterday officially endorsed harris i am really, really proud as a conservative to have the opportunity to vote for Kamala Harris and Tim Walz in this Election Policy is important. Its very important to me and there may be few issues that Kamala Harris and i would see eye to eye on, but Donald Trump and Jd Vance cannot be trusted with the constitution. They cannot be trusted to uphold our rule of law. And they cant be trusted to enact responsible policy. And lets begin in ripon, wisconsin with cnns eva mckend. Ahead of this harris Campaign Event featuring former Republican Congresswoman Liz Cheney. So eva, what do we expect to hear from Cheney Today . Well, pam, this is a message grounded in country over party. What youre going to hear from Liz Cheney and the Vice President is that ultimately this election, in their view, is about upholding the rule of law, democracy and that those issues are more important than the Policy Disagreements that conservatives in independence may have with the Vice President. They are hoping that that message resonates here in battleground wisconsin, Ripon In Particular is known as the birthplace of the Republican Party they dont get many president ial candidates visiting here. And so its a Big Deal for this community. We spoke to a college student. Heres how she thinks about this message what do you think about Cheneys Message specifically of country over party i think i think thats a great way to put it. I think just as even within our college classmates, theres lots of divide between us we all go to college together, like were all living the same life and i just think its really important that we all dislike stand together with that young woman here studying to become a teacher. They are hoping they capture other Wisconsin Voters as well. Theyre investing in republicans for harris over the next four days. Pam, youre going to have republican surrogates in Battleground States across the country there up on the air as well with a new ad, with a voter that supported the former president in 2016 and 2020. And is now supporting harris. And so this is particularly interesting because the former president is not employing a similar strategy. Yes, he has democratic surrogates out for him on the Campaign Trail. Kennedy tulsi gabbard, but there isnt the same sort of organized effort. Democrats, some of them, theyre not crazy about this plan. They think that the campaign should in instead be investing more heavily in black voters, latino voters asian voters. But the Harris Campaign believes that this is the right strategy and that they are talking to the voters that they need to be speaking with wisconsin democrats. They agree with them. They tell me this is the right strategy. Pam alright, eva mckend. Thank you so much. And cnns Jamie Gangel is here with us with more insight into this Harry Harris Cheney alliance. Jamie, you have sources close to cheney and you can report a little bit out about the why now and why wisconsin. So i think its fair to say we know one thing about Liz Cheney. She doesnt do anything by accident this has been in the planning for a long time. She wanted to do it in the fall for maximum impact while voters are paying attention, she wanted to do it in a Swing State and lets just think about it for a moment. She is going to be Side By side with Kamala Harris the picture, the moment Liz Cheney doesnt get any more conservative than that she is hoping that by doing it at this time in october, that what do we keep talking about Swing States and getting out the vote. And she hopes that Summer Republicans who dont like Donald Trump, who might have stayed home will be inspired influenced to come out and vote for harris i mean, it really is a remarkable turn of events when you look back four years ago and she, as you point, a conservative supported trump was very critical of harris and now shes sidebyside with her Campaigning Today in wisconsin. The question now is as were still close to Election Day how much can she influence those undecided voters and republicans . So i think its were going to wait and see what happens. I am not sure personally how many undecided voters theyre really on out there. Everybody knows who Donald Trump is everyone knows who Kamala Harriss. I think the question is can someone like Liz Cheney her father, Dick Cheney, former Vice President , who has also endorsed harris will they make a difference . With getting people to the polls will they give people cover that . These are republicans and then there are those Nikki Haley voters that We Saw on the primary will Liz Cheney big cheney, others coming out say, okay, were going to vote for Kamala Harris, people who had never voted for a democrat before thats very important insight i want to bring in the rest of our political panel to talk about this. I want to hear what your thoughts on what jamie said and those voters who might see themselves in Liz Cheney, right and her dad, Dick Cheney. And whether her support and the support of these other former trump employees who worked in the White House who are now doing a Fireside Chat to, to talk about why you shouldnt vote for him. If that Will Help galvanize those voters to get to the, i think well, think jamies right when she says cover. Right. Its a permission structure. Its not going to absolutely drive them, but it creates a scene where they can comfortably move. Harris has to reach out to them. Shes doing that, having Liz Cheney, We Saw Carolina Rhose giuliani the daughter of the former mayor of New York, very close Trump Aide endorse Harris Alyssa Farah griffin of this network has done that. She worked for mr. Trump. Now, Cassidy Hutchinson his creates a permission structure. So it makes it okay. Heres the art in this. Its very hard to do. You have to do two things in the final 32 is you gotta fire up your Base And Youve got to reach out to voters. You dont already have. That doesnt take wedge issues. It takes web issues the same things that fire up the democratic base talking about the commitment to our Constitution And Democracy and January 6, talking even about Abortion Rights were Liz Cheney disagrees, but kamala is never going to get off of that issue talking about firsttime homebuyers, Small Business these are all things that rally her base and reach out to swing voters. Meanwhile, mr. Trump is talking about neighbors eating each others cats in ohio. And that does that rallies his base. God knows why, but it doesnt get him any votes. He doesnt already have what do you say to that well, this is going to be look, were going to look back on October 3 and say, this is a brilliant strategy by the Harris Campaign or they really missed the boat, like Hillary Clinton did in 2016 when she thought she had the election in the bag and she went out to arizona and texas and all of these other states, instead of going to wisconsin. And she ultimately lost the election. I, you know, i happen to agree, i think with many of the democrats that are perplexed, why Vice President Harris Isnt looking at her weakness with black men for example, and trying to solidify that shes, shes taking run at possibly under believing that Liz Cheney or any of these other surrogates are going to make a difference among undecided voters. And i guess the last thing that i would say on this is i dont think this is jamie, to your point . I agree with you that everyone knows who Donald Trump is. I dont know that they know who Vice President harris and maybe this is a way to validate harris. And if im, if im going to be charitable then that makes sense to me. Its interesting because Debbie Dingell of michigan congresswoman, actually said that its an Ap Article that theyre voters in michigan who feel like they dont know her that well, they dont understand her policies that well. And she said theres no winner in michigan right now, of course, a key Battleground State how do the polls look right now . Well, right now its a very close race. I think shes slightly favored, but because it is so close and because theres a real question about what will turn out look like. I do think this is all an open question. Think about the way that the coalitions in our politics have changed over the last decade and a andahalf used to be that republicans were the party that had the really reliable Voters Country Club republicans who loved to turn out for mitt romney. And when Donald Trump came on the scene, he scrambled things a little bit suddenly republicans were bringing all of these, what we would call low propensity voters, people who dont turn out all the time, theyre not watching Cable News there. Theyre living their lives and maybe because they like Donald Trump, theyll participate in vote republican, but the gop also shed a lot of those voters, those Country Club republicans, the types of folks that paul wisely notes, this is intended to give them permission. The fight is not that these voters are trying to decide to vote for Donald Trump, or do i vote for Kamala Harris . Theyre trying to decide which leave it blank. Do i just wash my hands of all of this . And so while i dont think that its likely that this is its going to cause a Turnout Search for Kamala Harris. Well, i dont think its likely that its going to tip someone whos on the fence between Harris Or Trump because i dont think there are many of those particular voters left. Shes really trying to make the case. Im not the Kamala Harris of 2019. Im not the person who is trying to pander to the progressive base. Im really more palatable to republicans than you think and frankly, shes got an unlimited long leash from the progressive base in the Democratic Party to do these sorts of things without turning them off because shes running against Donald Trump and he is a Number One motivator of voters on both sides of the aisle. And we are seeing these republican defections now, again with Liz Cheney out campaigning with Kamala Harris, again, just to go back to what were discussing about just the turn of events from 2020 to now, you look at what the Trump Campaign is pointing to today from august 2020, this tweet posted by cheney, Kamala Harris has a more liberal Voting Record than Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren are radical leftist views, raising taxes, banning guns cells, Taxpayer Money for a border russian, an illegal immigrant Health Care, eliminating private Health Insurance would be devastating for america. Do you think that cheney still feels that way on policy . And if so, what does it mean that she and her father are now throw their support behind the democrats . I cant wait to see what trump posts about after Liz Cheney tonight, trumps going to post what hes going to post. But i do think we cannot forget this is not a surprise. We saw Liz Cheney as Vice Chair of the January 6 hearings. We heard her come out for for impeaching trump. She has said this is not about policy. I will do whatever it takes that Donald Trump is so dangerous, he should never be allowed to return to the White House. She also i think we should remember on the policy front, Liz Cheney sacrificed her political future. Im not saying forever. But right now, theyre really is no lane for her i think arguments about policy or just not what this is about one club about, about black male voters and what i would just say is, as wed like to say, two things can be true at the same time vice, president harris needs to go out after a lot of people that certainly one place, but i think the fact that she is in wisconsin where Hillary Clinton didnt get to that shes going to be in pennsylvania that Liz Cheney and others are going to pennsylvania. Theyre just going after every single theyre going to live in Swing States. Yeah. I just want to because you did mention on i just want to better understand what your point is trying to draw the parallel with Hillary Clinton because they are going to the states, they are going to say its but where are they going in the states ripon, wisconsin is not milwaukee so i mean, they are going to different areas of the state than the nest. Then where the large number of democrats reside in order to fire up as paul taught talked about firing up that base so theyre going there and they should be there seven states and every flight that Trump And Harris take are going to these seven states and thatll be the same, same way for the next 32 days. But but who are they talking to when theyre in those states . So you saying shes neglecting the base, the democratic base and go into these Battleground States. What do you say i didnt touch it. The democratic base, i spent a lot of time yesterday African American activists im not as in touch with the christmas right, for self. Shes working it very, very hard. She has to earn these votes were in a different atmosphere democrats used to think if they just eat right and exercise, so get the black vote. Kamala harris didnt think that she knows better. Shes working it very very hard. At the same time, its a both and shes reaching out and i love it and it is true the left has given her huge leeway here. She is holding together coalition from aoc to Liz Cheney is hard to do that as a broadest coalition ive seen in my lifetime and shes doing it. I think quite artfully so nothing. Shes saying too gained Liz Cheneys support or those normy republican shes trying to create a permission structure. None of that is alienating her base of africanamericans and latinos and white liberals. Its just, its a really difficult thing, but shes pulling it off. The one thing also keep in mind Donald Trump also has a very broad right. Just remember the Gop Convention you would Everybody Eddie from Amber Rose to evangelical leaders. So were just, we live in interesting times. We certainly do it speaking of interesting times, i want to go to another Battleground State of arizona, where there were some interesting and billboards that have been put up by the arizona Republican Party. These billboards and the Phoenix Area read Drug Traffickers for harris, Illegal Aliens for harris, and Gang Members for harris clearly attacking her over Border Security. He wants to take it fall i guess i gotta do something. Yeah. Money than sense that. I dont i dont think its going to move honestly, i they can do that if they like. The truth is, i think harris did a good job going to the border. I still think she needs to toughen up and speak up more about Border Security. It is true that the strongest Border Security bill in American History was killed by Donald Trump . Not because he thought it was a bad for america. He thought it was bad for Donald Trumps politics and thats a case she can take to arizona. My beloved texas or any other state thats a border state. So i think shes got something she can run on there. But what is also true is everything that Liz Cheney said in that quote that you read that she was to the left of sanders and Elizabeth Warren. Weve got you pick the number 10 Million, 20 Million illegals who have come during the biden administration that have come across the border she was in charge, whether we want to argue she was the borders or not, the borders are she was put in charge by the biden administration for fixing the border, and thats where were at. So all to your point, me to everything you said was factually. I just got to go from ten raise a total count its a gang yes. Its a total count from all of time that 10 Million undock not to attend to and came over during biden. That is true. Its ever decades that exact number two Border Crossings had the gone down they have also reached a high point, very high points during that the harris administration. But it is true to the Donald Trump killed that bill that could have fortified the border more. And yet when it comes to immigration, as you can speak to Donald Trump is still viewed by voters. Donald trump is trusted more on the Issue And America has really moved to the right on this issue over the course of the last eight years heres things that when Donald Trump first came out and said, you build the wall, and that was his signature thing. Hes going to do on immigration. People said that seems kind of extreme and now not only is that considered a pretty mainstream policy, that majorities of americans support. You have democrats now saying we believe we need to build more physical structures at the border to Donald T