Your background. Guest im an alumni of the Fbi Citizens Academy and part of a civilian office of Police Accountability in chicago. I have also done a couple town policeetings in chicago departments and had a privilege of speaking in virginia with seven Different Police departments, as well as harrisburg. Book,so the title of your because it deals with improving issues of police and Community Relations. How would you characterize those relations as they stand today . [laughter] guest if anyone has two eyes, two years and half a brain, they can see the relationship is very strange. Police and Community Relations are probably at an alltime low. It will require solutions. Host would you say the status or the range of relationship has always been the same for many years and is only different this year because of recent events . What has changed over time . Guest the reality is, if you understand history, history believes the black Community Relations were always trained militia goese or out to see [inaudible] so that relationship has always been strained. I think what we see now is because we have cell phones and see it on a weekly basis. I think it has been here all along but now we can see it. Once you can see something, you realize how bad or good it is. Host so when you say the word stop as suggested in your title is accurately actually an accurate them actually an acronym. Supporttop stands for the teaching of principles. My company has provided mentor programs for over 35,000 youth in chicago and support in florida. This whole tension between police and community will be eliminated. Students cover 70 to 80 of all suspensions. 70 to 80 of all suspensions. The police force is 20 of the Police Officers. So theres a correlation between the work we are doing and what im seeing now in the real grownup world. Just like we can fix it in the schools, we can fix it in the Police Department. Host as far as a specific principle, what is the overriding principle amongst the suggestions and advice you give. Guest that is a great question. Integrity, trust, honesty, open and honest communication, those are the principles we teach as l as if they operated with those principles, you would 100 percent reduce the likelihood of someone getting shot unnecessarily. Host we live in an age where there is a debate going on as far as taking budgets from turningorces and maybe them into social officers. Is that what you are advising and if that is the case, how does that work best . Guest defunding is one of the reform strategies. Im not necessarily for police defunding, but i am for stricter accountability. Im not for forcing funding these choices forces. They have a pattern of shooting unnecessarily at citizens, a pattern of doing many Different Things that officers are not sworn to do. In those particular cases, if those agencies are not upholding their oath, we should look at how they are funded, do we need more social workers on the force . Do we need to restructure how they are being funded, because i dont think anyone in their be fundingwe should criminal organizations that have badges to enforce unnecessary practices in communities. Host criminal organizations that have badges, what do you mean by that . Guest what i mean by that is simply this, i believe the majority of Law Enforcement officers are decent people. I still believe that. I also believe there are elements. Some people say it is about 10 on fox but i believe it is closer to 20 or more. If you have 20 of your officers engaging in patterns and practices that demonize the community, profiles the community, then we are paying the salaries of Law Enforcement officers that are destroying communities. Many neonazis and white supremacist organizations have infiltrated Law Enforcement, so if that Police Officer is showing up to me, i mean no harm to anyone, and they are going to either kill, destroy, or figure out a way to destroy me, i dont think we should be funding them, and they are a liability to the american public. Host Dwayne Bryant joining us, book, and youhis can call us on the lines. 202 7488000 for the eastern and central time zones, 202 7488001 mountain and pacific time zones, and if you are a member of Law Enforcement, 202 7488002. You can also text a set 202 7488003. Im sure there have been a lot of books and studies on this issue. What made you, and why did you want to enter into this issue . Guest here the answer to that. I was at a workshop in chicago on the south side with fourth, fifth, and sixth graders. I asked a set a simple question, if you are on the court in a Police Officer came up to you, what would they what would you do . They said run. I said why would you run . Because they said we dont want to get shot, harassed, or stopped from going home. Toa grown man talking fourth, fifth, and sixth graders, i realize we have a major problem. When i was a child, i did not have that level of fear but did not see what they see on a weekly basis with Law Enforcement. So what can i do . Havebeen working i been working with young people so what can i do to ensure they do not have to have that fear for the rest of their lives . Also, i know a lot of great officers. My father was a Police Officer. I also want to represent the great men and women in blue that are doing a wonderful job whose name was also stained on what is going on. Had at an early age, you an encounter with police that i suppose shaped what you do today. Guest sure, i have a police encounter. My brother and i, my father left at two years old, we would run after school, jump on some of the students, and bring the bikes back. We jumped on a couple bikes that were brandnew, and when the child came out, they called their parents, police were looking for the people that stole their bikes. As we were headed back to the school, the police put their sirens on behind us and said what are you guys doing . We said hey, officer, we are writing some friends bikes. What are the names of your friends . The names . We didnt know so he said those bikes are stolen. We said they are not stolen, we are just writing. My mom said what is going on . The Police Officers that maam, your children have stolen these bikes. If youre black and your mom gives you that look, you know that look. We were more afraid of her. She gave us that look and said, we didnt take anything. She said whos bikes are these . I said maam he said maam, i want to make sure your sons dont steal again. She said officer, please dont put your handcuffs on them and put them in the car. He said how are you going to stop them again . Interesting,hing he said i dont want you to beat your children. She said im going to beat them before you beat them with a billy club or shoot them in the back. And we are, what . Why would we get shot in our back for writing bikes . , but everyave a clue child in america, black, white, or hispanic knows exactly what my mother was talking about. About seven different encounters ive had with Law Enforcement. I tell them what happens, but then i talk about what would have happened if my brother and i had jumped off the bikes and started running. What would have happened if my mom was rude and belligerent and started cussing the office out, what if this Police Officer was a racist and wanted to dehumanize us . Everyone is responsible for the police encounter. Police are not the only ones responsible. He have a responsibility as well. However, they have the majority of the responsibility because they are trained and are swarmed sworn and have sworn to protect and serve in the law. Chapter four, because of that encounter, it was a demonstration i participated in. Was int encounter indiana and that went viral, that is what the book is about. Host lets go to calls from california starting us off. Harold, go ahead. Caller i talk to a lot of Police Officers through the years and a lot of the Fatal Police Shootings are due to the way they are trained, coming down from the top, the mayor supervisors, District Attorney and everyone else, they are taught to shoot if they are going to pull a gun, because of liabilities and settlements, and liabilities, they have to pay more so they are shot to they are taught to shoot twice in the torso and one in the head. This is what ive heard from a lot of officers. Down just this comes from the top and so much of this is getting laid out on the officer. Code because they have a that they probably dont want to say but that is the way it is, that they are trained at the academy to shoot like that if they will draw their weapons, because they do not want a liability. The city does not want a liability. Host harold in california, think you. Guest heres whats about that. Say ife officer did youre going to pull your gun, you dont do it to brandish it or show it off or issue the threat, you pull it to neutralize the threat, and you continue shooting until the threat is neutralized. So i hear what he is saying, and a two to the chest want to the head sounds like a jason bourne movie. Most of these Police Officers dont you that well to start with, but now they will hit you in the head . Lets go back to what he said, the liability portion. In chicago, from 2004 to 2020, 1cago paid out nearly billion in police misconduct. If im black, white, any race and i know my taxpayer dollars are going to pay 1 billion because police are not trained properly, shooting at moving vehicles, using on tactical, unsound Police Practices in discharging their firearms, that is a problem, but i agree that it is not so much on the officers. We have to look at the Police Departments, chiefs, and the unions. The unions get paid to shield and protect their Police Officers, no matter how terrible of a Police Officer they are. Some Police Officers need to be fired. I will say it again, some Police Officers need to be fired. They are not fit for the force and are more a liability in these communities than a asset. When a Police Department that serious about those Police Departments, one had over 17 complaints and murdered someone in chicago. He had dozens of complaints, so why are those police still on the force . Because unions protect them. I talked to Police Chiefs that want to get rid of Police Officers as may times as they can. Host akron, ohio, james is up next. Caller before i want to make a statement, there is one thing i do not understand that i hear most of the time, and most of the time it is white people that have not had any confrontation with the police. They always say most people who get shot get shot because they do not obey the orders of the police. The thing about that, the tone of voice the police use when they talk to black people, when they pull you over or whatever the situation is, is far different than the way they talk to white people. I have been present in both situations with the white gentleman that happened to be riding in the backseat, being the only black in the car. They let us go with a warning, but the way they approached it was different. When they come to the black person car, they come with a belligerent type of an attitude, so automatically, if you are man, and i dont care what race you are, there is a tone of voice. You dont just talk to another man like he is a kid. So you owe them a little bit of respect, but heres the statement i want to make about the police is that i have a couple good friends in the police and a niece that is a policeman and a grandson that is a policeman. Firsthand, about the situation, what goes on in the department, and they are not going to cross the line, as far as telling what went on in the situation. They will take the one guy they know will make the kind of report they want, and that is the person in charge of making the reports. Host let me stop you there and i apologize for that. We have to get more calls in but take what james has brought to the table and go ahead. Guest james is right on point. Weve all seen the videos of the white guy jumping at a police car, fighting with two Police Officers, grabs the billy club, is the Police Officer, then takes the police car and drives down the street, the whole time the police are stop, wait. If that was my black behind, i guarantee you i would have two bullets to the chest, one to the 12 more. About they treat white people different. Implicit bias, that is what most Police Departments are starting to understand. Everyone treats people differently the way you were raised or brought up. There are Police Officers afraid of white people and they are a blackity in neighborhoods. Police officers that are inherently racist, as many are, we really have to know who these Police Officers are. Theres another point made at the end. I have to start writing things down and 50 now so the memory is not what it used to be. Host we will go to joe. , new jersey. K caller i want to say, respect and comply. Ok, sounds like that was it. Is two beautiful words why people love to use. All you have to do is respect and comply. That is absolutely true and absolutely foolish. Comply withtile did everything the Police Officer he said io do, and have a firearm and the Police Officer said get it and show me has firearm card. As soon has he was complying and being respectful, he got killed. A policeoyd, also officer he was complying and respect so respectful. He even called the Police Officers serve multiple times and he got killed. I believe white people, not all, many have this myth that Police Officers, generally speaking, are the good people. The myth of a few bad apples is a lie. Let me prove that. Over 35,000 Police Officers in america have lost their certifications. Drugs 4000 of them were had drugs and alcohol in their system. Them for robbery, another 2000 for theft. When we look at a few bad apples, we really need to get our facts straight. I know theres a population in america who dont like science, dont like facts, prefer opinions. Im cool with opinions, but i like facts better because you see more intelligent i see more intelligent when i go to bat. Has been disbarred. Over 85,000 has been investigated as well as received some level of reprimands. In new york, they released 323,000911 officers 911 officers had complaints against them. Chicago just released their files on 100,000 complaints and less than 3 were investigated. When i hear ignorant statements such as comply and respect, i say sir, i appreciate your statement. I wish i had the White Privilege you have that you can do that say whatever you stopped me for and not get shot. I do not have that privilege as a black man in america, but i always say if a Police Officer will treat me like a white man, im cool. If you cant, treat me like a white persons dog. But if you treat me like a black man, i might get shot and that is not what i want. Host you talk about this book of concept of bad apples in your book changing Police Forces from within, can you kind of summarize for that summarize that for the viewing audience . Guest sure. Stop five years ago, even though it is definitely applicable today. I just completed a 17 part online series called the new conversation because we need a new conversation in america. We are tired of the same conversation. Onres a new conversation the left side. I talk about a few bad apples and we break down different statistics and talk about the ones i just mentioned being to certified decertified, looking at the different state of going on, different state different state of whats going on. Right now, the secondmost crucial pandemic in america is police brutality. Number one is covid. We are losing to any lives to this. Series,bout in that solutions, what everyone can do in the community. It is not just a police problem, it is a policing community problem. When it comes to improving relations, i lay that out beautifully in the 17 part series. He is referencing , we are talking with duane bryant. Dwayne bryant. Caller im so glad you are on because i have had this question for a while. 12ave been in since march because of the pandemic and i watched the mayor briefing every day. A journalist said to him, why did they get rid of the requirement that Police Officers in new york not have to live in the city. He said because it is too expensive to have Police Officers in the city. The journalists said the administrative people that work with the Police DepartmentDepartment Live in the city. I wonder if it would be better if they have that requirement. At least it wouldnt be like police owing into a foreign land with their fear and strapping up. Maybe it would be part of the solution. What does it say about our cities that people accept this idea that Police Officers on their salary cannot afford to live in cities like chicago and new york. Beautiful s a guest thats a beautiful question, my answer is yes and no. I think it is a great idea because it brings back the concept that dr. Brown