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CSPAN Washington Journal Bob Barr July 12, 2024
Coasttocoast and then the heartland. The question is how much of the violence is related to the political environment and whether it will continue after the election. None of us really have an answer to that. But i worry a great deal that if
President Trump
is elected, those who are opposed to him, which seems to be many of those engaged in violent acts, will continue their violence. Say, anddifficult to its unfortunate to say that we are in a situation where the question has to be asked. Guest host what does it say by the state of the country when a september poll, which politico cited from you guys found that that 41 said there would be at least a little justification for violence if the other partys nominee wins the election. Guest it is something that i think back to, when i was in college back in the late 1960s, and we had significant violence across america. We had many bombings, which thankfully we have not seen these days. But the difference is, with the today fromthe today as opposed to the late 1960s, there are
Public Officials
at the state, local and federal level that seem to to they turn a blind eye violence thats occurring, but explicitly discounted and thereby encourage it. Thats the significant difference from the late 1960s, when you had rampant violence in many cities. And you had consistent and very uniformed pushback by
Public Officials
against that. The fact that nowadays we have
Public Officials
who not only will not condemn the violence, but in some instances seem to encourage it. That makes a very dangerous situation. Host which
Public Officials
would you point to as perpetrators of that . Guest you have the mayor in chicago, her response to the chicago is to condemn
President Trump
as if he is out there in the streets looting and burning cars and attacking police. And she calls for more gun control, which is irrelevant. Particularly in chicago which has some of the strictest gun control in the country. Gun control has nothing to do with the violence and the looting and the burning and the attacks on police and the constant high murder rates in chicago. Yet the mayor of chicago does not seem willing or able to address that. Host you are part of a group of about 60
Republican National
Security Leaders
who have endorsed
President Trump
in 2020. Does
President Trump
need to do anything to lower the temperature . Guest it is always good for president to say things that lower the temperature. Im a little concerned about that not happening consistently. But at the same time i think its important for the president , as he has done, to be out there supporting
Law Enforcement
and talking about law and order as an important component of national leadership. Host do you think the law order message is getting through in a time when there are so many major issues competing for the issue of campaign 2020 . Guest its an interesting question. At the end of the day in any election, at some level, people and voters are certainly concerned about violence. As president nixon said, back in 1968, when we were seeing a great deal of violence sweep across america, he said the most fundamental, or one of the most fundamental
Civil Liberties
that american citizens should be able to enjoy is to be free from domestic violence. I think this year is going to play a higher degree of relevance in the campaigning than it normally would. But it is certainly not the only issue. Theissue of the economy, issue of the health of the american public, but law and order is certainly going to play a role in the election, particularly as you have seen in recent months with a surge in street violence. Bob barr, our guest, he served eight years in congress as a republican from georgia, currently the president and ceo of the
Law Enforcement
Education Foundation
. If you support the trumppenns ticket, call in at 202 7488001. If you support the bidenharris ticket, support call in at 202 7488000. As folks continue to call in, what is the
Law Enforcement
Education Foundation
, what do you do . Laweef issues mediaes and pull together stories which are important for
Law Enforcement
, and are important for americans to know about
Law Enforcement
. We also provide some small grants to
Law Enforcement
department across the country, for example of the
Department Needs
some additional protective vests, but does not have the funds through their local government to obtain them, we are able to help out. Important,is most law and order what is most important law and order story we should know about this week . Inability continuing of
Many National
or unwillingness of
Many National
democrats to firmly support their police. And
Law Enforcement
. And i think it was senator harris who spoke recently about reimagining the police. Nonsensicalort of stuff that doesnt move us anywhere. And even in the recent debates, both the
Vice President
ial debate and the president ial debate between
President Trump
and former
Vice President
biden. There seems to be a tremendous hesitancy on the part of democrats to come out and say the reason that we have had this in recent years, decreases in
Violent Crime
against america is because we have strong
Law Enforcement
. And we have support for
Law Enforcement
by our governments at all levels. If you take away that support and you leave
Law Enforcement
without having their backs covered by local and state and federal government, you are going to see those statistics over the last few years. You will see the drop in violence crime in
Violent Crime
. Plenty of callers already, terry is in california on the line supporting the biden and harris ticket. Caller three questions. I am constantly hearing that the reimagining of the police force. S a hit against the
Police Currently
we have put more on police than they should handle. They shouldnt be handling the homeless. They should not be handling the mentally ill. Theyre not trained for it. We start seeing the abundance of violence, and unfortunately deaths because you have
Police Officers
that should not be people. N mentally ill they only have 10 days or even 10 hours to learn about it. You need to have people there that are familiar. The second letsthat is a big topic, have bob barr come in. Guest the collar makes a good point. On the one hand we are demanding more of
Law Enforcement
, but we are not giving
Law Enforcement
the tools to handle or deal with those issues. Your caller points out of an important issue. You have mentally ill people on the streets, particularly in these major cities. Yet when police try and deal with it, they are not trained comprehensively to do it as your caller points out. But when they try to deal with then theres a problem, sometimes as we saw during the
Obamabiden Administration
the federal government will come in and criticize them for not being able to deal with mentally ill and will then bring court action against them. Which then further limits how the police can operate. So its a good point that your caller makes. Florida. Is out of on the trumppenns ticket. Go ahead. Caller you asked in the first segment how to stop the violence , one thing you could do is never having someone on like your first guest, who is just provided a lot of divisiveness and hatred and did a number of lies. The second thing, i think the
Current Democratic Party
is probably the largest divisive hate group in the u. S. So what i would like for mr. Barr is why dont democrats condemn antifa . And what can the
Democratic Party
do to stop the violence and hatred . Antifa is very much in the news these days. Theres an argument over whether antifa exists or means anything whether its organized or highly organized or poorly organized. But the fact of the matter is, it does exist. Its out there. We have seen its advocates throwing trash cans full of fire , looting buildings and so forth. Theyre helping to organize these
Peaceful Demonstrations
which then turned into riots with looting and burning. And yet for some reason on the caller poses a good question. It would seem to me to be a nobrainer for
Vice President
biden and senator
Kamala Harris
and other democrat leaders at the
National Level
in particular to say we condemn antifa. We might not know everything about it, we might not know how its organized, but we see it, we see what its doing, and we condemn it. It would go a long way towards differencebridge the , the gulf between democrat and republican tickets online order. If the democrats would simply say we condemn antifa, which is the sort of thing they are demanding over and over as don that he condemn
White Supremacy
violence. Which he has. Host we spent a lot of time talking about political divisions in this country. Question, do you see a new
American Civil War
looming . Guest no, i dont. I would hate to have to answer that question. I doi see a great deal of divis, but that is nothing new. We have seen this building for several election cycles now. End ofultimately, at the the day, tremendous faith in the
American People
that they will not down that route. Example,aw, for yesterday in michigan, the fbi and i think it was the state
Attorney Generals Office
in michigan, take action against a small group of men who apparently were plotting against both the police and against the governor of michigan. Uncovered, and those people now will face our justice system. So, yes. While there certainly are elements of
Fringe Groups
on all sides of the political spectrum, i dont see that taking hold as a
Broad Movement
that would result in a civil war. Florida,ksonville, frank, undecided. Caller thank you for taking my call. Good morning, mr. Barr. There are some things that you said that i am kind of baffled at. Why the violence. I am originally from birmingham, alabama. Forace that is known violence. Hearing bombs every day and communities. I want to know, is there some situations with the education of the department of police what training do you suggest the police get to make them more sensible to all elements of protecting the citizens . Makes again, your caller a good point and focusing on police training. This is an area where both in a lawd my position enforcement
Education Foundation
and a number of experts, i dont include myself as an expert, but have identified one of the problems in modern
Law Enforcement
as the lack of good comprehensive training for
Law Enforcement
officers. Part of the reason we are seeing a decrease in proper training for
Law Enforcement
officers is a result of budget cuts. A local
Police Department
faces a budget cut, one of the first, if not the first, place they cut his training. Is that is unfortunate. Not only are we getting
Police Officers
that dont really understand how to use the power they have, such as we saw in minneapolis with george floyd earlier this year, but they arent receiving the type of training necessary to make them forize how important it is them to understand the community in which they are operating. That is very important. It is important for both the public to understand the job and the problems
Police Officers
are facing, but equally important for the police to understand and be compassionate with the community in which they are serving. Its a very good point, and i would like to see more training and better quality training acrosstheboard for the police in this country. Congressmembers of the and president came to bob barr today and said we want good, comprehensive police training, what would you say it would cost and who would lead that training . Who is guest guest doing it right . There are at the department of justice a number of programs, grants, that go to
Police Department
s, but they are insufficient. One of the things i would urge would be for congress, the house and senate, to come together and better fund the
Current Police
Grant Programs
through the bureau of justice assistance, for example, but also to increase the scope of that training. Unfortunately, the environment in the congress right now, in the house and senate, is so divisive that even on
Something Like
increasing police training, both the funding and scope of police training, it doesnt seem they could get together. That would be one area that i think would be very productive. I also think that in the prior administration, the biden administration, there was almost an adversarial relationship between the department of justice a local
Police Department
s that didnt help at all. We need a better working relationship between the federal government and local police that is not antagonistic or adversarial. Windermere, florida, endorses the biden harris take it. Caller i was wondering what you thought about the fbi director being criticized by
President Trump
right now for not going after antifa, and he said it was not as big a problem as the white militia groups. He could get fired if trump says i dont like what you are doing, i will fire you. Should the president the april 2 . Ire the fbi director bet he supposed to independent from the president . Guest the director of the fbi has a degree of independence that is broader than a lot of officials in the executive ranch. It doesnt completely insulate him, nor should it. The director of the fbi serves at the pleasure of the president , and there should be a good working relationship in terms of the priorities between headead of the guy and of the fbi, the president , and the attorney general. If you dont have that, that could have problems that were to the local level if you dont have a good working relationship between the president , the attorney general, and the director of the fbi. In recent years have been pretty good about not exercising their power to relieve the head of the fbi simply over policy disputes. If the president is going to remove the director of the guy he must have a good the director of the fbi he must have a good reason for it, and that must be explained to congress. In regard to chris wrays comments in regards to dangers posed by different groups, violent white supremacist groups have always demanded, and it should continue to demand, a high priority by the fbi, as should movements like antifa. I dont think the director of the fbi is saying antifa is not a problem, i think what he is saying is its more difficult to the with that because of disorganized structure of antifa. And itainly is a problem, would be concerned if the director of the fbi said it wasnt a problem at all, but i dont think thats what he was saying. At least i hope not. Out bloombergy reads fbi director chris wray has no intention to design as
President Trump
and his supporters step up demands for the release of
Sensitive Files
they say will show spying on campaign. 16 he doesnt plan to step down at this time according to an fbi official who spoke to bloomberg on the condition of anonymity, though trump could fire him at any time for any reason as he did with his predecessor, james comey. Ticket. The trumppence caller it is good to see mr. Barr on cspan. Cspan is a microcosm of how the media treats conservatives and is indicative and illustrated by who spouted lie after lie and you didnt ask any followups. Mr. Barr talked about how the allowingsupporting and these violent protests and you asked him for proof. He talked about chinatown, chicago chitown, chicago, but what about the summer of love . Cspan, to me the biggest
Law Enforcement
issue right now is the premier
Law Enforcement
and intelligence agencies that conspired with the
Hillary Clinton
campaign to unseat a duly elected president. When is cspan going to do that story some justice . Host willie, appreciate the feedback. We are doing something right if we have a guest you agree with and a guest that you dont agree with. We try to find balance and let people call in and ask their own questions, but we appreciate the feedback will stop and you want to weigh in . We can go to the next caller. Guest i would like to go back to what the caller said in regard to the mayor in seattle with her summer of love pronouncement, which was pretty ridiculous to say the least, and very unsupportive of the
President Trump<\/a> is elected, those who are opposed to him, which seems to be many of those engaged in violent acts, will continue their violence. Say, anddifficult to its unfortunate to say that we are in a situation where the question has to be asked. Guest host what does it say by the state of the country when a september poll, which politico cited from you guys found that that 41 said there would be at least a little justification for violence if the other partys nominee wins the election. Guest it is something that i think back to, when i was in college back in the late 1960s, and we had significant violence across america. We had many bombings, which thankfully we have not seen these days. But the difference is, with the today fromthe today as opposed to the late 1960s, there are
Public Officials<\/a> at the state, local and federal level that seem to to they turn a blind eye violence thats occurring, but explicitly discounted and thereby encourage it. Thats the significant difference from the late 1960s, when you had rampant violence in many cities. And you had consistent and very uniformed pushback by
Public Officials<\/a> against that. The fact that nowadays we have
Public Officials<\/a> who not only will not condemn the violence, but in some instances seem to encourage it. That makes a very dangerous situation. Host which
Public Officials<\/a> would you point to as perpetrators of that . Guest you have the mayor in chicago, her response to the chicago is to condemn
President Trump<\/a> as if he is out there in the streets looting and burning cars and attacking police. And she calls for more gun control, which is irrelevant. Particularly in chicago which has some of the strictest gun control in the country. Gun control has nothing to do with the violence and the looting and the burning and the attacks on police and the constant high murder rates in chicago. Yet the mayor of chicago does not seem willing or able to address that. Host you are part of a group of about 60
Republican National<\/a>
Security Leaders<\/a> who have endorsed
President Trump<\/a> in 2020. Does
President Trump<\/a> need to do anything to lower the temperature . Guest it is always good for president to say things that lower the temperature. Im a little concerned about that not happening consistently. But at the same time i think its important for the president , as he has done, to be out there supporting
Law Enforcement<\/a> and talking about law and order as an important component of national leadership. Host do you think the law order message is getting through in a time when there are so many major issues competing for the issue of campaign 2020 . Guest its an interesting question. At the end of the day in any election, at some level, people and voters are certainly concerned about violence. As president nixon said, back in 1968, when we were seeing a great deal of violence sweep across america, he said the most fundamental, or one of the most fundamental
Civil Liberties<\/a> that american citizens should be able to enjoy is to be free from domestic violence. I think this year is going to play a higher degree of relevance in the campaigning than it normally would. But it is certainly not the only issue. Theissue of the economy, issue of the health of the american public, but law and order is certainly going to play a role in the election, particularly as you have seen in recent months with a surge in street violence. Bob barr, our guest, he served eight years in congress as a republican from georgia, currently the president and ceo of the
Law Enforcement<\/a>
Education Foundation<\/a>. If you support the trumppenns ticket, call in at 202 7488001. If you support the bidenharris ticket, support call in at 202 7488000. As folks continue to call in, what is the
Law Enforcement<\/a>
Education Foundation<\/a>, what do you do . Laweef issues mediaes and pull together stories which are important for
Law Enforcement<\/a>, and are important for americans to know about
Law Enforcement<\/a>. We also provide some small grants to
Law Enforcement<\/a> department across the country, for example of the
Department Needs<\/a> some additional protective vests, but does not have the funds through their local government to obtain them, we are able to help out. Important,is most law and order what is most important law and order story we should know about this week . Inability continuing of
Many National<\/a> or unwillingness of
Many National<\/a> democrats to firmly support their police. And
Law Enforcement<\/a>. And i think it was senator harris who spoke recently about reimagining the police. Nonsensicalort of stuff that doesnt move us anywhere. And even in the recent debates, both the
Vice President<\/a> ial debate and the president ial debate between
President Trump<\/a> and former
Vice President<\/a> biden. There seems to be a tremendous hesitancy on the part of democrats to come out and say the reason that we have had this in recent years, decreases in
Violent Crime<\/a> against america is because we have strong
Law Enforcement<\/a>. And we have support for
Law Enforcement<\/a> by our governments at all levels. If you take away that support and you leave
Law Enforcement<\/a> without having their backs covered by local and state and federal government, you are going to see those statistics over the last few years. You will see the drop in violence crime in
Violent Crime<\/a>. Plenty of callers already, terry is in california on the line supporting the biden and harris ticket. Caller three questions. I am constantly hearing that the reimagining of the police force. S a hit against the
Police Currently<\/a> we have put more on police than they should handle. They shouldnt be handling the homeless. They should not be handling the mentally ill. Theyre not trained for it. We start seeing the abundance of violence, and unfortunately deaths because you have
Police Officers<\/a> that should not be people. N mentally ill they only have 10 days or even 10 hours to learn about it. You need to have people there that are familiar. The second letsthat is a big topic, have bob barr come in. Guest the collar makes a good point. On the one hand we are demanding more of
Law Enforcement<\/a>, but we are not giving
Law Enforcement<\/a> the tools to handle or deal with those issues. Your caller points out of an important issue. You have mentally ill people on the streets, particularly in these major cities. Yet when police try and deal with it, they are not trained comprehensively to do it as your caller points out. But when they try to deal with then theres a problem, sometimes as we saw during the
Obamabiden Administration<\/a> the federal government will come in and criticize them for not being able to deal with mentally ill and will then bring court action against them. Which then further limits how the police can operate. So its a good point that your caller makes. Florida. Is out of on the trumppenns ticket. Go ahead. Caller you asked in the first segment how to stop the violence , one thing you could do is never having someone on like your first guest, who is just provided a lot of divisiveness and hatred and did a number of lies. The second thing, i think the
Current Democratic Party<\/a> is probably the largest divisive hate group in the u. S. So what i would like for mr. Barr is why dont democrats condemn antifa . And what can the
Democratic Party<\/a> do to stop the violence and hatred . Antifa is very much in the news these days. Theres an argument over whether antifa exists or means anything whether its organized or highly organized or poorly organized. But the fact of the matter is, it does exist. Its out there. We have seen its advocates throwing trash cans full of fire , looting buildings and so forth. Theyre helping to organize these
Peaceful Demonstrations<\/a> which then turned into riots with looting and burning. And yet for some reason on the caller poses a good question. It would seem to me to be a nobrainer for
Vice President<\/a> biden and senator
Kamala Harris<\/a> and other democrat leaders at the
National Level<\/a> in particular to say we condemn antifa. We might not know everything about it, we might not know how its organized, but we see it, we see what its doing, and we condemn it. It would go a long way towards differencebridge the , the gulf between democrat and republican tickets online order. If the democrats would simply say we condemn antifa, which is the sort of thing they are demanding over and over as don that he condemn
White Supremacy<\/a> violence. Which he has. Host we spent a lot of time talking about political divisions in this country. Question, do you see a new
American Civil War<\/a> looming . Guest no, i dont. I would hate to have to answer that question. I doi see a great deal of divis, but that is nothing new. We have seen this building for several election cycles now. End ofultimately, at the the day, tremendous faith in the
American People<\/a> that they will not down that route. Example,aw, for yesterday in michigan, the fbi and i think it was the state
Attorney Generals Office<\/a> in michigan, take action against a small group of men who apparently were plotting against both the police and against the governor of michigan. Uncovered, and those people now will face our justice system. So, yes. While there certainly are elements of
Fringe Groups<\/a> on all sides of the political spectrum, i dont see that taking hold as a
Broad Movement<\/a> that would result in a civil war. Florida,ksonville, frank, undecided. Caller thank you for taking my call. Good morning, mr. Barr. There are some things that you said that i am kind of baffled at. Why the violence. I am originally from birmingham, alabama. Forace that is known violence. Hearing bombs every day and communities. I want to know, is there some situations with the education of the department of police what training do you suggest the police get to make them more sensible to all elements of protecting the citizens . Makes again, your caller a good point and focusing on police training. This is an area where both in a lawd my position enforcement
Education Foundation<\/a> and a number of experts, i dont include myself as an expert, but have identified one of the problems in modern
Law Enforcement<\/a> as the lack of good comprehensive training for
Law Enforcement<\/a> officers. Part of the reason we are seeing a decrease in proper training for
Law Enforcement<\/a> officers is a result of budget cuts. A local
Police Department<\/a> faces a budget cut, one of the first, if not the first, place they cut his training. Is that is unfortunate. Not only are we getting
Police Officers<\/a> that dont really understand how to use the power they have, such as we saw in minneapolis with george floyd earlier this year, but they arent receiving the type of training necessary to make them forize how important it is them to understand the community in which they are operating. That is very important. It is important for both the public to understand the job and the problems
Police Officers<\/a> are facing, but equally important for the police to understand and be compassionate with the community in which they are serving. Its a very good point, and i would like to see more training and better quality training acrosstheboard for the police in this country. Congressmembers of the and president came to bob barr today and said we want good, comprehensive police training, what would you say it would cost and who would lead that training . Who is guest guest doing it right . There are at the department of justice a number of programs, grants, that go to
Police Department<\/a>s, but they are insufficient. One of the things i would urge would be for congress, the house and senate, to come together and better fund the
Current Police<\/a>
Grant Programs<\/a> through the bureau of justice assistance, for example, but also to increase the scope of that training. Unfortunately, the environment in the congress right now, in the house and senate, is so divisive that even on
Something Like<\/a> increasing police training, both the funding and scope of police training, it doesnt seem they could get together. That would be one area that i think would be very productive. I also think that in the prior administration, the biden administration, there was almost an adversarial relationship between the department of justice a local
Police Department<\/a>s that didnt help at all. We need a better working relationship between the federal government and local police that is not antagonistic or adversarial. Windermere, florida, endorses the biden harris take it. Caller i was wondering what you thought about the fbi director being criticized by
President Trump<\/a> right now for not going after antifa, and he said it was not as big a problem as the white militia groups. He could get fired if trump says i dont like what you are doing, i will fire you. Should the president the april 2 . Ire the fbi director bet he supposed to independent from the president . Guest the director of the fbi has a degree of independence that is broader than a lot of officials in the executive ranch. It doesnt completely insulate him, nor should it. The director of the fbi serves at the pleasure of the president , and there should be a good working relationship in terms of the priorities between headead of the guy and of the fbi, the president , and the attorney general. If you dont have that, that could have problems that were to the local level if you dont have a good working relationship between the president , the attorney general, and the director of the fbi. In recent years have been pretty good about not exercising their power to relieve the head of the fbi simply over policy disputes. If the president is going to remove the director of the guy he must have a good the director of the fbi he must have a good reason for it, and that must be explained to congress. In regard to chris wrays comments in regards to dangers posed by different groups, violent white supremacist groups have always demanded, and it should continue to demand, a high priority by the fbi, as should movements like antifa. I dont think the director of the fbi is saying antifa is not a problem, i think what he is saying is its more difficult to the with that because of disorganized structure of antifa. And itainly is a problem, would be concerned if the director of the fbi said it wasnt a problem at all, but i dont think thats what he was saying. At least i hope not. Out bloombergy reads fbi director chris wray has no intention to design as
President Trump<\/a> and his supporters step up demands for the release of
Sensitive Files<\/a> they say will show spying on campaign. 16 he doesnt plan to step down at this time according to an fbi official who spoke to bloomberg on the condition of anonymity, though trump could fire him at any time for any reason as he did with his predecessor, james comey. Ticket. The trumppence caller it is good to see mr. Barr on cspan. Cspan is a microcosm of how the media treats conservatives and is indicative and illustrated by who spouted lie after lie and you didnt ask any followups. Mr. Barr talked about how the allowingsupporting and these violent protests and you asked him for proof. He talked about chinatown, chicago chitown, chicago, but what about the summer of love . Cspan, to me the biggest
Law Enforcement<\/a> issue right now is the premier
Law Enforcement<\/a> and intelligence agencies that conspired with the
Hillary Clinton<\/a> campaign to unseat a duly elected president. When is cspan going to do that story some justice . Host willie, appreciate the feedback. We are doing something right if we have a guest you agree with and a guest that you dont agree with. We try to find balance and let people call in and ask their own questions, but we appreciate the feedback will stop and you want to weigh in . We can go to the next caller. Guest i would like to go back to what the caller said in regard to the mayor in seattle with her summer of love pronouncement, which was pretty ridiculous to say the least, and very unsupportive of the
Law Enforcement<\/a> in her own city. Then we have mayor wheeler in who through his tepid reaction to the violence in seeing weeknd up after week after week of incessant violence. Some of these mayors, in addition to the one i mentioned in chicago, have really not only done nothing to stop the violence, but through their ridiculous policies encouraged announcer campaign 2020 coverage continues with candidates campaigning and debating. Cspan, your unfiltered view of politics. Announcer 35 senate seats are up for election with 15 of them considered competitive. If democrats were to take a senate majority, they would need to net four additional seats. The race in colorado is considered a competitive election. Next, cory gardner of","publisher":{"@type":"Organization","name":"archive.org","logo":{"@type":"ImageObject","width":"800","height":"600","url":"\/\/ia601704.us.archive.org\/18\/items\/CSPAN_20201009_223600_Washington_Journal_Bob_Barr\/CSPAN_20201009_223600_Washington_Journal_Bob_Barr.thumbs\/CSPAN_20201009_223600_Washington_Journal_Bob_Barr_000001.jpg"}},"autauthor":{"@type":"Organization"},"author":{"sameAs":"archive.org","name":"archive.org"}}],"coverageEndTime":"20240716T12:35:10+00:00"}