The 3rd thing, the requirement if the grant says we have to give a grant back we have a boring reality between two gangs on two sides of our church. The state gives us a grant to work with the juveniles trouble because they came from two different counties because of the other county could needed. We have to give you back the written by phd signal, the neighborhood. The relationship grant fundraising is a skill that most of us just dont have. And so we end up selling pies because you no how to do that, you can control it. [laughter] the audit they grant assumes you have general operating power. If you dont have general operating power you have to get someone to manage. Get it out of the grant. Then pay the auditor for the grant. Ends up being right for the audit. So itso it is and then you go to jail. Absolutely. [laughter] because your corrupt but because you are underfunded. [laughter] that is why what bothers talking about is more of an enterprise model the way you take idea. You no the venture capitalists. They invest in an idea. You use the capitol to build up the enterprise. If these guys have a Business Plan that could yield a return on investment in capital they could build a whole different community. Billions of dollars that they have invested every week and businesses that people have a financial return. We have to find the resources in this country that bring a return in human capitol. [inaudible conversations] this cant be a knew idea, but it still occur to me if you could demonstrates of the government authority, the success of your interaction with your client saving the state hundred dollars and they give you back 30 for every 100. Sixty. Same thing. In the city of milwaukee wisconsin the running levels organization operates. They have an interesting relationship with the county for the past ten years they had taken young violent offenders who would otherwise be remanded to the adult facilities spent 20 years, they say they are remanded to custody in there homes, supervised by ex offenders in that committee at a ratio of six to one. Because the people who monitor them are in the same neighborhood they checked and three times a day and are required to go to training and what not. 80 of the men who completed the program are successful. Last year the running levels present of the county a mock check for 63 million that the county determined was the money that they saved by not sending these them in the present. And so they take a portion of that and give it to the running rebels, i think two million, and, and that carries the cost of the program in the future. So even in a situation where we have demonstrated costbenefit, theyre is no rush to embrace it. I think people do not understand how entrench the poverty industry is in maintaining there control. They i mean, we have made the case and are Violence Free zone. Wezone. We were able to show that we can reduce violence in schools by 25 percent three months which means that we reduce cost and expulsions, Police Service calls kemal that. We have demonstrated it at baylor university, threeyear study. You know high up on that. It has been accepted by academic review. And even with that validation where theyre is just no rush to come and say okay you have passed it. Now here is the investment in this great idea of yours that is what we are fighting against. With that, i want to segue into the panel, butpanel but i see our special guest is arrived, congressman paul ryan. This is a good time. Perfect. Come on up. I want our town to return. Thank them. [applause] i still got it. I still got. A. How are you doing . Are you going to go . One of the 1st times in the city where the principal presenters were practitioners. Our thought leaders are here they are going to come to our respondents to our grassroots leaders. I think we have had a spirited conversation. To the grassroots in the average towers. Or other special guest arrive right away. Come on out. I want to [applause] we got that covered. We just had and you have been working with the warren ellis. You know. Also, you have been one of the few celebrities for the last time in the hood operating a School Operating a sports program. I wish paul, you would talk about why you get this thing going and when we 1st five isu the question that we asked him a video as a former bp candidate and now chairman of ways and Means Committee why are you interested in this issue . First of all because we can do a lot better than what we have been doing. It is just a simple. If you want to do better you have to figure out what works. And when you get out of the city and get around america you can find people like omar, shirley, paul. You can find things of work. So as policymakers it is our job. That is what the comeback is all about. That is what that is all about,about, showing that theyre are Amazing Things happening. We should learn from them. When we try to do policy at any level of government that policy out to be respectful of and supportive of what works and that dismissive and displacing of what works as basically what were trying to accomplish. It is that simple. And tell us about your work with omar and why you signed on to come be supportive of the movement. It is genuine authentic. Genuine, authentic. When you alluded to the word come back all of us dealing with some type of american airlines. Every last one of us. That is a commonality that we all share what ties us together. We have all come through trials and tribulations and we are here. Solace or so making a comeback. This is real. Authentic, and it is where we can. My mother, single mother stepfather, biological father, they would never play the position that i would deem them to be. I would never call the men that. I am doing with a single mother a school in the city. And it is my heartbeat, my passion to give them away how not a handout but for them to understand, theyre are different resources. We just have a phenomenal structure, organization, and structured event this past thursday that we call single but not alone. Recall the Single Parents in the those metroplex to come to this one location we will we brought them healthcare job employment resources for transportation someone stood up and said, i have 14 jobs a you can start today be paid by next friday. That is a resource. That is the way you make a comeback. Now i have a check and it will pay this bill. And thats my heartbeat. We also do we want to help poverty, want to help kids and want to rescue and secure education we are dropping is off to school but not doing nothing for the parents that are dropping him off. So if we build that if we build that young man and woman that are currently making a comeback just like ours now we are putting a stronghold on poverty and helping one person at a time i feeli feel sort of underdressed sitting next to him. [laughter] conservatives. We understand. They dont even aware seersucker suits in wisconsin. [laughter] but these strips. Tell us about your journey. What was your biggest surprise, i guess that you did not anticipate. Tell me. Number one, it is important to no we all share the same values and principles and express them differently. What i learned was theyre is a lot to learn. What happens as policymakers dont view the human side of policymaking. They do the analytical side, the average towers side, the old thinking, i think the war on poverty kick it upstairs, the federal government and you can be more efficient. And how to deploy resources and fix problems. What you end up doing is you reduce these ties that bind people together which is people together fighting poverty i die persontoperson, persontoperson, and it is connecting people together in a committee for helping each other. That isthat is really what matters. You cant get that in some program run by some person over here, and that is one thing ive learned. And so we should not be at odds with each other and the swan poverty or government does this and Civil Society does that. One should respect the other which is what i kind of learned from a policy standpoint. But from just a human standpoint we need to redeem the idea that redemption is cool. We need to redeem the idea that redemption is the Success Story in peoplesand peoples lives in our communities of you want to see more and more and more and more of. And that, to me, is probably the biggest thing i got out of this to see redeem souls and the people who do the redeeming, it is heroic, exciting, infectious exciting, infectious, and we need to do everything that we can to make that a normal idea and society again. Well, we just got word. You may kirk in indianapolis. He now has a building in the community, to refund employees, contact with contact with 22 dealerships. He is excited. But we want to see this. The questionthe question was raised little why theyre is not an embrace of this idea. And i talked about the resistance are getting from the poverty. Theyre is that. It is is basically the status quo which has in its has its adherents. We see this in congress everyday. Audi you break that up . The way i look at it focus on outcomes and results. The policy side, if we can focus on what works and not the status quo i think we can win the argument so that the argument is not republicans or democrats bulwark so does not. If you go out in the committee and make that the outcome it is not a partisan or ideological thing. That is the kind of conversation we ought to have full why patty murray and i are doing is bill to move our Measurement System from inputs and efforts on programs and spending a bureaucracy to outcomes, results. Is it working . And what that ends up doing is it propels the resources and the power into the hands of local Community Poverty fighters who are actually succeeding. When they can show what works you can cross pollinate. That is what cna does. You have this great program. Perhaps you can share what does. Maybe you can share that with kansas city or dallas. Milwaukee. Cross pollinate, share ideas that is what we want to see more of instead of some bureaucrat. Trying to put rules and regulations that prevent that kind of thing. It is about changing the approach not based on input and topdown but organic grassroots bottomup and then just show what works. That is the way this debate should involve. I am not a math major. Peoples wydenwigle support. Two plus two is war. Zero. Of the same thing. Were working toward the same goal. That is why from. The people literally doing it person you love. He sees no way up in a way out. Is going to work but cannot find employment. It is no one way to do this. People like you to take the initiative. Why do you do this. Adequately. I want to provoke change. I want to provoke change. That is what you are doing. It is not even out over. The man im sitting by him telling israel. I would not waste my time. I would not waste my time to come here and i thought i no that is trickortreating. Real, authentic. A lot of what you are doing. Provoke change. Were going to get theyre. Part of our challenge is to give the kind of recognition to this movement and really getting this out. We have seen over 6 million people. Look at the series. Thisthis is the 1st time we ever have this kind of recognition is the 1st time we take the time. Maximize the moment. Had to do had to do. But i really think it is critical to get this word out whether we have this comeback movement will get moved to the kind of scale. How can we replicate this . Theyre is a lack of imagination. 60 percent of apples and dont a private did not exist. Why cant we take that same level and invest in promoting this kind of comeback movement. The 1st is theyre. When you here a homeless man in boston returns over the impact that someone posts his name and face interest to raise money they raise 92,000 in todays because it says theyre is a 1st on the part of the American Public to support virtual founders. Theyre are for situations like that the marathon man in detroit that was what the work 230,000 was raised for him. And so whatand so what i hope this movement will do with the help of you and paul is to promote the actions of our leaders so that they will become household words and the people will begin to invest in them. I think it is the only salvation of this country. It is the mindset on what the public thinks is the war on poverty. Mistakenly reinforce the notion. I pay my taxes, do my job send only to washington they fix this. Isolated and marginalized the poor among us. What you are showing is that it is the opposite. Everyone is at stake and can do something. Were trying to break down the mindset. Everyone no matter who they are no matter what there income home where they live can do something positive, can make a difference. Nor the fixes they have to. That is what were trying to do. Is not a government responsibility but the responsibility of our communities. Reintegrate people and bolster the fact that these homegrown organic bottomup Grassroots Efforts of the best of the federal government can provide resources change the way the people look and get behind the solution and give people more involved and start moving the needle. With the country shares is hard. All the different instances began with the backpack is hard. No one wants to be 1st no one wants to be a leader can almost a standalone. Willing to do it when someone Takes Initiative to sound going to fight poverty used in your next to me with another person is propelled the stand. A young, vibrant army, but no one wants to make that 1st initiative. The commonality to this country has worked. We have done cover it. Get back to the heart of who we really are. You had a question. Is the microphone sorry. [inaudible question] somebody pulls interest. So cynical the question about replication. I would argue that until the poverty industry is defunded command tell you cannot when my way of federal funds the kind of replication of wars an example of all we arewhat were talking about cannot take place. It can happen because they are talented, passionate people but the place i was baltimore. One last thing. The thing that struck me thing that struck me no one thought that are faithbased successes, no one thought. That part of the conversation helphow you for the police . Moderately evil a very evil . That would be the entire discussion. And it is a good discussion now if you want to keep the industry in place. Dont ask any fundamental questions. The way i look at your observation the american works people have the same result getting people on selfsufficiency and out of poverty which is always a matter. Do they succeed . If they do this should continue. If they dont, they shouldnt. , they shouldnt. A set of technical frontal assault on the status quo making it us against them, republicans against democrats, liberals, conservatives, liberals, conservatives, some big stalemate, it is smarter and better to say why dont we just go with what works. Lets agreeworks. Lets agree beforehand that from now on we will measure success not based upon effort the measurement of success is effort to how many programs, how much funding how many people in the program not results. Objective metrics being that are not. Entirely rational. But i would say hopscotch is what is a political fight that has been a stalemate for a long long time. If we want to get to the stalemate with all agree command we are getting agreement that we should change the way we measure success based on results and outcomes, not an effort. If weif we can do that we could far better succeed in changing the status quo that having this fight we have been having for years. I dont think we have been having much of the final. New york is gone through this favorite toy five years it succeeded for a while. Rubber door. What do we as society value more . A person succeeding in life and shaping the destiny or person stuck in poverty and were telling them hear is something to help you cope. What is the moral high ground. We can achieve that together specifically with grassroots leaders working together to show here is how you save souls. The moral high ground is theyre. We should never in my. I think your right. I am really sorry. Sorry. Thank you. Some of the most the next panel. [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] lets get underway. Actually hold the title of phd is back. The effort phds, some of us are guilty. The mudslinging starts. Yes, indeed. I have asked pastors or a cystic around as the co moderator. Used adaptation. Let me quickly introduce the panel and then we will here a little bit from allowing. Professor of economics. The full bios are in your program. Professor lowery was one of the 1st academics to write thoughtfully that the program we have been discussing. Twenty years ago 30 years ago, is inside the Church Office aei. His been theyre. Now that he is counting. Clarence page is a syndicated columnist with the Chicago Tribune and was a winner of the pulitzer for jerry. Mr. Pages been a loyal fan of the grassroots approaches to the problems of the innercity and as written eloquently with the programs represented. You have all editor of National Affairs magazine and fellow at the ethics and policy center and he too has written recently. I highly recommend nsa he wrote in the journal long way around taking the long way which is a summary of principles by these programs the senior fellow at the manhattan institute. Most recently the author of the comparable to get the masses that in the context of what we have been discussing is the author of a book written in the mid 90s the future ones happened here talking about the experience of new york city and the decline of Civil Society in the face of some of the Government Programs and cultural changes we have been talking about. Of course you met the pastor before. When lowery we asked to talk very briefly and i should add quickly as phd status we used to going i greatly but we have in our for all of this. Were just going to have a freeflowing conversation right after professor lowery talks a bit about this program in the context of a fellow named James C Scott who wrote this book seeing like a state which i think we will be a very valuable book for anyone interested in these questions. Thanks. It is a pleasure to be here. The earlier panels quite inspiring. The celebrity and political leaders intervention was also quite inspiring. I want to 1st yes i do have a phd and i am the alumnus of a Halfway House were recovered from cocaine addiction and it changed my life. A christian dedicated community worker. The not