You would you can watch this and other programs online booktv. Org. Were pleased to be joined by author and journalist, jefferson morley. His most recent book is called the ghost. Who was mr. Angleton . His would be a hundred years old this year. He was a young educated spy and defining personality of the cia. One of the most powerful men from its founding in 87 to his forced retirement and 74. A founding father of u. S. Counterintelligence. Which areas did he work on. He created a cia within the cia. He doubled everywhere. He was influential in u. S. Policy towards israel. Created programs of mass surveillance, opening the mail of americans. Involved in the domestic surveillance schemes of the next and white house. Involved in the early days of the mk ultra mind experiment. A man who made his influence felt everywhere. Involved in the u. S. Policy towards cuba. Many officers rise through the geographical directorate division, angleton had his fingers in many things. Host was he a world known personality . No. One story i heard one man work for him for four years and never knew who he was. His very secretive in his ways. Even within the cia. One of the underlying themes is the importance of bureaucratic infighting. s. Guest angleton is a master of that. Imagine having someone work for you and doesnt know who you are, but in a onetoone meeting he was extremely intelligent and his presentations were compelling. He was able to maintain his position even when he came in for criticism from his other colleagues. If you survive in the cia from 47 to make 75 we think about J Edgar Hoover surviving that many president s, did he get close to the president s as well . Did he have dirt on people . Guest he was like hoover. He was a close collaborator with him for many years. Hoover did not like the cia that he came to trust angleton because he supplied him with that secret information. There are masters at using secrets to master their power. The president he was probably closest to us next in. Nixon appealed to him most. He thought eisenhower might be stodgy, jfk week, nixon was the best prepared president. Its telling that they both fell at the same time for the same reason. They were spying on their enemies, obsesses about secrecy. Nixon dies and 74 and angle can is fired. Is there room at the cae named after him . Within the cia angle can is not in good standing. When they sent agents back to review the cia themselves didnt know. The internal consensus is negative. He is not honor that much within the agency. Use in the book that his legacy is the mass surveillance of america. Today, we have these powerful systems of mass for marylands, anglican pioneered an early version of the which was opening the mail of americans overseas. He picked up the program and 85 and was very small, opening 100 or 200 letters a year. Theres really no legal justification. No warrants or probable cause and he ran this program from the late 50s to the early 70s opening 10000 letters a year, copying them, indexing the names. This was americas first mass surveillance program. You can see it through the systems we have today. He used the same justification that we hear today. Another line from the book is that he was not surprised when Lee Harvey Oswald shot jfk. Well, he may have been surprised when he shot him but he knew very well who Lee Harvey Oswald was. One of the most important pieces is that they put him under close monitoring for the next four years wherever oswald went oswald was informed in detail about what he was doing, his politics his personal life and foreign travel. The story that was said to the American People was this guy came out of nowhere and shut the president , that was a cover story. Oswald had been monitored for four years before that. Host did the cia know he was in dallas in november of 63 . Guest a week before the assassination angle tends top aid size for an fbi report. James roman received the report. In their the fbi office reported that oswald returned from mexico city and was living in the dallas area. I believe he read that report he was a consumer of intelligence. It. Host you been a reporter for 37 years, did you just go through their archives . Guest know, i asked for an interview and they turned me down. I got this from interviews with cia people, declassified records and archive records at the lbj library, the jfk library, and different collections at stanford, yale, boston university. It was investigated biography. Host if cia documents were available with this be a different book . Guest absolutely. Theres a study thats 12 volumes, each 300 400 pages. Thats totally classified. The full story of james angle can is classified. This is the story as best it can be told so far. If americans are suspicious about a shadow government running this country, your book give support to the. When i started the book nobody talked about the deep state. Two years later the president believes in it and its in headlines all the time. I wasnt going to look for that but if you look at his career you see the power someone can accumulate. It runs credence to the spheres that people are secretly manipulating our positions. What to be which we know about his personal life. Who are his friends . He was a very attractive man personally. People really believed in him. It was father of three who lived modestly in virginia. His wife came from a wealthy family but nothing ostentatious about him. He was an intellectual books, the alcoholic to isolate what is never. Host did you talk with people who knew him question. Guest yes. I talked with a man who eventually became chief of the assad. He knew him from when anglican will go to israel he was a junior officer was carrying his briefcase and driving the car. He knew him quite well. I talk with the man who worked with him in the 1950s. I talked with james roman in the hood, these retired cia people some of whom are now dead provided this insight into what the man was like in his work. Give a piece coming up . Guest im gonna write about the jfk files i do have some ideas towards that. Have you found any new material . Its a little confusing because some of this has been made public before. People who come to this know that is not true. So far there have been interesting things. The cia knows whats in there. They will relieve the good stuff first. Were still waiting for the most import material. Host the secret life of the is a look at authors recently fished on afterwards. Skye kelly will discuss a recordsetting year for the International Space station. Reporter and examiner Keith Koffler explore the life of steve bannon. In the coming weeks on afterwards federal judge john newman will reflect on his career first as a prosecutor and then as an appellate judge. The class matter, cofounder patrice will discuss the birth and growth of the movement. Then christopher scalia, i think you know the speech which is why is superior to the living constitution approach. I heard him deliver that speech to this when he delivered. I was looking forward to finding a written version of that because i loved it. It included a wonderful passage where he compared the living constitution approach to a Television Commercial from the 1980s were somebody was heating up storebought pasta sauce and the husband said to his wife, youre using this sauce not doing it homemade . What about the oregano and the wife says, its in there. The pepper . Its in there. The garlic . Its in there. My dad said we have that kind of constitution. You had a right to diets in there, anything thats good, true, beautiful is in their no matter what the text says. Good evening. My member of the department of history and i serve a couple semesters ago and i cannot tell you what a delight it is to welcome my welcome you tonight. Before a gut underway want to welcome you and also welcome cspan which is taping tonights lecture. Happy to have general patrick with