Next a discussion with political strategists and call policy officials on immigration policy and 20 20 election. We talked about her recent bowl and the possibility of political compromise. The Bipartisan Policy Center hosted this event. Thank you for coming out, welcome to the Bipartisan Policy Center and thank you very much for joining us for our conversation on immigration and the 2020 election before we get started we are Live Streaming this event andvideo of the event will be available on our website after were done. Therefore when it comes to q and a we will ask that you wait for the microphone so people who arguing us on their computers or phones or whatever can understand the questions. We invite you to along with us in the events using a tag that you see life. We will see some staff that will be treating the event as well. And just to do a little bit of the scene center and teresa brown director of immigration and policy at the Bipartisan Policy Center and we have been working on the immigration issue here since 2013 when ourimmigration task force was formed. Immigration had become a highprofile national issue. Increasingly important to our collections , its also becoming more partisan since we hadnt noticed that. But partisanship is not good for actual solving problems. Bbcs job and what we do on a regular basis is working to find bipartisan Common Ground solutions to the nations biggest problems and none of these issues i think is more in need of this and immigration last year we conducted a nationwide poll to find out what types of Immigration Reform americans really wanted. And we found interestingly enough there was more Common Ground that imagine. We call this coming round the new middle and you can find those results on our website at bipartisan policy. Org flash new middle. But we are now pretty deep into the campaign season, the president ial electoral races are well underway. Members of congress are gearing up for their campaigns next year as well and so we wanted to get a sense ofhericans voters on this issue now and particularly whether or not there is appetite for compromise on the issue. So we partnered with morning consul to conduct a poll last month on that topic. The voters wont want their elected officials to work across the aisle and ifso, what compromises on immigration did they find acceptable. So we will be presenting results of those goals today. Following the presentation we will have a Bipartisan Panel of experts in policy and politics to talk about the immigrationdebate. Not about the polls but also where they see this going both as an issue and how we might get to solving also politically , how is it going to play in the election so president ial and congressional so there will be time for two and a at the end so think of your good questions as we go and now let meintroduce our opening speaker. Tyler sinclair is Vice President at morning consul, he has been conducting polls for many years for them and caroline fine has been the primary person working on this. An overview poll results, you have a memo that they did with summaries and the detailed results of the polling are available on our website for those that like to get in the to the numbers without further ado ill ask tyler and carolyn to come forward. Thank you for that teresa and thank you all for that. I want to say its always very exciting to see a group of smart, dedicated people coming together to talk about the issues that are facing our nation but just so you all know, imgoing to go over a couple of key points about what we found in the data. And a couple of quick results before i turn it over to carol to go more in depthwith this topic. Just the quick overview of this is where going to look at the importance of immigration so folks at home can vote for020 and what we see is overall for Democrats Health care is going to be the most important issue but immigration will be less important to the republicans and then looking overall at the desire for compromise in congress, while republicans and democrats both say immigration is important, we do see there is a lot of area for compromise when it comes tothis topic. So just looking overall, starting here at the top of my results, when we asked voters the top three most important issues to them when it comes to their vote in 2020, what we see is among Democrats Health care is the most important issue to them with about 56 percent saying that it is their most important policy issue but when we look at republicans for the top three issues for them coming out tovote , we see that its immigration at about 54 percent saying that willbe one of the most important issues for them thinking about how they will vote in 2020. And then when we asked voters talking about policies and plans overall, the various policy proposals Going Forward, how important is specifically their immigration plan to how you will vote in 2020 or how important is that too when youre evaluating that candidate so what we see is overall registered voters about 80 percent or so or 80 percent plus say the immigration plan of the 2020 candidates are very important to them and how theyre going to vote but whats interesting here is when you look at the intensity among the different parties, when you ask that question to democrats, out 40 percent of them say that 20 20 immigration plan will be very important for their vote choice but we break that out among republicans, 63 percent of republicans say that will be very important to evaluating a candidate for them so like you saw on the prior slide when it comes to the intensity of this issue, its much more intense among the Republican Party and it is among the democrats. So looking at this next topic before i turn it over to caroline is thinking about this issue of compromise and what voters are willing to look at when it comes to compromise. What we see is acrosstheboard 75 percent or three in four voters say its important to them that their legislator or their member of Congress Work collaboratively oracross the aisle to find solutions to the immigration problem. Only, less than 25 percent acrosstheboard, very few people are saying they would prefer their member of Congress Taking their principles when it comes to immigration so obviously we see strong broad bipartisan support with 80 percent of democrats saying they would like their member of congress to be collaborative when it comes to immigration and 75 percent of republicans but what we have in this next session and im going to turn it over to caroline to talk about is some of the specific nutsnd lts of the policy of where republicans rank it in terms of priority when it comes to immigration and how willing democrats and republicans would be to compromise on these policies so ill go ahead andturn it over to caroline to walk through the next couple of data points. Thank you tyler. So before i dive into this, i want to make sure to explain the wrath that you all are looking at as it can be a little bit confusing at first glance. So what were looking at here, we asked republicans about seven immigration proposals and we asked republicans taking the survey those proposals in order of importance. The red aon the screen, those represent the percentage of republicans who write the proposals to the left as their number one most important proposal. So looking at the screen here you can see that 35 percent of republicans rank the wall as the most important policy priority. We also asked democrats about these same republican proposals but instead we asked democrats how willing they would be to compromise on this proposal in a bill that would also contain their cost immigration priorities so the border. Represents a percentage of democrats who say that this is their number one most willing to compromise on policy so for example 11 percent of democrats writes that they would bemost willing to compromise on the wall. So when were looking at these results, what we want to see is we want to see those not be closer together in order to find bipartisan solutions. We dont just want them to be closer together, we want them to be further down the axis. We want them to matter to voters. So looking at potential for bipartisanship as it relates to republican policy priorities, we see that increasing spending onBorder Security is a place where we might be able to get something done. But at the same time there are clear barriers to entry when it comes to immigration policy and compromise. We see that the most important disease for Republican Voters heading into 20 20 is getting a wall built on the southern border and get its not an area where democratsare you willing to compromise. Now we let this on its head. We asked democrats to write democratic proposals in terms of importance. We asked republicans to rank those same proposals ontheir willingness to compromise on those proposals. So here for example 22 percent of democrats rate providing permanent legal status for those who came to the uss children and are not currently residing legally in the us commonly known as dreamers, 22 percent of democrats read this as the most important policy priority and 20 percent of republicans are most willing to compromise on that priority. So they cannot where there might be room for middle ground we see that its a place where we might be able to get something done. At the same time, allowing children seeking asylum at the border to enter the country without fear of being detained or separated, we see that 21 percent of democrats rank this is their most important policy priority, yet only 11 percent of republicans rank this as a priority that they be willing to compromise on. That is an area where there might be less room bipartisanship. Additionally here you will see the wall is a place preventing the wall is a place that 17 percent of republicans rank as their most important priority yet only eight percent of republicans would be willing to compromise on the wall. So thank you to the pc for having us. Im going to turnit back over to teresa to talk more about these results. So as you can see, ive got the button wrong. Theres interesting results here. First and foremost, i take away that voters do want their members to try to work across the aisle but there still is a lot of room for divide on what exactly the policies are not candidate people together. But there is some room for compromise. So we have a lot more detail on these policy priorities but i do think that what this strikes to me is that sometimes i think the framing of the conversation in the National Debate has been very black and white. And i see that particularly in thediscussion about the wall and Border Security. The wall has become symbolic. It has become highly divisive issue of Border Security generally is not as specific so sometimes and what i think were in a moment now, the weight issues have been bring their leaders and the politicians in the press has led to increasing divisiveness. It doesnt necessarily reflect underlying views of some of the issues so one of the questions that we have Going Forward and hopefully our panelists can talk about it is out of the public framing these issues impact where voters are and the ability to actually get things done onthe issues. Training. I first want to bring up casey higgins. Casey has nearly a decade of experience in the u. S. House of representatives most recently with House Speaker paul ran as assistant to the speaker for policy and trade counsel. In that role casey was responsible for devising the speaker and the Republican Leaders on a number of matters including immigration and the Bipartisan Policy Center. Next i want to bring up tyler sinclair. Shes the cofounder of an organization that invests in leaders and ideas that would create a more powerful and active electorate. Stephanie is among a small group of advisers who serve president obama in senior roles for his president ial campaign in both terms in office she has served in real ship rolls for a number of lawmakers on capitol hill. Next i want to invite kevin madden executive Vice President for advocacy at Arnold Ventures one of the nations leaders leading philanthropic organizations. Kevin served as a senior strategist and spokesman on three president ial campaigns from 2004 to 2016 including the 2012 campaign. Salsone Advisory Board a Bipartisan Policy Center action. And tyler moran is the director of immigration and its been a theater nation since its founding in his 20s experience developing and implementing immigration policy for tyler previously served as policy adviser to senator harry reid. He serves as the deputy policy director immigration of the white house domestic policy counsel under obama or the teen is unmanaged development and implementation of doc and the 2013 Immigration Reform bill. As you can see her palace have an extensive background in immigration policy so we can just jump right into the conversation. I first want to start with reflecting on the survey results that we were just presented. If you want to start casey what stood out to you in those results . Its interesting over the past year or so how much immigration in general has become a much more important issue for republicans and i think thats part of donald trump bringing a lot of attention to the issue. Its been interesting to watch the new candidates that come up in members that are getting up and giving a stump speech included in every single one of those speeches and ads and all those introductory statements to the public about why these people continue to represent them in congress. I think that shift in the Republican Party in terms of the important as has been surprising to watch but also it can be helpful in trying to get something done on the legislative front. I think for me as i read through the more detailed questions last night what really stood out to me were two things. One i just do not understand it because i think republicans at one point where worth 20 billiondollar fall that will be in effect give. Largely folks dont. A point to work from but for some reason the symbolism is so important to republicans and to conservatives. As we looked at the substance of what people are willing to agree on and tion that people want their members of congress to work togethe acros the aisle and when you get into the system like what the immigration policy discussion should be about you can see theres not much difference in a lot of willingness to compromise on things like Legal Immigration import security on both sides of the aisle but once you take the wall out of the conversation he gave me great hope that its not the National Conversation we are having today and as we were talking about before there used to be a world bewitched the most controversial part of immigration policy was getting business labor in the room to negotiate. I would love to live in that world again. I actually think we could probably be a lot more compromising on some of the substantive stuff. On the product of immigration my parents came from ireland. I look at this as an irishman that i cant help but access over the bad stuff. With this data along with other data that ive seen about whats driving and shaping partisan worldviews and for me i think it demonstrates that you have republicans and democrats with entirely different ways of looking at this issue and thats one of the huge challenges we are going to continue to have. They say men are from mars and women are from venus. This is republicans are for mercury and democrats are on pluto when it comes to the gap. They are very far apart and even though the poll does show glimmers of hope for the number sort of the line together the details matter very much and ultimately the political process are very far apart. The intensity of a most vocal minorities on this issue i think continue to drive the policy and that continues to be a challenge. I totally agree. We have done a ton of polling and whoever the American Public has supported anywhere from humane treatment acrosstheboard the public has been there. The problem now is our lawmakers are there as because you look at the polling and whats important to the American Public. Health care and the economy are always going to be top of mind for republicans as well so when you have a small minority within the Republican Party they are the loudest. There are republicans who want to stick their neck out and do things in a bipartisan way. They just get slammed because for that part of electric immigration is important to them and its not really an award for them so they dont stick their neck out. They agree with it and they supported and there are consequences for doing the wrong thing and rewards for doing the right thing. Speculative piggyback on that because we did see that acrosstheboard. Immigration is more motivating issue for republicans than democrats to what is up in for democratic candidate running for president but also for congress . Can they break out in any particular way . We did some polling of voters in atul gawande states and what we saw is people are sick of the rhetoric in politics and they support Humane Solutions that dont know what democrats dance only 30 of voters did very well with democrats are literally saying im for solutions and using words humane and responsible those words will go a long way to address the American Public were democrats stand on the topic. I would say three things. One, i think as it relates to how democrats get it into the conversation on the left. One is we have all in into this trap around the wall versus open borders. That is a completely false narrative. Yes democrats on Border Security and Immigration Enforcement. When you have a conversation what it means is lets not not have Immigration Enforcement that we fundamentally need to rethink Immigration Enforcement. When we see the entire proper system being driven to put people, to apprehend people in this profit motivation behind that if you have to question what our system is built on and how we do that. Theres not a conversation on the left about zero Immigration Enforcement so we have to make that clear. I think we have been very willing and have worked with president obama from 2009 to 2014 in 2015. We took a lot of flak from the left on where we are willing to compromise on Border Security in the multiple iterations of Immigration Reform that we attempted and tried and obviously thats being played out on the lt now. His enforcement record is being deeply critiqued. My question i think has always been to republicans which is when will Border Security be enough. Like that marker that we can actually compromise between the left and the right and in the past it felt like moving the goalpost or there has been a conversation that continues to evolve and change and we cant associate the way democrats negotiate her way to the table. Thats the complication we are having to live the reality with. We have worked really hard to show that we could support the border and we were wil to make investment and ultimately thats playing out in a challenging way on the leftright now. Theirs is there something republicans have figured out in getting their message across behind Border Security in the way that democrats havent gotten their message across . They figured out from the base motivation standpoint that this is an issue and when you look at the issue about what i would call the puppies and ice cream questions about do you want your Member Congress to compromise and come to Common Ground with democrats, yes but when you look the intensity of where the voters are it is more of a cultural issue for a lot of these voters and for them its not about compromise but its about doing battle with what they perceive as an outofcontrol left on the open borders. So when you say what ihey found out for many republicans they used to be when i was on the hill when we tried to turn this into an economic debate and a debate about security but this is much more of the debate for republicans and you see the president wages this battle every single day. Its a cultural battle, us versus them. The way we used to be and where we are going. Make America Great again hat. That is a very motivating factor in how republicans use it to gin up their base. Short term that may work for republicans the longerterm you guys have a longer game here because i think at the end of the day there are 32 million latinos who will be voting in the election which is to say obviously immigration is not a monolithic issue in the Latino Community either. I grew up on the u. S. Mexico border and its complicated and a place like new mexico and arizona but you are also seeing 32 million hispanics who will be eligible to vote in 2020 and that number radically increases over the next decade. Those folks feel attacked by this present whether tenth generation or their parents just came six months ago. I think the conversation was being pulled to the right by donald trump. I just urge republicans and republicans who are left to remember theres a whole universe of latino voters that you are at risk of losing. That was a sugar high but the demographic trend lines are, its going to happen in the other thing if you look at one of the most powerful political coalitions right now in america to win the a National Election and maintain a majority in the house of representatives its suburban voters to look at this issue as an economic issue and they also look at it as a values issue and they see increasingly debate liquori i would have as a republican is that this is the party that seems out of step with a lot of those voters as to whether or not you keep the majority republican. When we pulled suburban women family separation was a big thing. It was more for reason in alignment with trump on family separation is more reason to vote against them than support for open borders and things like that. If you remember with the caravan new cycle for a solid three weeks every republican convince themselves that this is going to energize the base but what they forgot was that turned off the huge swath of voters. You drive a 25mile radius around phoenix suburbs philadelphia and pittsburgh suburbs, Columbus Ohio suburbs suburbs orlando that the whole ballgame for a lot of these major seats. They turned off a lot of voters without issue. Casey would assist look like in writing . As we saw from the results they are looking at particularly republicans. Its very important with the platform says so what does it mean for the platform . Its interesting because one of the issues of Border Security is not necessarily Border Security and throughout the debate in congress over the last several congresses it goes back to the fact that in 1986 we didnt get the Border Security we were promised so the question isnt necessarily what policy would equal enough but how do we ensure that it actually happened . We went through this when obama was present because the question was how do you ensure all the metrics on the border and that is how to ensure these things that we secure the border understanding we could see quote unquote amnesty. We want to make sure we get the Border Security that we are promised in that narrative has moved through as recently as last year the idea being triggered so trying to figure out how you get that. I think for the most part republicans are willing to compromise particularly on the dreamers. No special pathway, no favors. Something we keep seeing so when youre talking about how you you message these things on the republican side thats something thats important to them in that fairness issue isnt about comets actually more about being fair and ilLegal Immigration system as well. You have many many people on line who have waited their turn so its okay we are going to have to stay but how do we figure out how to do this without giving you something when those who went through the process the right way are at a disadvantage. I think there is middle ground to be found but i do think both sides in the past couple of years have gone to their corners and the question is can you ultimately overcome that middle ground and i think im the Eternal Optimist on this issue but at some point the going to hit the road well have to do something. We could do some sort of order daca deal. As toxic as the wall is politically you know tyler can speak to this the compromise they got there at the end of the day was throwing a bunch of money at the wall, the border i should say. At the end of the day its more symbolic than it is actually a pocy, specific policy issue. Where preparing some fun things. Thats where we planted on this but i think its symbolic or they think there was a place to go there that wasnt an interior enforcement which gets really messy at the end of the day but the daca border thing started to build up. I think republicans didnt know what they supported and democrats are still trying to navigate how to deal with the president given his rhetoric and given the frustration that people feel because of how he speaks about immigrants. We havent gotten past that yet. Republicans still i dont think know for sure what we support from a policy perspective and democrats are still struggling with how to deal with the president that they feel is personally targeting them. Thats going to be the difficulty is more politics than policy at the end of the day. See if this goes to the public framing that theresa alluded to. Decorate how does that influence the hill because we have seen the packages for Border Security but then again i talked to republicans representative mike hastert and one of the things they were talking about the debriefing with the Homeland Security secretary was the wall. How do they brits. . I think tyler made a point earlier that was very interesting about the fact that we have been funding the wall. We have been making progress on that front where we havent sincerely been making progress in the other side. Its interesting in january of 2015 the House Republicans tried to bring a Border Security bill to the floor and that dole was frankly only homeland jurisdiction. In the immigration world you have a judiciary that has the interior forces that are very toxic to democrats in this debate and on the other side you have Common Security who have the actual border of the structure. We ended up pulling that will ache as we didnt get into some of the other things. The point that tyler made was interesting. We have been making progress on the border and for structure peace. We havent been making progress on some of the other things that are very valuable to republicans its kind have been missed in this whole debate. There seems to be enact a buildup of the border for structure over years and years. When i was at the white house who went to Border Patrol and said what do you want . They said we want technology so fine drones whatever it is. Obviously they need the technology for reasons other than people for drug smugglers and traffickers. When you inject this in the conversation the issue of accountability with Border Patrol issues with responsibility and the issue of governance. Its been a onesided enforcement focus on people and we totally lost sight of the fact that we need to be focusing on people who are bringing drugs into the country. These are not asylum asylumseekers and people crossing the border for a better life. In the past i think democrats have been coming to the table on Border Security. I think with the family separation crisis it was a gamechanger. It was like a lightbulb went off and some democrats were like oh all the money we are given to the administration and this is how they are using it like they think will make it into any future debated not going to be the same talking points as 2013 could this president has fundamentally changed how we need to look at the agencies and what they do and how to hold them accountable. Kevin d want to jump in . I agree with all of that. Bipartisan compromise. Worters security is not just about building a fence along the wall or using drones. Part of our problem is the Legal Immigration system doesnt work. If you can fix ilLegal Immigration system you will relieve pressure on the borders. We talked about before donald trump started using the turmoil. Immigrants can come in the front door and you can focus on the drug smugglers and other actors along the border. The other thing is we need to figure out how to deal with a northern triangle and how to improve the situation situations of people are taking the treacherous journey to our borders and thats part of the problem down there. Fixing the ilLegal Immigration system and trying to do more in foreign aid one way or another help. I will make one quick point to bolster those points. I think the one time where we saw this white house gives a win on this was during the family separation crisis last year, right . The one most important ingredient to that change was the fact with all the noise in washington we left the legislative process, the sword of oneupsmanship in gamesmanship in theater pageantry of washington d. C. And everybody in the country including everybody in washington turned their attention, their cameras, their pens and pads down to the living proof and personal impact, local impact of the policy, a policy chaos that washington was creating and everybody said this is inefficient and this is wrong and bad and not helpful. Folks that are looking to advance a stronger immigration policy in compromise thats a very important lesson. What i would call the motion to recommit mentality no offense to cspan but everybody is glued to cspan watching minute to minute on the floor. They are not. They are going about their lives in dealing with the impact of how policy impacts their bottom line. The really important lesson for folks that want to know. Stephanie i did see you shaking your head about Legal Immigration and i find it and just thing because a conversation that needs to be had in it somewhere democrats havent made a footprint quite yet. Is how we think about interior enforcement on the Legal Immigration side we need as i was talking about earlier we need to be in negotiation cluster again to this question of high skill versus lowskilled labor thats a really important conversation for us to have. Going back to the economic argument that simply wont survive without high school than lowskilled labor. Thats just a reality. And they think beyond that we also have to think about Immigration Enforcement and accountability not just the people who came across illegally but the people who hired them and gave them a job. When we have an issue like this that happen in august were dozens and dozens of undocumented immigrants were deported from a chicken Processing Plant in mississippi but no employers were that is a problem with their immigration system. Democrats are not saying there should not be Immigration Enforcement from people who dont follow the rules because we have established with the rule should be in ways that people want to follow the rules. As long as we have players who are willing to hire them without consequence that the high problem too and its creating a Magnetic Pull where people can come and work in places like that. A summer question to what i posed earlier how does that look in writing because when we are watching the debates many times we say we are at going to do the opposite of trump and thats typically a fallback point on immigration so how do they convey their message on Legal Immigration which is very important for legal immigrants in this country as well. Is getting away from the noise. For so long we have been in this political environment where two polls are pulled and giving us space to have this kind of conversation. Its going to be hard for us to get to the substance of what we can do. The last thing i would say i think part of our challenge is not just the rhetoric of how the rhetoric gets amplified. If we remember that in 2018 the environment that we are creating that we can be an echo chamber for how we are creating it in 2018 misinformation about immigration was huge. They were false images being circulated that really became this kind of Snowball Effect around how the right eye believe is getting ginned up for the election but i guarantee we will see that continue to happen 2020 especially in moments where trump will be under pressure on other issues. We may see a pivot back to immigration to create a foil and to refocus on an issue that he knows will get people excited and focused on something else. Think we just need to be very aware of the externalities that are creating and continuing to snowball the conversation and taking us into different areas. The conversation on ilLegal Immigration is critical if youre talking about a path for the 11 million. It shouldnt take 20 years to bring your Family Member here. We have a system from a 1980s economy. The typo workers we need cant legally come to the squat country so their ascent legalese for this people to come here but if we can fix that system and help people to understand people dont want to break the law. There are certain things that people think. They come here because they want a job where they want their family or want to start a new life. Its been hard for comprehensive Immigration Reform because the pathway to citizenship have to go together. Its a feeling of bed of 1986. The question of do we revert to a merit pay system and walk away from our familybased system . Voters dont necessarily come arent committed to not seeing a family immigration system and to completely ghani opposite direction for that thought there was an important point because theres this assumption based on what we have putting out if there is largescale republicans support for just a merit a system in what i call theres far more nuance about that than we may think. I want to get the conference of Immigration Reform but before you do that we are in the midst of a president ial election and it will be our focus for the next few months. That aside how this is play out for democrats who are running in their states . How does it play out at the state and local level and how do they relate these messages and also the republicans. Its going to be a daca decision we all have a sense of how thats going to go. To put that in the middle of an Election Year i think is going to be real interesting. I want to clear it for anyone whos unaware it sitting before probablyly year. You know i think the encouraging part from my perspective on the republican side as this is an issue that republicans are willing to address, publi willing to address. Think they are looking to make sure we get orders security in exchange for that. How do you talk about things in the middle of an election cycle that highlevel. I think theres going to be a lot of talk about ensuring that there is a way that these individuals who have come when they were younger through no fault of theron are able to stay and thrive as americans. Most of them feel like they are americans but i dont see having any grand policy that is reached in an Election Year and i dont think youre going to hear a lot about it from the candidates. The democrats who flip their district or senators, Democratic Senators who may be in it district that the reason we focus on swing voters in battleground states is to prove you can talk about immigration was district and you dont need to run away from it. Its a problem when voters say they dont know who to trust and its a huge opportunity to step in and say workers get humane and ethical treatment here. We are for government accountability. Those are words that resonate with voters. Again we know health care and the economy is number one so its not like its got to be the top issue. Democrats have to have her response about what they are against what they are for. Latino voters in particular while again we are not a monolith when it comes to the issue of immigration for the First Time Ever immigration was the number one issue. If youre hispanic you see the economy a health care as to your prior issues that the height of everything thats been happening in the Community Whether you are an integration or discuss here is starting to resonate and set in with latino voters in what is going to be interesting to see how it plays out. Whats interesting again i come from Southern New Mexico and one of those democrats in a richly unique and challenging way. She will have to be a lot more nuance but issues on the border. The latino voters in wisconsin and michigan are much more recently arrived so they have much more an elliptic experience of being a recent immigrant and feel very much attacked. Places like wisconsin see the issue of immigration differently. It is one of those issues that both democrats and republicans need to be nuanced and how they talk about it. It should be driving towards how they will build Real Solutions in the conversation. Kevin for republicans who may be worried about their seat how to assess plan to the way they might relate their issue on immigration when the head of the party has strong rhetoric on the issue . I think it does put them on defense. It is one of those, when youre working on a campaign to eliminate congressional or Senatorial Campaign the one thing you want is control and you want to be able to control your message and your outreach to voters and control the news cycle. What happens is they may be looking to promote a priority like with immigrati not being front and center and they want to talk about the economy growing and agriculture in their district or manufacturing in some of these districts being tough on china thats what they want and in the 242nd cycle driven by a persons 280 character twitter feed a lot is dropped on them and they are forced to be very reactive on this issue versus it being front and center. And then they are forced and tyler stole my line which is they are forced to begin something rather than for something in the most persuading voters vote on this issue to the ones at the value and when you are against something and not for something that turn them off thats one of the big challenges for a lot of these voters is how they talk about issues often is designated by one person and that the president. Again recommending it is an election time so there has been a lot of legislation moving through congress on the comprehensive Immigration Reform and the impeachment is the inquiry now. We are still seeing bills among republicans and democrats that are trying to export security and immigration system and more often than not they try to lump them together. What is the future of of Immigration Reform and should we be doing it anymore piecemeal way . Singer gets the Million Dollar question. We kind of gave us a real run. For democrats it had to be comprehensive. Have to be and for republicans they wanted piecemeal. Those were the two buzzwords so when we were talking about doing something in the house it was piecemeal approach to counter the democrats in the senate in a big comprehensive proposal. As tyler said its so hard to separate these issues because they are all interrelated and the tradeoffs come from different places. Last year when we where can you do a daca border deal all of a sudden its we have to address family mike asian and Border Security. We have to talk about that. Theres the snowball and before you know it you have a much bigger policy than you thought you were going to have produced interesting to me democrats in the house have been moving pieces in an piecemeal fashion. Removed smaller scale things at guestworker legislation and its piecemeal. Its not in one big piece of legislation. The question is can you actually translate a solution at the end of the day. A compromise something thats going to become law can you translate that into piecemeal . Its a very difficult thing to do because of the interconnectivity but what we have seen is instead of comprehensive giving everyone something to vote for a reason to vote for this is giving people enough reasons to vote against it. Its been a bigger problem in the house from my perspective but i think we are going to have to navigate data and i think if we can break certain pieces off arguing for argument sake at dream of daca and everify a pro immigration piece might work. Is kind of remind me of what the political dynamics are. Tyler you know this point well. I think we need to break apart the whole thing. Really proud of the work we did in the new administration put up the bill on the hill that the administration is not the secretary more so if you think about what is broken we need to address the root causes of migration and reform the elite are ilLegal Immigration enforcement in the border i note bodes well but we need to make an argument that stephanie made earlier so much is pinned on the border its been entire buildup. There is an insane amount of money so we cant and or into a legislative debate all things being equal so that in my mind when i think about border and legalization i dont know. I think the comprehensive approaches and going to work anymore but these three things ilLegal Immigration and citizen passports impact one another. It have to be done in succession we need a new framework to really solve the problem in tackle the root problem. Heather laid out three of those things and i think what we have seen literally over the last now 15 years of trying to pass different iterations of this bill we have seen rings die by their own way. It is always this carefully constructed django of moving this piece and move these people and i think people dont just want what we vice chair to do but something thats going to answer this moan in time. Its true for the left and the right. The left calls on enforcement in response to what they feel is a lack of accountability on the enforcement system. They call for more security at the border in response to what they feel they are seeing coming across. We cant just build walls and not big about why your people coming . Is because of who is hiring them or the challenges and realities that they are facing in other countries. Has to be new frameworks that we have operated from the past at the same time it will be a mesh of a number of Different Things together. We are in a new era and a new moment in time in a new conversation we need to respond to the important things we are doing. A moment in time observation is the right one and that at this time theres no way comprehensive immigration legislation can get through. You have a white house that has a very sure framework of principles knowing exactly what they believe and why. You have to have a legislative strategy that is locked down in concert with your allies on capitol hill. You have to have a political plan to build a broader coalition of public support and you have to know where you are going to compromise. You have to have all three of those things and even if you have all three of those things its really hard. They dont have anything. They dont have any of those elements together right now and you also i think have an instinctual, you have the instinct which is to use this as a puggle cajole where e. Barrett 24 seconds new cycle. The ingredients are just not there. You will be interesting and we talked about this earlier is the role that daca plays. 700,000 young peoples futures are thrown into uncertainty even more so than they are now that i think thats going to present a real sense of urgency given the ways the politics of immigration has shifted. When i first are working on this issue in 2005 and 2006 with rahm emanuel he said im not touching this issue. Now we have seen how far democrats and progressives have advanced and even where republicans are in the issue of daca and dreamers. When we see what will happen with the Supreme Court decision and it will be heard on november 12. The decision early in 2020 and i think there will be of the good struck down a real sense of panic in urgency on whats happening with daca. Soon the challenges the president and the hill to come up with something very easily. Its like slashing illegal in immigration or an asylum system arent things that are sitting on the table. We need did two things really well here overreact, nothing. So thats a challenge too. Stand but its interesting because not only is it among democrats and republicans but there are positions among republicans than among democrats. We seen it play out in recent months. We have seen how some democrats with supplemental bill earlier this summer that somberly did not want to vote for the bill while others did. How do you see a bridge within the party . I think we have to have a row conversation and tyler talked about a number of things like what are we for . There are candidates who all have different plans of what they would be for predicting that is where we dont have a leader in the Democratic Party right now unfortunately to help wring us together around what is possible and what we can get done. We can see the field narrow. We will have to hone in on what we are going to be four in there are key issues around Immigration Enforcement and accountability around Immigration Enforcement in the conversation has to get around what that means. Abolishing i. C. E. Is not the answer but the same time we have to think about where are we willing to compromise and Border Security and where are we going to have that conversation on Border Security as well . Kevin given your experience in president ial campaigns what resotes the most . First and foremost and we saw this in the polling people do want a sense that we are a secure nation and enforcement of laws but the same side of that coin on the other side of that coin im sorry they do know and both stephanie and tyler have mentioned this week to need a modernization of our current law we have a conversion system that is essentially the same one we have operated in since the turnofthecentury turn of the century. Demographics have changed in the economy has changed but our laws have not. This idea that its inefficient and not working are fair in many cases weighs heavily on voters though speaking to that trying to build the more moderate forwardlooking immigration system and consistent with our values at the same time secures the borders and is consistent with our economy is the key message periods resisting the allure of the vocal minority and speaker to that router valuebased voter that i think makes and breaks whether or not you win. We had a lot of missed opportunities and ive witnessed a lot of those missed opportunities up close. Ultimately i think the demo or affix will help you win that argument one day. Thats kind of where we are right now. There some places we may think around the country that will resonate the most like the border states what we are might we not be thinking about this is going to be an issue. Suburban voters was one agricultural communities. And i think michigan and wisconsin where i talked about there are more newly immigrated communities they are. Their kids are u. S. Citizens and they are going to avert vote in their first election parents may be undocumented. Latino voters many latino voters i will say that people that they know or have Family Members who are stuck in the system. They have been waiting for a visa and they have a friend that some documents a lot of how they will view this issue is through that latinos are going to play a Critical Role in battleground states like arizona places like wisconsin and michigan south carolina. These are places that are largely democrats or republicans have filed for a specific narrative on this issue. My point is we cant just do that didnt alienate a large part of the electorate in those states who are directly affected by this issue. I think also at a time when you have the economy doing so well unemployment is so low businesses in general from an egg if they have got a lot going on right now. You look at dairy farms in wisconsin, they are fighting the trade issues and on top of that they feel like you cant get the work they need and they dont even have a program that works for them. They dont harvest at one time in the year and sit around. They are milking cows all year round. A family friend said if you want to buy farmland in wisconsin the next couple of years is the time to do because dairy farms and farms in general are hurting so much right now. The kids that used to take over the family farms, thats not happening anymore. Agnessa plessis will see this very pronounced but atv has been a big issue with landscapers and construction workers and on top that is. They cant find workers. In the 1950s its been an institution but its closing that they cant find workers. Unemployment being as low as it is you will see that play and more as well. Now were going to turn it over to audience questions. We have the microphone that will be coming around. Go ahead. Hi. I have two questions. Tyler when you said we spend more on enforcement at the border than Law Enforcement dooming federal money . Federal money yes. It was in 2013 so im sure its even more skewed. I guess the other the focus on, the proposals to limit lowwage worker migration and focus more on highskilled as i have understood given the economics across the spectrum is at best elitist and at worst a racist. There policy promotion for that . Within the pub Republican Party they there are two different schools of thought on whether morant immigration or less immigration is a good thing. I come from a freemarket perspective on this and i think we should bring in labor into the economy. There is another wing of the party that has concerns about the effect that has on americans wages and other issues. I think part of the party has become more dump dominated in recent years but the republican core and freemarket comes with immigration help grows our economand can help america rates we were freemarket. It doesnt feel like it very much lately. Anyone else have a question . I also have two questions in my first is that such a wonderful discussion about li and frequent pieces of politics have come out. Personally i believe no one in our country cares about policy. They only care about politics which Means Nothing can happen. My other piece is about Asylum Seekers. We talked about lots of people coming from the southern border and are they really Asylum Seekers or do they just want to have a better life . There are more people throughout the entire world leaving their countries because of danger and i dont see our country talking very much about its responsibility to help Asylum Seekers and is there any constituency for that at all . And you want to edit that because last night we had breaking news that the state department has proposed that the u. S. Refugee ceiling be 18,000 which is a historic low since the inception of the problem. It was 37 this is clearly a drop from the obama years when it was high at 85 and 110. I will add some context to that question. I agree with you in the told the American People that people should have a right to come it legally but by asylum to the president has a big megaphone these made it out like they are criminals and people who are a threat to the country even though millions of people are crossing over the wall. We really have the humanitarian situation. People are coming from the most dangerous places in the world and now he is shut the door and sending them back to mexico. They go through countries that are safer it them here. If candidates talk about this issue people have a right to apply for asylum. Some people are coming further reasons but thats what we need to address the root causes. We need to invest in countries to build up the infrastructure there so people want to stay and can stay and if they want to leave there should be a way for them to do it. In latin america and mexico related folks that are coming we really have to understand what led to this moment and why people dont feel safe and why they are at drugs and gangs that have created conditions in the country that are pushing people to want to come to United States. That is very much been locked in conversation and the United States of america is that your ally like how do we have a conversation about our foreign aid conversation and how that relates to how we are supporting countries in the Southern Hemisphere to create conditions that create better jobs and opportunity in better security in those countries where folks feel like they have to leave. [inaudible] i think fundamentally this is the push and pull right now the conversation which is who are we as a country and what was our immigration system founded on and for people who felt like they could come to the country to create a better life for themselves because they feel safer here than in their home countries or they think its the right conversation and argument to be made about the economics of immigration. Who goes down the street and says kevin how much did you contribute to the Economy Today . At the end of the day this is about people, human beings and washington can often get stuck in this. Voters and immigrants and what have you contributed and was your contributions good as my contribution clicks at the end of the day this is a human conversation about people who are facing real challenges in their home countries. We do have to remember or understand or decide what is it that we have america who was america who is the one founded on this set of principles are we going to continue and that is truly the moment we are in right now if the country is trying to decide who in the United States of america do we want to be in the future . I will add and say ive sat in on many congressional hearings for many hours and its something democrats and republicans will typically agree on the particularly with the crisis we saw play out this summer. We are seeing a decline in the ceiling and its very much a bipartisan issue for a long time so what do you make of that . I dont know. [laughter] theres a lot of rhetoric that is change the way we look at things. Its unfortunate back in the bush years this wasnt how we look at refugees and there are a lot of issues around the world. The other thing that was frustrating to mamas front was the state department and the partners that they use that pipeline is safe and i think and im going back in my head to the attacks and some of things that happened in europe that ultimately led to the sense that bringing in refugees is not safe. We sat with the state department and we went through in depth how do you bet people and people that come to america because of how stricter system is our of bed it until the end of time. There are very specific disqualifications that we use to make sure you have people that are not going to be a security risk. I would say this is probably bigger than an immigration discussion. This is Foreign Policy and americas posture in the globe. I work a lot on trade issues. Goods dont move across borders. Refugees and soldiers will so we have a trade policy right now around the world so thats having a huge impact on our economy. We should have more nafta and bright now the same goes with the state department. We have America First foreignpolicy right now. We are not looking at how do we project smart power around the globe, how do we demonstrate the value that we hold dear to be replicated around the world and we are a strong ally. A lot of that is in question now it has a declining effect on our immigration policy as well. We think offensive its not just comprehensive immigration. We have to have the complements of this comprehensive view of america right now. Theres a lot of tension around that as well. Not back to the audience for questions. The mic is coming your way. I completely agree with you. Id come all the way from boston and i come once a month here. I cant help but to see that we need to have a president and a government so i would like to ask anyone if you if you were the president of the United States what would you do . I think we hear talking and talk in a talking. Ive been through all the immigration people, health care. You name it ive been there at this is about america. That is how i feel. Thank you for being here. Thank you for the question. Boiling it down and what is the most effective strategy on immigration and i will pose a to each of you. In terms of a compromise, this is where we will live. So i think that Central Organization having a strong leader both of it is guiding republicans or guiding democrats putting anyone who is in the white house. You have to know where they are at the end of the day. Particularly with this president. The publicans are looking for cover on this issue. He can give them that to move on these legal issues but they want to know it is all part of the broader team strategy. I think that is key. The other thing i would say is, the publicans in the house and republicans in the senate, thus congress tried to and ration bills, we couldnt pass anything that went out democrat support. The democrats have been able to move some things in the house it was a struggle. Get everybody on the same page and ultimately it was a political statement, not trying to go towards a compromise and think. They miss some things across the finish line but at the end of the day this has to be bipartisan. The only way to do this is republicans in the middle and democrats in the middle and coming together and figuring out how to put together that compromise. Until we get back in a room and Start Talking across the aisle about how to do this, we are going to remain undersides. I completely agree. There have two be a super clear vision and set of principles from the white house. Theyre wheeling to negotiate on and with are not wheeling to negotiate on, having a strategy. Bipartisan partners in health. How long will it take for us, both of trumpets president is in 2021. To break this cycle that we are in right now. There is no good faith or trust in the process right now. The challenge for us is how do in order for us to build that compromise their either has to be good faith and trust. From both sides. T capital to the white house, in order to actually get something done. I think that Something Like a bigger challenge that we have to think about with regard to our democracy into our current political system. How do we rebuild that trust in good faith. I think there is a big question on this new era that we are in, for all the critiques that the obama administration, using executive authority, trump has used that same thing the same authority on a number of issues. Theres a big question in the use of executive authority after donald trump his president. Have we sent or set a new precedent about that. On immigration rate other issue. It was wrong then and it was wrong now. Theres enough hypocrisy to go around in washington. When i think we are making a case for is that principles, this is the case study no, principles could shape or should shape the politics. Going back to the question of what would you do if you know president. After i would ban scooters [laughter]. What is the status on that. [laughter] thats my one issue for mayor. The other thing i focus on is awesome power that every good parent president has seated upon become a uniter. I would go into these offices at capitol hill and im going to supporting you we do support against me. But i need you in this and this and we are going to Work Together on it. By the way im going to do all of the hard work to get the republicans to do the same. That right now is the awesome power of the president. Hes a big uniter about the future of the country where we are going. To project that to the world, i think is really where we can use the focus. I agree, i just think that the scooters [laughter]. Bipartisan agreement on banning scooters. I agree what you said, someone needs to come in on immigration. Viewing it as a positive thing to strengthen our country. Makes us stronger. That alone, is going to make a huge difference and the elbow braced to have a conversation to where we can bring folks together. Ill leave it at that. [laughter] i think we have time for just one more question. The mic is inouray. On thank you very much for a wonderful conversation. I wish the four of you could write the platform for both parties for 2020. [laughter] we will wrap it up on that kind note. [applause] thank you so much to our cattle and thank you for joining us. Adjusting my opportunity to make a couple of questions. I know that it sounds so divisive and very depressive but at the end of the day, you heard from her palaces that there can be a way forward. We are going into the elections. The candidates will try to draw the sanctions some of them will try to go to work our basic instinct to trail the parties but i things on all of this to participate in the cycle to hold them accountable for not just the platitudes in the bumper stickers with the policy ideas. Ask them in detail how do you plan to get this done. When i watch the first democratic debate, and i saw every candidate talk about what they could do with their executive and in the hundred days, and undo what the president did. But i didnt hear them say is how they would Work Congress get things done. That has happened. We have to have a leader and members of congress that are wheeling to make this process work to go back to making the process that governs our country work. So think about that as you go to the polls. Not just your Favorite Party or looks good on tv, not just with the bumper stickers are staying but who is going to make our system to back to work. Thank you all again again. 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