Antisemitism and Holocaust Denial were called upon tore bold in mission of education and outreach, than pfer before through events like this one 237 tonight efnght is indeed a special one. This is the launch of a new edition of shore yongd shore a powerful memoir by dr. Butter, a survivor of two concentration camps who is dedicated her life to holocaust education, and peace activism. Shes the cofounder of the melts and lecture series at june university of michigan where professor of public health. Shes one of the founders of arab jew picture women Dialogue Group in ann arbor were also so pleased to have with us her coauthor john and chris holloway. Were honored to have dr. Butter in conversation with Andrew Solomon renown author of far from the tree. Parent, children, and the search for identity as well as noon day deemen in suppression which won the 2001 National Book award for nonfiction. Hes professor of clinical medical scrnlg at the a Columbia Medical Center and former president ofman America Center web an i want to share with you briefly his reaction to shores yongd shores. After reading this memoir he was inspired to write that quote, i butter book is triumph of clarity and con decision written with a passionate intent to inform and with not a shred of selfpity by profound and intimate and bears witness to family who drew strength from one another even through the darkness of the holocaust. It is a shockingly honest and hopeful book. Left quite a response and with that is is our starting point looking forward to this conversation. We will have an audience q and a afterward web and following that, bookses from both are distinguish guests will be on sale in the museum shop and authors will be available for a signing in main lobby. I would like to welcome our cspan viewers watching us on booktv were going to now watch a brief video about not long ago not far away, this is the exhibition currently on view at our museum. And after that a program will begin thank thank you so much. Not long ago, with the not far away. Now open at the museum of jewish heritage a living memorial to the holocaust. For exhibition tickets visit auschwitz. Nyc. [applause] [silence] let me begin by thanking museum of jew picture heritage for hosting this ping important conversation. Thanks to the books coauthors thanks to mary beak who helped organize this event and many thanks. Thank you first of all to dr. Irene you heard enthusiasm of my response to the book that was read aloud before so i dont again but i will say it is extraordinary book extraordinary in part simply because it tells story of the holocaust over and again every time you read it that may come as a shock. But also extraordinary because it is a transforms that is describes irene went from her original experiences as a small child in germany through the many painful experiences of the war and then on to a life afterwards. It is very encompassing and humane. I think it is a very, very important book so im honored to be here with you. Thank you very much. Why dont we begin with a quick description of soft what happened and where you were and where you went. So my book is a memoir that covers the first 15 years of my life. I was born in berlin. And at age seven, my family left to immigrate to netherlands because of hitler and prosecution of the jews my father and father was a partner and when bank was taken away by the nazis because jews were not allowed to own a bank anymore. My father was unemployed and that led him to netherlands. Hoping that we would be safe there, we were in holland two years before the invasion by the nazis, and, of course, instantly wholl land became an occupied country. Things happened very gradually. Rights were taken away from the jews one by one. And, of course, the worst was the it deportation eventually so we were deported to first which was concentration camp also called a transit catch and after eight months we were sent to bellson, and after bergen belle son we have incredible fortune of being included in a Prisoner Exchange between germany and america. America was sending german citizens who had lived in america but couldnt go back to germany when the war began, and held jews with american passports for this Prisoner Exchange and we were included in one of the few transports out of bergen bellson in after having been there, almost a year, and barely surviving then sadly my father died on the train, the second night on the train, and when we arrived in switzerland my mother and my brother were so ill they had to be hospitalized immediately. The swiss did not allow me to stay there. So i was sent to a displaced persons camp a refugee camp in algiers north average africa took one year before i was able to come to america. We had family who provided affidavit eventually and took six more months for my mother and brother to come to america. So altogether, i was separated for 18 months from my mother and brother, four days after i had lost my father. So thats the outline of the story. Sometimes people ask me why did you wait so long to write this book is . And some of it has to do with just being very busy raising a family, elderly parents, a career and so after retirement i began to consider this, and i must say im really glad that i waited so long because i think the book is far more relevant today than it would have been ten or 20 years ago had i had the time to write it. Talk a little bit about your parents and your female and the experience that you have in being with them. I think it was unusual for a whole family to remain intact through two different camps. And for that length of time. Do you think you would have been able to make it without having been altogether in that way . My brother help to give us resilience and support and the strength to try to survive. Extraordinary thing about the book i will not make that inevitable comparison but the early chapters not in the voice of a child but as it goes on you can see that narrative through the character growing older. Do you think thats true to your experience quick. It is quite intentional to do that because many books written by Holocaust Survivors usually they were children when they experience this but not from the point of view of the child but what did they see and what does the child think with the background in that conceptual information what does a child make out of living under those circumstances . So we try very hard to cooperate with the child. When i said we spoke on the phone some time ago it was extraordinary to imagine what it was like for parents to go to the luxury from the darkness and you said it had nothing to do with that it was just the way there was not luxury before. The nazis certainly did not care who you were or young or old male or female in treating everybody the same. And those who have a lower standard of living just because they had less before the camps. But thats just my perspective. But this is half way through. We kept trying to make sense of everything to make things better as if there was to be any understanding and certainly no promise and with the notion that good people were capable of surviving. Tell me about that idea trying to make sense out of the experience and how you did that. I dont think i ever made sense out of it. I think what helped me a great deal and people who survived, of course some of it is luck but you have to have a purpose and a goal and a strong will to survive under those circumstances. I did and one of my dreams at that time as a young girl i had read books about heidi. There were some similarities. She lost her parents, lived with her grandfather in switzerland and was skiing so my dream was i would survive and go to switzerland and live in the mountains and learn how to ski and that helped me. Did you learn how to ski ever quick. Never. There still time. [laughter] so talk about the idea of the self image of the victim before you did public speaking and when they started to write the book it when you went through the. There was a sense you were going from a victim to be something very different. Certainly i was a victim during those horrible years and those experiences but just because i was the victim the then, didnt mean i was a victim for the rest of my life and as i thought about that i began to realize its much and then to think of myself as a survivor because as a victim i was powerless and people could manipulate anything in my environment and could make choices and help other people and do good things to move forward. That was my life so that shaped that selfimage. The one thing that strikes me different is significant emotional attachment do you describe the the friendships and in particular to be with the other girls your age taking care of the children and the little tiny children and under these incredible adverse circumstances to give them comfort and everybody is out for themselves but people within the camp who were willing to pause long enough to recognize one anothers humanity. Of course the children had to bring out the humanity. They were so hungry and listless and passive. So it became very important and maybe introduce some humor or song or even get them to smile even if it was just for a second. We didnt have clothing or toys we could just give them love that was important. And there was the role reversal they could no longer take care of my brother and me so it was our duty because we had more strength and resilience there was another reason for me to fight for survival because i was taking care of my parents so i had to survive for them for that reason and taking care of other people of that ceiling a feeling of ratification even under these terrible circumstances to have someone take care of someone. A sociologist once said we not only take care of our children because we love them but we love them because we take care of them. Thats a very powerful comment tell me how that takes place to be such an extraordinary man doing everything you could to faith and family was that a role reversal my mother became very ill and was bedridden for several months in the camp before we left. I was the only one who could take care of her. My father accepted it as well. But they were so weak and so miserable they thought anybody could make a difference what a fighter got more parenting from them but that was not possible. Before you are put on the plane to switzerland and you were mistaken for him your mother quick. Yes one day there was an announcement anybody who had south american passports , which we had and the reason why we were included in the Prisoner Exchange. We had to be go to the camp doctor. So my mother were already was already bedridden for several months and said that they should dresser and walker there but she collapsed right after we got her dressed and out of bed so we took her back to bed so then we had the names checked off by the doctor and then my father came back from europe and later we only find out he was brutally beaten but he was so weak and miserable and was barely conscious. So we walked to the station for a screening he said its impossible i have to lie down and then after a while we begged him to come. Because this seemed to be our only chance ever out of belgium. So eventually he agreed and leaning heavily on me because he could barely walk. We come to the station to the doctor and he says to my father he says you are john . Are you sick . He said no and then he looked at me and checked off my mothers name and said your children have ready been here so be ready tomorrow. [laughter] know whether a 14 yearold girl looked looked like a 45 yearold woman nobody knows. We were both very skinny and wearing rags. But that did it. Talk about the pink blanket. Thats on the back cover of the book and i had received as a young child in berlin and i even took it to the concentration camps. It gave me a great deal of comfort like a comfort blanket. I always had it with me. And i still have it now. Maybe you have seen it at the exhibition upstairs. The blanket has seen a lot and experienced a lot i also think it should be in the museum. I hope that it will be. So now another short passage from the book and i will ask you to explain. He likes the hanky express was important to get to know other people in other places if we do that its a sure way to have more friends than enemies im not sure i agree anymore. We seem to have a lot of enemies they looked us in the face. They never bothered to get to know us i dont think they really saw us. Tell me about that which is that mean quick. It makes you feel like a non entity, nothing human , nothing recognized as a person in auschwitz people just had numbers and they were a number thats the only identity that they had numbers tattooed but if they dont look at you, then you feel like a nobody and you are nothing. Do you think with those passports from ecuador your family would have survived the war quick. Nobody knows but we left berlin three months before it was liberated and considering the conditions of my parents , i have doubts they would have lived that long. My brother possibly but he had a very bad inspections why dont know if they would have taken him. The passports were the important element. Not everybody with passports survived not everybody was exchanged but in our case, it was a good fortune. Explain the purpose obviously you had not experience the life so tell about getting them and how they came to play. Again its part of the exhibition that shows it comes from lithuania who issued passports to jews and there were consoles in many European Countries if they could rescue them to save their lives. So my father had met a friend in amsterdam who had just received the passport for him and he gave my father the name of a man in stockholm and he said to send in for passport pictures. You dont have to say very much in your letter because he would know why you are sending it. So we were hoping we could receive these passports in the mail but that did not happen. We were deported when the passports had not arrived. Two or three months later they arrived in the camp that in itself was a miracle because passports were sent to the home address in amsterdam and we never got an email forwarded from home and then one day the passports came. So probably it was something to do with the fact the nazis had a policy that Means Exchange they were eager to have a reserve of jews with passports that they could use to get german citizens who were in Foreign Countries when the war began that could not come back to germany so they wanted to have their germans back to help win the war. s when the passports arrived we were no longer at risk of being deported to auschwitz. So we would pray every single week to leave and then we became the exchange jews and we were a special category and a few months later we were sent and they told us that it is an Exchange Camp and its better than where we were which was a total misstatement and we wouldnt be there very long because we would be exchanged but it turned out to be a slow death camp. No gas chambers. But the survival rate was very very low. We were there almost one year before the exchange actually took place i only know of one other group that left and they went to palestine and there were 200 people who were sent to palestine and other than tha that, we were the second group even though there were several thousand jews with passports. I will read one more passag passage, i promise to myself was not to tell anybody what i had seen they had enough to worry about i had to start acting like a big girl i heard other people talk about the dead bodies it turned out to be a man and they didnt seem upset. But when they asked if i was okay she looked at me when you got back and just said she was sorry. I was mad. That is lovely description even at that point when she is not very well talking about what happened with your relationship and what was going on. When you see so much death day after day and week after week, i hate to admit this but it is a normal site to see a dead body. But that was the first time and it affected me very deeply. And i think that somehow that site stayed with me always , that First Experience to see a dead body. I have never forgotten. Describe what it was like when you got to algeria and on the way there is a wonderful description of people finishing lunch with a lot of leftover food hamburgers. And the cook just through them overboard and your response thats what could have saved your father or hundreds of lives as it was thrown to the fish. It was the first time i had seen hamburger in years. So i ate too many. [laughter] i was very uncomfortable so i went on the deck to lie down on the ground because that is all i could do. Then the man came out of the kitchen with a huge plate of hamburgers and i heard them splash into the sea and it was such an incredible shock after having starved and longing for food day and night and never be satisfied. And then to see that happen, happen, even to this day im not able to waste food. That is very important. I will read something else. I was 12 years old we were taken into custody on or about the evening of may 20th. The officers took off her shoelaces and belts and valuables then transported to a detention center. There were many children the lights were on all the time including all night i was not allowed to bathe while i was there. Was taken to a Second Detention Center also here i was not allowed to bathe and it was very cold. I got sick because it was so cold. I had a fever and a headache and a throat ache and aches all over my body. I told the guards i was sick. I was sick for a total of five days and nobody took me to a separate place for sick kids. The guards were mean and scary and yelled at us. One day they demanded to know who has food will go to prison they yelled. They found one kid who was 15 years old who had bread the officials handcuffed his wrist i was very shocked and scared. It is very sad here. Im hungry all the time so hungry i woke up in the middle of the night with hunger. Sometimes at 4 00 a. M. Or other hours times two scared to ask for more food i saw a child once the guard said no you have to ration. And wish i could say that was from this book but testimony from the texas border from may of this year and tell me how you respond. It is devastating. Seventyfive years after the holocaust that we should see these practices to separate children from their families and treating them with little older children without clothing or food or medical care, it is incomprehensible especially in our country, amer. It demonstrates that we have not learned that history will repeat itself. And for me it says we have that responsibility to act. You cant just say this is happening in texas. We cant do everything or help everyone but every one of us can do something and it is extremely important for those who were sitting at the ca