Transcripts For CSPAN2 After Words Gregg Jarrett Witch Hunt

CSPAN2 After Words Gregg Jarrett Witch Hunt July 13, 2024

Its great to be with you. Thank you for having me. When i first heard the president use the term witchhunt and that tweet, much like he used fake news, the fact that the election could be rigged, all of these things, for people like me who has spent most of my professional life in washington, d. C. , kind of recoil. They are bold praises. Now you have borrowed this phrase for your book. Why . Because he is very telling. People tend to forget that there are no real which is. This overwhelming irrational desire is what propels a witch hunt. That is what happened here. An astonishing array of smart people. Convincing themselves and millions of others. The president had committed one of the most obnoxious crimes there is in the criminal codes treason. Conspiracy with Vladimir Putin hatched in the bowels of the kremlin. Stealing the 2016 election. It was based on, not a shred of of credible evidence. The book explains how now we know true testimony of those involved, they never had any plausible evidence to launch the original fbi investigation in 2016. Nine months later when the special counsel was appointed, they still had no evidence. The appointment itself violated the regulations authorizing the appointment. I explain how in the book. One of the things that struck me as truly amazing is that the appointment was made by Deputy Attorney general Rod Rosenstein. It was not based on the evidence or the law. It was based on vegans. He named a special counsel because rosenstein had become angry with the president. He was overwrought. He was emotional. An active retaliation he appointed bob mueller. Think about this. Twentytwo month Long National nightmare because one guy got angry. He knew what he had done was wrong. The day of the appointment. After it was announced. He is confronted in his office about what he had done. The abuse of a regulation. He cowers behind his desk and he blubbers am i going to get fired. That tells you he knew what he had done was wrong. If he had gotten fired earlier, we may have avoided so much of this drama. Go back to this whole idea of donald trump prebeing elected to the presidency. This relationship with russia, i still have flashbacks to all the interviews and stuff in the runup to the republican nomination and the general election of 2016. There was always this intrigue about donald trump made by russia or bailed out by russia. A constant theme. No fax or even details. Where did this come from . It began originally with Hillary Clinton in early 2016. She began to pepper her speeches with references to trump and putin that trump might be, you know, a kremlin. Do you think she believed that or she just knew it was potent politics . One of the Unanswered Questions is did she get it from cia director john brennan who was already beginning to investigate trump and any potential ties with russia. He has described in my book as the instigator of the witchhunt. He put together an Interagency Task force that grew to be the foundation of the russia hoax and the investigation. Used by the fbi, and, in particular the head of counterintelligence for the fbi. The point person in the witchhunt. We dont know whether it was something that came from the rich imagination of Hillary Clinton or john brennan or both. James clapper was involved. He turned out to be the prodigious leader. I explain his leaks in the book. It all came to a head when the Hillary Clinton campaign and the committee paid for russian disinformation that was composed by next british spy. The amazing part, and i explain this in the witchhunt, that he puts together his antitrump dossier. Licketysplit. Within the course of 10 days to 14 days of being hired. That is impossible. You read the first memo of his dossier. That is a kind of information that would take months, if not years. Source information on the ground in russia. Not more than 10 years. Whether it is true or not about donald trump. I think in the end, i think russian disinformation was little tidbits of truth. Classic this information. Anyone could find it on the internet. Did christopher steal or brennan and the obama appointees, did they use allies to try to handle some of this . Dark places that they could watch their hands to try to stop trump. The cia, they are not allowed under law. They are prohibited under that. They outsourced it. Keeping people in the campaign. Overseas. So they could feed them information that could be used to justify their investigation. They use confidential informants like a longterm cia asset i the professor in great britain. And in the fbi, we are a cii, we, we are not sure, since in an fbi analyst under a fake name. Described as a sexy model blonde. Seducing George Papadopoulos who is a minor proliferative volunteer junior advisor on the Trump Campaign. What they end up getting is not incriminating information. What they got was exculpatory information. It was hidden in the backyard. Covered up. Amazing how that works. Understanding this rotten stench. I dont like saying it. That comes from really high up Law Enforcement officials. Government. You kind of have to wind the tape back and go all the way back. Not the way back to all the clinton scandals because that is a long tape. The Hillary Clinton ben ghazi tragedy, her tradition to keep in the bathroom of their home. Her decision to have an outside the normal government process to collect emails and data. All of that becomes quite a scandal as moeller, as the fbi director, comey is the fbi director, has to go through and figure out how do i handle all of this scandal. In reading your book again, i felt like i lived every moment of that. It is quite extraordinary. The result of all of that. Tell us the story. Chapter one is entitled a tale of two cases. It compares the clinton investigation to the trump investigation. It demonstrates the disparity of treatment. The unequal prosecution and justice that is based not on the law, but based on politics and partisanship. The bottom line is Hillary Clinton committed acts that constitute felonies. It is abundantly clear. A violation. The espionage act. James comey said there is no similar case that someone has been prosecuted for that. Prosecuted for exactly what Hillary Clinton did. That is just not true. Reasonable prosecutors brought innumerable cases. Knowing what clinton did was a crime. Most to pull crimes. The statement two months before even being interviewed. In it, he uses the language of the espionage act. Then he presents that statement to his staff and says i still want to clear her. The staff says, well, you, you cannot clear her if you just found her guilty of a crime under the espionage act. He sits down at his computer with his lover, lisa page, standing over his shoulder. He eliminates the incriminating words. And substitute something that is actually synonymous. It sounds not in the criminal code. Extremely careless. It had been borrowed from barack obama. Based on that, he cleared cleared Hillary Clinton. He twisted the facts in order to clear her. Doesnt he say that he was ordered to do that . Yes. By the department of justice. Headed by Loretta Lynch who just before comey clears clinton meets on the tarmac on a plane with bill clinton, but, yeah, theyre just talking about grandkids and golf. She owes much of her success. Viewed as a close ally. He elevated her. She eventually became the attorney general. He advanced her career. She then pretends to recuse herself in the case, but she does not actually recuse herself from the case. You know, there are people that dont like the clintons. Did not vote for Hillary Clinton who really get into the whole dynamics of the story. We have a lot of people watching this show that our clinton supporters. It might just bring out the worst of what Hillary Clinton did. Why does it matter . Breaking the espionage act. She says she does this, but for a matter of convenience. We can understand that. Why was it a problem to keep her emails vulnerable . Jeopardizing National Security. As i explain in the book, document subsequent to her being clear, demonstrate Foreign Companies obtain her emails. Classified documents as well. That jeopardizes our National Security. When President Trump, before he was president , his point was she says she deleted the emails it is a fact that our enemies read the emails. It was ironic and tragic. It may be truthful. Actually referring to russia. Let us know. It was obviously said. It turns out that it was likely true. Some of the hacked emails ended up in russian hands. They were hacked through a russian server. I think it is hard for people that support the clintons and voted for Hillary Clinton, greg, so what. This was about hot yoga and wedding plans and what we are going to have for dinner. This is quite an Extensive Research project. Indications that the emails were destroyed because there were sensitive conversations. Entirely successful in the emails. That would be an obstruction of justice. Congress had asked her to preserve it. When you defy congress with a subpoena, they were not under subpoena. Reprimanding. Did she destroyed these emails after congress had made it very clear . Congress had sent in writing or request to preserve evidence. A subpoena was forthcoming at that point. That is still obstruction of justice. It turns out that some of the emails she destroyed turned up elsewhere. Some of them contained very sensitive government information it was not yoga and wedding plans. Are they all public . Her explanation is simply untrue. And, yet, in, in addition to violating the espionage act and the evidence is overwhelming that she did, she destroy documents that congress had demanded and, when you receive preservation, you have to abide by it. Not only that, i am a former former government official. My wife has just recently left government services. This is her second go round. You have an obligation to retain records. That is explained to you on your very first day of the job. You dont need a letter from congress or from an ig to notify you. You are told immediately that you have to keep those records. The reason is, when you work for an administration, every day is history. The taxpayer has a right to be able to have a process that everyone gets to see that information because its part of our history. Transparency and accountability. Under the federal records act, anything you do in writing in the course and scope of your employment is not your property. The government and the american peoples property. There was nothing on Hillary Clintons state Department Email account. Empty. Zero. Everything she did in the scope of her employment was kept at her home on a private server. You are jeopardizing National Security. Also violating federal law. She signed a document on her first day in office saying i understand these rules. She received a tutorial on here is the law you must follow it. She signed two separate documents acknowledging it and saying i will abide i it. She already knew that fro senate. Having received the same instructions about how you have to preserve documents and you cannot jeopardize National Security by leaking them. She well knew the rules, but she ignored them with impunity because she felt she was above the law and that the rules just do not apply to her. You are a lawyer. What is your legal background . I was a defense attorney for many years in san francisco. A lot of people to defend out there. Most of my clients are still behind bars. [laughter] that is a lawyer joke. My point is, if you look at this black letter law, you sign the document, you know what the document is saying. You understand that the concept of records. Overhang the river there in little rock. They know all about records because they have a museum that houses them. You dont get a pick and choose what those records are. If it is hillary with a different surname, what kind of legal penalties would someone face . Inevitable federal indictment issued by a grand jerry. It is a slamdunk case. Loretta lynch knows this. James comey knows this. What intervenes, as you said, to make to make that stop . Loretta lynch just saying to the fbi, we are are not going. We will not prosecute this. This is a matter. This is an investigation. Former top officials at the fbi, who were there at the time all of this unfolded testified behind closed doors. That testimony has since been released. Very few journalists have actually read it. Thousands of pages of testimony. For example, you know, know, lisa page at the fbi admitted under oath that they were told by the department of justice that no charges would be brought against Hillary Clinton. You know, comey stood in front of cameras and said, the department of justice does not know what im about to do. They knew. They were directing it. A lot of people believed that nothing like this really could have happened without the president , the Vice President being aware of that. You could not find any proof of that. People just have to survive how high up the food chain this went. As i lay out the facts in the book witchhunt, when the change in the exoneration statement was made to clear her, first implicating her and then clearing her, he seems pretty upset about that publicly. It was strange wording. He was being so aggressive. He was. With his language. It all came to an interview that barack obama had done several months before. This was a public instruction. I dont want Hillary Clinton to be prosecuted. What she had done was careless. That was the language at comey eventually adopted after finding she was in violation of the law. Gross negligence. He did. He told the Inspector General when he was interviewed that he paid close attention to what barack obama had said. She is just careless and it did not jeopardize National Security exactly what comey ended up saying on july 5, 2016 when he cleared her. He was adopting, not just the language of president obama, but, essentially, a public order maybe an unfair question, but do you think barack obama sent every signal he could to make sure that Hillary Clinton got a pass on her legality. His method was actually quite clever and ingenious. There will be no paper trail. I am not going to tell people at the department of justice or fbi what to do. But i will go on television and tell everybody what to do, and they will hear it. That is right. Then the story takes a turn. First of all, all of these various aspects of the clinton world. They are on defense. She has committed crimes. She has to get herself out of this. This terrible tragedy in benghazi. This testimony up on the hill. Its not about the victims, it is kind of about her. Congress goes through various considerations of investigations of benghazi. The last investigation, they actually find. How many did they have in the house . There were multiple dueling investigations going on at the same time. Trey gaudis investigation investigation was probably the foremost. Had it not been for the deceptions by Hillary Clinton and the state department about benghazi, we would have never discovered this private server. Hundreds of thousands of emails and classified documents were stored at her home. To me, it seems that the folks that you chronicle in the book, the fbi, predominantly by mr. Brennan and folks in the Intelligence Community switch then and go on offense. Some point in this process. We have to stop him. They take extraordinary measures to try to dig up dirt. Overseas. Specifically with russia to kind of push it towards the Clinton Campaign to make the idea of voting for donald trump a repugnant thing for voters. How did that possibly happen . There were two parts to the plan. Part number one was to exploit. Christopher steele. The fbi was unable to verify. They tried, but they could not. You cannot verify something that does not exist that is a lie. The plan was to leak it to the media. And, they assumed that the media would run crazy with this story. It would damage trump politically and ensure Hillary Clintons election in november, 2016. Many members of the media did pick up in the story, it did not quite in traction and resonate with American Voters when trump was elected. The insurance policy was plan b. The insurance policy famous from the lisa page text message. We have an insurance policy. The insurance policy was the fbi investigation if donald trump one, we would kick it into overdrive. And really go after him and make our investigation of him as a, you know, a potential or alleged russian asset. They did it in january 2017 before he was even sworn into office. Comey, clapper, brennan concocted this plan. Selectively give him information about the dossier. Gauge his reaction and use that meeting as a pretext to leak it to the media and that is how the dossier was published. Once it was published, the media was off to the races with the russia hoax. The troubling part of that is, you know, there are times where you have to exploit sensitive information. It is hard to do with the leader of the free world. It seemed like they were using this leverage of blackmail over the president. They were. That seems to be. Very hoover ask. It really was. We thought those days were over. One final question before we go into the fbi and the consequences on that piece of the story. And all the dossier that we have read about and watched all of the indepth reporting on it and Everything Else, and all of this work that Hillary Clinton campaigned, the deep state,

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