Be hoping to finally comes to the topic of parenting . Guest i think its pretty basic. We have done a lot of polling about what parents think about certain policies, how they view the federal governments response and dr. Fauci. We were interested in checking in to see a see a base of our s to become what are they experiencing, what other day to day lives like. The responses we got were pretty grim. Host a lot of this if i understand correctly because schools were closing day care, patterson more time at home to get these basic responsibilities. Responsibilities. How to factor into the Overall Results of what u you found . Guest thats right. A colleague of mine aei conducted a report about when a lot of the Public Schools had closed and the majority of them closed about midmarch. If you do the math for parents who cant rely on day care schools are some mechanics now, they were entering month five of people who are working and doing fulltime jobs and taking care of the kids fulltime. Host when to take a look at these issues to get a sense of who youre talking to come to find what parents are in this report. How do you define that . On aest this is based National Survey so we interviewed all of americas aged 18 and up and this report was based on parents who had a child and housed under under the age of 18. Host single parents, to couple families, how does that work . Guest yes. Across the board with different types of families and different family arrangements. We sawty some pretty significant differences out folks are experiencing parenting during the pandemic. Not surprisingly too. Households doing much better than singleparent households in terms of feelings of depression, feeling lonely or socially isolated and not having enough time for yourself. The majority of singleparent households express those feelings at least once a week. Host will go into that but if youll want to ask our guests questions about this topicic we divide the lights differently. If youre bear such own under age of 18 you can call and ask your questions one of the things you start off with talking about this, dan cox that was his idea of the level of comfort for returning to school. We could sure t the graph but tk with the numbers about whats been the nubs, parents were telling you about the Comfort Level that standing ticket back. One of the interesting things is this study was conducted back in early june so before we saw the second surge and with school return of the more distant. Now its five, six weeks with a lot of parents and so its much more of an imminent thing. Thinks that shifted a bit but most what i seen is consistent with her own suggest parents are uncomfortable with the idea of sending the kids back to school. We saw this acrosstheboard but some express more in than others. Mothers were more concerned than positive about syndicates back to school. Parents of color were more concerned than white parents. There was also someen Racial Disparities as well. Its not just the schools. If you look across a variety of different measures, whether its going to the movies or restaurants, even having some over to your house. Parents are some difficult and less comfortable engaging in all these different types of social activities thanta nonpayers. Host just to show the chart, 56 ofho those mothers expressing when it comes to syndicate back to school, daycare, very uncomfortable. 24 saying somewhat uncomfortable. 42 of father saying they were very uncomfortable with hisis idea. Does this idea about discomfort extend to going to a shopping mall, going to a park, et cetera . How far does ago . Guest we asked i think around ten or 12 different items including playgrounds. So going with your child to the playground. A lot of parents in my neighborhood, certainly but i think about the country for taking the kids to the playground outside, supposed to be safe with the interactivity but again we are seeing a lot of discomfort. Being an counter with something does not mean you will not necessarily do but it may mean how you approach ityb would be different. When it comes to schools, thas a whole different ballgame because its inside, because the latest Research Suggests kids as young as ten years old can transmit as well as adults. Soso theres a lot of uncertainy around the information and a lot of trepidation and anxiety among pairs. Host how much to finances factor into their ability to send a child to day care more than they usually are under a normal circumstance so to speak . Guest its huge. We are hearing reports of affluent parents trying to start like to own micro schools or pandemic pods where they work with a couple of different families, hire a tutor or a teacher and create their own kind of school and find it where kids are getting professional instruction. Thats very expensive and not availableto to the majority of students, certainly not lowincome students. Were seeing differences and what we saw in her survey edges of people are faring, sort of emotional managing this crisis, that wealthier parents are unable to manage because have more resources whether to hire nannies or sort of offload some of the principal responsibilities to others. One of the interesting findings in terms of how they spend their time, parents are spending a lot of time just doing basic housework. Talk about childcare anddj importance of those responsibilities for parents but majority of parents said they are sending so many hours a day every day and just keeping the house clean and running. Host because we show people the chart of what the parents response but why focus on household work per se . Guest if parents are like my, you have your kids are in 20 4 7 is a lot more to clean it, a lot more good being tracked in and just keeping up with basic household chores is a lot more difficult when you have you one in the house. Host 26 of of the spiritsf respondents responding say they are spending more than four hours each day doing housecleaning and other activities. Goes down to 16 of parents saying its about three to four hours hours and if you compare to nonparents and parents without children about 40 en of saying theyre doing three to four hours of cleaning per day. Again theres more to the study if you would ask our guest, 2027488000 for those parents under the age of 18, or parents with children under the age of 18 and then all others 2027488001. On the political front, and you can factor the skin, daniel cox. Theres a story ine the wall street journal about the congressional role should be in offering assistance. The highlight the fact is back in march approving the family first Coronavirus Response act which provides 12 weeks of paid leave for employees or parents of homebound children to the end of 2020. You can talk about the specific or talk about the large aspects of providing that resource. What you think, good thing, i think, is there a next . Guest as a parent i think its kind of a nobrainer. We know about Childcare Centers will need additional funds if theyre going to bring on and installst ppe and all the Different Things that will be required to w do. I actually have a twoyearold and a fouryearold who are in day care doctor the daycare just reopened after having to do a whole mess of additional processes and protocols which is expensive. A lot of Day Care Centers and schools are going to need some additional financial support. Theres a recent report by another think tank in washington, d. C. That what they found was at least half of all daycare spot in the u. S. Could be gone as a result of the pandemic. Host this is again daniel cox of the American Enterprise institute who serves as a Research Fellow for the organization that will start off with mark, a parent of kids in new york in amsterdam. You are on with our guest. Hello, you are on, how are you today . Both of you gentlemen, i should say. Mr. Cox, im try to figure something out and know what is your been able to answer this simple question for me. What is more valuable or what would cost more, federal aid to keep parents who cannot work home so that they can take care of their kids, or the life of the child . I mean, which one . I know weve seen Human Capital coming out of the white house as a term. What is the Human Capital value of a child in america today, according to the American Enterprise institute and or your self . Guest right. I mean, this is more ethical question for a lot of folks but i think when you think about the folks that are hurt because of the pandemic, theres been a lot of anecdotal evidence and research that suggests women and mothers are bearing disproportionally negative impact to their careers. There was a recent study found among parents who could work because theyre taking care of the kids come 80 of those are women. We think about the financial toll, economic cost, its affecting a lot of people across a lot of walks of life. We cant ignore the fact that women are bearing the brunt in terms of their finances and their careers. Host fort myers, florida, our line for others. Susan, hello. [inaudible] thank you for taking my call. Im a grandma, 77, world war ii. I understand all the things youre pointing out but id like to point out a different type of education that is being transmitted. These children, our children are frightened. The adults in the room are scaring the daylights out of them. Between the politics, the covid, they are frightened and they do not understand. In fact, a lot of the adults dont understand. Its really a sad thing because children learn what you live. You can talk from now until doomsday. They will take their cue from what they see people doing and their behavior. The second point i would like to make is, i like hollywood. I like the Entertainment Industry and everything, but can they possibly produce any more garbage . Everything on that television is violence, sadism and sex. I mean, cant you be funny without being dirty, you know . Its overwhelming and children are victims of this. Host thank you very much. If i would just jump on the last part of, if you want to start the, the role of technology when it comes to the current situation. You can bring in the matter of content as the caller was talking about. Guest in terms of the new technology its been a boon. I think a small release to a lot of pairs. Window close to threequarters of the parents said they use videoconferencing to connect with family and friends. Many of whom they dont feel comfortable getting in touch with in person. I think thats been something thats been great. Theres been a lot of discussion about how Virtual Education has a lot of limitations, but in terms of it providing at least available outlet and possibilities for students, its something we would not have had the opportunity to even do a decade or two ago. Host because of who called, is there a generational role in this . She identified herself as a grandmother. Iis suppose they could be and assistance to the parents as well. I know you report may not touch on itt directly but other other studies that show the role of multiparent or having grandparents and the like involved in this process . Guest i think that grandparents and older caregivers have been, played a Critical Role for a lot of parents who are struggling, particularly parents who are both working. There was a recent study by the foundation that when we talk about schools reopening at the potential threat, 3. 3 million kids are being raised on the households with either older caregivers or grandparents. When we talk about people who are vulnerable, we need to think not just of children and teachers,lk all those those are two groups that are very important but also some of these older caregivers would be at high risk. Host on the flipside of that because you talked about parents working from home, whats the flexibility level of employers these days fa period has to stay home to take care of the child gets about in school, how are employers i guess factoring in . Guest we didnt look at that in our particular survey but the evidence weve seen is a lot of employers are being as flexible as they can. So if they can do extended work from home, office hours work, you know, theyre tied to make it work for their employees. This can only go on for so long. If youan are a parent taking cae of your kids all day and try to teach a do Home Learning activities and try to do your work hour after they go to bed between the hours of eight and qam, theres only so many days we can continue to do and still function as a human being. For a lot of folks we need to see the light at the end of the town and, unfortunately, we dont. The caller earlier question about the anxiety i think a lot of it is engendered by the uncertainty both among kids and parents. Theres a lot of concern about whats going on and what should be done and thats really come from the top down. There hasnt been a consistent response federal response to this. Host to the level of anxietyte and issues have talked about because ofnx that, one of the chart you show your mothers showingec mostly about feeling lonely or iceland. Can you expand on that . Guest one of it has to do with mothers are disproportionately likely to be single, heads of singleparent households which we know thats a really important factor in terms of being a lonely. We know that also from other studies that mothers take on additional both emotional labor and extra physical labor around the house. They are engaged in more of the everydayes activities. Those two things are really a large part of the disparity between mothers and fathers in terms of both being lonely and which mothers score significantly higher, you mentioned the idea of not having time for themselves. To make specific categories, self the press and actually physically trying because of these emotional issues. Guest right. We found aem significant numberf mothers and we asked how much in a week so thats a relatively short time and significant number of mother said they cried because of feelings of being overwhelmed or frustrated. Less common among men. One of the things we assessed internally and how i talk about this stuff is we didnt i can ask a about feeling angry or other kinds of emotions that are more commonly associated and perhaps men are more comfortable in conveying and sharing of surveys. It may just be that women are more comfortable in sharing emotions but that meant and fathers are also in a great deal of Emotional Distress as well. They just express it differently. Host wet will continue on with the conversation and till the house in in a few minutes. George in ohio. Good morning. Caller good morning. Host you areoo on. Go ahead. Caller i was calling about yes, im a grandparent and we have a child, grandchild that we had in her home that we raised and stuff withh her mother. I was talking basically about parenting and school. What im trying to get at is people were worried about sending the children back to school because of the social environment they come in contact with when theyre inwi school tt they dont come in contact with at home. But if they are in school under conditions, they will not have the social compatible with their friends like they would under normal conditions. As far as the social distancing and wearing the mask and all that, those are all good things, but when youl send your child back to school under those conditions they are not going to be able to socialize with all the friends a like they normally would. People have to look at it, well, when they send their children back to school, okay, under the circumstances, they will not get the social occurrence with the friends like they normally would. Those are things that you just have to not delete out the window at this moment. When people are trying to teach the children at home, okay, their social system at home with her family, okay, is good, as with her friends. They are still able to communicate with the friends over the phone, over the internet, and so they are still being able to socialize with the friends, just not in person. So i being safe in school and doing the things the cdc and the local governments want us to do in school is a good thing. So parents send their children back to school for the simple reason of getting the social accommodations with their friends is not going to be what they think it is. Because they are not going to get that. Its just a matter of you have to be able to protect your child at all costs. And when you have Something Like this and people say it doesnt affect children. It does, okay . In certain circumstances. You want to be one of those one to send your child to school and did you get the virus and it does affect them . How are you going toet feel lex you are going to feel worse, okay . Because youre not protecting your child. Those who want to send the child back to school for the simple reason of their not getting the social accommodation of their peers, okay, look, this is going to pass at one time. Kids are going to be able to go back to school. I mean, i am optimistic. I am optimistic this is something we are going to have to face, our country has faced these things before ever going to face a and we will come out of this. Host fa i dont mean to interrupt, only because were theing short on time but child youre raising at home, is that because of covid related issues . Caller yes, how old is the child . Caller 12. Host these techniques that socialization things like that, is that what you are applying to your own grandchild . Caller yes. Host how is that working . Caller its working good, bob. My grandchild, she socialize with all her friends, over the phone, over the internet so she still socializes and shes in contact with them. So this idea that when you do send your child back to school its for the purpose of not the inner learning but being with the friends. Thats what theyre missing. Host gotcha. Thats george. Mr. Cox, i kept them on long but go ahead if you want to add to that. Guest one of the things that struck me as i call it was like he was just like how difficult logistics are of creating an entire newti sort of School Environment that can minimize the transmission. In her own daycare they sent us a fivepage list of new processest and protocols they e engaged in, and all the schools want to figure out what to do. Theres different age ranges, given activities and needs, social needs, medication. So its really a Herculean Task for a lot of these teachers and administrators, particularly if theyre not receiving any additi