Book team of rivals was the inspiration for Stephen Spielbergs lincoln in 2012. Doctor goodwin earned her phd at harvard. So coming up, were going to re air her in death appearance where she discussed her entire body of work and took phone calls. Will also be showing you discussions from her books, leadership in turbulent times. In holy pulpit. So well start with a january 1st, 1995 the parents on cspan series footnotes. In this hourlong interview, she discussed franklin and Eleanor Roosevelt in the home front during world war ii. Her book, no ordinary time, won the Pulitzer Prize for history. Now here is historian doris goodwin. Author no ordinary time. If you could ask either Franklin Roosevelt or Eleanor Roosevelt a couple of questions after all of the work that is done. What would you be. I think it would like to understand why she was unable a certain moment in the middle of the war when he asked her to be his wife again and stop traveling and stay home and take care of him, and is a yes to him. I know that he loved her. And i want to say, why did you do it pretty you will die soon. Wish you wouldve done it braided i think brand would want to understand what he could not share himself more fully with anyone. He was the most brilliant and charming, most thoughtful personality. Everybody thought how warm he was. But underneath. I want to try to understand why that was so and why he couldnt give him some more to the people who loved him. Will base his book different than all of the rest braided. Dorris i think what i wanted to do is understand not only franklin and eleanors relationship, but to understand the whole extended family this front of them in the white house. And he came understanding that these two characters really both needed other people to be the intended needs that were left over as a result of their troubled marriage. So when i came upon was the sense that second family quarters of the white house really like a residential hotel. Its about seven People Living there with him our intimate friends. And that was a part it was really fun for me. If he had asked a question of either one of them about personal relationships, they had with other people, it would be most interested in. Dorris not simply lucy who everybody is seen as essential romantic in his life because she had an affair with him back in 1980. That is almost broke up eleanors marriage, theres another woman that i think had an even more central role to play in his life. And that was his secretary. She has started working pouring and she was only 20 years old 1920 any she loved him all the rest of his life and she never married. Everybody in washington knew that he wa she was his other wi. She was the one who took care of roosevelt pretty he had a cold, she would bring the confidence into the white house. If he was grumpy she would arrange a poker game and night. Somehow she would be the one to be the hostess. She really was on the database is the closest person in the world to him. I would like to know more about her. Host you have in the book, this secondfloor scenario. And will get a closer shot here in some of these names. Why did you put this in the book braided. Doris it seems to me what the reader was going to get writing the book was i hope a sense of what it was like 50 years ago, to be the white house. Because each of these by someone who is very important either franklin or eleanor, the closest friends and in some case magic friends. It wanted everybody to see how close they were. To see that they can Wander Around and actually cannot talk to one another. In 1940 1945. Host as you can see here, you have Eleanor Roosevelts bedroom and right across the hall is lorena hickox. Now who is she and what was their relationship. This is the second floor of the white house. Doris a former reporter for the Associated Press and in fact 1933, she was considered legal female in the country, she weighed about 200 pounds, smoke cigars play poker with the guys. She was really smart. And she came to interview franklin and eleanor during the campaign and eleanor and she became really close friends. She fell in love with eleanor, reportedly to probably help eleanor become the activists first lady that she did. She came up with the idea of her leg press conferences every week braided only female reporters income. So whole porter. She was the one who came up with the idea the syndicated columns and eleanor wrote everyday. And really helped eleanor transform the role of the first lady of te ceremony to an activist one. In the course that she did fall in love with eleanor. I dont think eleanor fully reciprocated it she wanted her living nearby. She lived in the white house the entire time during the war. Host also the second floor, of the schematic is a room in which he hopkins lived in predict how long did he live in their annuity. Doris roosevelts chief demand a certain sense during the 1930s pretty that of the works in progress. Even a social worker originally. Book that when the war broke out in europe the van 1940, hopkins was staying overnight that night at the white house when roosevelt decided he wanted him nearby. He needed somebody who could talk to first thing in the morning, calculated night. And it was his chief advisor and Foreign Policy. Hopkins was before roosevelt met him. He was really unprecedented in terms of he made kissinger look like a mildmannered guy in terms of the power that hopkins had pretty incredibly loyal to results. And he was there from 1940 until 1942. And when he got married, roosevelt was sad pretty eventually stayed there for about six months. But then she finally wanted wife of hi customer on. Host mr. Churchill, who was roosevelts mother. And martha. Doris vincent pretty interesting room. First mother came, she wanted the back bedroom and that was his room there. She would come to visit maybe once a month, their mates and their servants, always be contentious and assert my in the white house. And then also, an interesting character who she would come to washington during the four years in exile from norway. Her husband the crown prince. In the of the way. And her son is currently the king of norway now. She was beautiful, and very tall. I think she had a gay spirited kind of conversation that he enjoyed. No more somehow understood that he needed the kind of companionship. So she would visit on weekends and keeping company in the movies and keeping him company to dinners at night. Often get when eleanor was away. This would be her sweet. But when churchill came, he was an incredible character and said that room. He would come and save her life. For weeks at a time. His habits were so exhausting and nobody else could sleep during the period of time he was there pretty would awaken in the morning of wine for breakfast. And scotch and soda for lunch and friday night. In Smoking Cigars until 2 00 a. M. And whenever he would finally leave after being in. Reporter care for weeks, the staff would have to sleep. In order to recuperate. Host you mentioned the relationship between Princess Martha of norway and fdr was romantic. Doris some of the people lived in the white house at the time suggested that he was that was the girlfriend. Real flirtations between the two. I suspect thats what the element of the relationship was pradip it wasnt some political partner. Some old friend and companion. It was a flirtatious relationship. Whether it went beyond kissing and romance or pleasure i dont know but it certainly was not afraid. Host and a state in one of the rooms. Shes in this picture in the middle of next to her father. What was their relationship. Doris its interesting. Some of the most moving moments of this period of time. Anna had originally been the mothers daughter. When i was a young girl and adolescent, eleanor had told her the story of the fact that her father had had this affair with the state long ago. Anna had taken her mothers side. And over the years the tooth grown so close, that they read each other letters to her three times a week. They saw each other for five times a year even when anna lived on the other best friend what would happen is in the middle of the war, after eleanor rejected franklin to stay home and beat his wife again, he got so slowly that he is the daughter anna to come and take the place. Missy by that point, even though she was only in early 40s and a stroke you can never speak again. It is one of those devastating things roosevelt during the work years pretty because it was so lonely without missy and the mother had also died. He asked anna to come and stay in the white house. Then what happened is in some ways she became her fathers daughter. Kid long legs, tall, left cocktails. She could stay up at night, all of the things that eleanor never vetted easy to do pretty eleanor begin to be come display street is very complicated relationship. I live on main street in concord, massachusetts. I think of the compromise. Love the city and a gruff actually outside of new york my husband loves the row country. He wanted to live in maine. So it was near enough to boston that i can every city life and closeups country my husband to feel like he was living outside of the summer. Our country than suburban. Richard goodwin, writer also. My husband. Recently hes been involved in the scandal, really because his first job was to investigate television. We are having a great time right now, 27 yearold actor the big screen. Its really been fun. But mostly my husbands a writer. And i met my husband in harvard. As teaching at harvard. And of course of the presidency. Talk to the market government courses and he came to finish a book for you had an office with this Little Institute in he had an officer next to mine. Host he dedicates book 23 people prayed for they pradip. Doris probably mustve part of people in my life, one in his 20s, and one in college and the other one is still something got in high school. And it wanted to end. I wish they were young again. Ive written three books pretty. Doris the first book was Lyndon Johnson and the american dream. They came out of the experience that i will forever treasure. Having been 23 and 24 years old, and working for president in the white house having him with his memoirs. I keep think johnson is round. I the 700 page book. That is the first book. A great experience to try to understand that man who i found so sad in his retirement of olives at the ranch. So think he had nothing left in his life. And it seared into my mind for ever made of the first book in the second one was called the kennedys read and it was a three generation history think the Kennedy Family. In fact, partly made possible by the fact that, i mean, excess to their private papers. An admin in the attic for over 50 years because i have has been entered. One of the reasons why this book in the response mean so much is that the first time i had to drive and trent go through without the advantage of knowing the Kennedy Family. Host is a new information in the book. Doris yes. Fight to think this period of time, by focusing on American Home front rather than the battlefront, for all the thousands of books that have been written about world war ii, very few the focus on what happened here at home. Most of those have been testate kind of books. In a chapter on civil rights and then one on companies incarceration camps. And others on factories with very little evidence of trying to understand was both leadership. But immobilized democracy. Somehow i think that is his greatest contribution in certain since to the corporate even more than the strategy of the war itself. Kathy got her country to produce the weapons for the war. In turning around the economy and isolation of the economy rated one with that was distilled the midst of a depression and making it so productive is a great story. Host what about the white house diaries. Speech of this was one of my incredible tools there for anybody to see in the Roosevelt Library in there on microfiche. At the end of the day the white house usher who was her route would record everything that happened during the day. And they go to breakfast at 715 and we had lunch with the dinner with and then you can use that as a foundation to go example, suppose he had lunch with someone and i knew that they had diaries predict a good visit there diaries to find out what he talked about at lunch. They report that eleanors, and i knew that she had a diary. So in some ways it was like a detective to a party there for anybody to see. The public but had not been used before printing so easy and Wonderful Party to harold hickeys was the secretarys sons currently in mr. Clintons white house staff and he would healthy old prison at the time. And then the secretary of the treasury effect he was one of my favorite stories the book because roosevelt had annual poker game every year. In the rule was that whoever was ahead of the moment the speaker mouse called to turn, would win. One particular note, market he told responding to degenerate 930 and roosevelt said something is going. Sorry i cant talk to you i am in denial of a poker game. And finally admin i, roosevelt started running. And the phone rang. And he said oh mr. Speaker, youre injuring now. Roosevelt once again. Total manipulation. Everything is rated to the next morning. And Congress Actually adjourned at 930 was so angry that he actually resigned as secretary of the treasury. Until roosevelt turned back into it. It is a among these cabinet members of the time. To play poker together as well as work together. Host are members of the s residing at one point in fdr writing him a letter and respect. Doris he resigned several times. He had been upset about policy issues. But roosevelt wrote him a very great letter saying that you cant resign i need you for it is important. Absolutely right. Originally, i couldnt believe it. They did talk and show the kind of law in some ways that they felt for this man was still the president. Host is this your letter you think he gracefully replied. Makes me feel all fluttering. And youre right about me as you did is like an accolade into my spirit. Then he goes on. How did you go about this prayed for did you work. Doris works in terms of research at the roosevelt average three to wonderful thing. Is that it make you feel like youre going back in time because the house will roosevelt was born, the place where eleanors cottage there it looks exactly as it looked when they were there. As an engineer in the middle of working in a library room and you walk around these environments to meet and really feel like you back 50 years in time. So wonderful. You stay on classroom Roosevelt Library into feel like this is what youre supposed to be doing. Host wears a library. His speech of new york pretty for me massachusetts, was monitoring half hour drive. The hudson river far below. The house sits on a few feet from the library where he is more varies a bit of miles. Sear surrounded by beauty by doing this kind of openness and research. Hostwhat happened at the cottage that roosevelt had built for eleanor pretty the cottage actually was 22 grams. It was not a small luke cottage but what happened in 1920, after his affair with lucy. And then decided to Stay Together, they gave eleanor the freedom to go out side the marriage to find fulfillment. She became involved with the pogrom of women were activists. Fighting for preformed causes. And franklins mother always looked at these women they would come inside their saddle shoes on. And they were the kind of fancy people that she was used to. So learn to dont feel comfortable bringing her Women Political friends to the big house or franklin had lived. Sue 500 show the picture here of missus roosevelt, the mother the middle. Doris is a perfect picture. By franklin and eleanor got married, theyre about to townhouses in new york, one for her and one for them. And doris went right in between. So anyway what happened was roosevelt seeing how incredible honor felt about having preventative a house that was suggested that he would filter her own cottage. Internet beautiful 22 world room house. Another mild half or so from the big house. And led eleanor the first of an elective the home of her own. She loved it. Cheshire lived in the place after she after he died. Host how far from new york city doris probably couple of hours prayed by train is 11 hours along with the river. In dutchess county. Host in those years, the warriors to be writing about here where did the roosevelt spend their time besides the white house and the park. Doris the path of the most important place for both of them he would drink the whole presidency 200 times to the parks. That is the most important place pretty he would get the return pretty often get on the train in washington maybe at ten or 11 at night and i would reach i parked by the morning. So he would be asleep on the train pretty loved charlie what train. His own apartment pretty he didnt like fastmoving transportation and he hated airplanes. He feel grounded on the train pretty eleanor like to get places fast. So she only like to travel by plane. For she would go with him by train as well. Sue nieves what you did he die. 1945, april 12th. What year did he contracted polio and ff the leg irons. 1921 when he was only 37 years old. And contracted polio. Doris i understood more by doing this with that i am happy for was how much that paralysis was a part of his everyday life. On like so many people in the country have the feeling that he had conquered the pauly as a man was civilly left lane. But in fact he was a full parent apologetic. He had to turn his body to the side of the data being have to do is military by the valet to get to the bathroom. He couldnt walk. Braces on their feet made on the arms he can appear to be maneuvering himself forward. The most extraordinary moment when im doing research on the book, i interviewed betsy women who had been married to jimmy roosevelt. The results of the sun and she said she asked him once in the middle of the war, how do you sleep at night. And she said i need the polio still huge part of his imagination because he would describe the needed own method of counting sheep he would imagine his young boy again at the park and a favorite sledding hill behind the park. The presidency as he filings is the benign he would imagine his young boy get going on the sled and you every curve of the hill. Nobody get to the bottom of the hill the river, he would run to the top and do over and over again until