How would you answer that ioquestion . Guest it is a question that we should never really have to ask but the state of the country today is such that it is a relevant question to ask unfortunately and we have seen over the past r six months or so significant violence erupting in cities from coast to coast and in americas heartland so it does raise the question in peoples minds how much of this violence, if any, is related to the political environment and whether it will continue after the election. None of us really have an answer to that but i worry a great deal that for example if President Trump is elected those who are opposed which seem to be, many of those thatt engaged in violet acts will continue their violence but it is difficult to say and its unfortunate that we are in a situation where the question has to be asked. Host what does it say about the state of the country and how do we get here when a september poll that politico cited from you go to a nationwide story found 44 approval begins in 40 of democrats said they would be at least a little justification for violence if the other partys nominee wins the n election. It is something i think back to when i was in congress or college back in the 1960s and we had sniffing and violence across america and we had many bombings which thankfully we havent seen these days but the difference, i think, today with the violence has opposed to the late 1960s there are people, Public Officials at the state and local and federal level that seem to not only turn a blind eye to the violence that is occurring but implied, not if explicitly, discounted and thereby encourage it. That is a significant difference fromro the late 1960s when you had rampant violence in many cities. You had consistent and very uniform pushback by public p officials against that. The fact is nowadays we have publicbl officials who, not only will not condemn the violence but in some instances seem to encourage it. That makeses for a very dangerous situationth. Host which Public Officials would you point to is the biggest perpetrators of that . Guest for example, the mayor in chicagogo. Her response to the violence that we have seen in chicago, for example, is to one condemn President Trump as if he is out there in the streets looting and burning cars and attacking police and she calls for more gun control which is absolutely irrelevant, particularly in chicago which has some of the strictest gun control in the country. Gun control has nothing to do with the violence in the looting and the burning and the attacks on police and the constant high murder rate in chicago and yet chicago does not seem willing or able to address that. Host you are part of a group of about 60 Republican NationalSecurity Leaders who have endorsed President Trump in 2020. Does President Trump need to do anything to lower the temperature here . Guest it always is good for a president to say things thatt lower the temperature and im a little concerned that is not been something that has been happened consistently but at the same time i do think it is important for the president as he has done to be out there supporting Law Enforcement and talking about law and order as an important component of national leadership. Host do think law and order message is getting through whery issues competing for the issue of campaign 2020 . Guest interesting question because at the end of the day in any electionat at some level people and voters certainly are concerned about violence. As president nixon said back in 1968 when we were seeing a great deal of violence across america he said that the most fundamental or one of the most fundamental Civil Liberties that american citizens should be able to enjoy is to be free from domestic violence. I think this year it will play a higher degree of relevance in the campaigning then and normally would but its certainly not the only issue out there in the issue of the economy and the issue of the health of the American Public and but law and order certainly going to play a role in the election, particularly as we have seen in recent months i a surge in the street violence and in major cities. Host bob barr, our guest. It served eight years in congress as a republican from georgia and currently president and ceo of the lawenforcement Education Foundation. Phone line if you want to join the conversation is support the trump pens ticket, 202 7488000, biden and harris, 202 7488001, as folks continue to call and congressman what is the lawenforcement Education Foundation and what do you do next . Guest the Lawenforcement Foundation is law etf which i have the honor of heading up we issue articles and pull together a media and we aggregate media stories that are important for Law Enforcement and important for americans to know about Law Enforcement and we also provide some small grants to Law Enforcement departments across the country. For example, if a Department Needs additional protective vests but does not have the funds through their local government to obtain them we are able to help out sometimes as well. What is most important, law and order, police said viewers should know about. Guest the t most important story people should know about is the continuing inability of Many National or unwillingness of Many National democrats to firmly supporton their police. I think it was senator harris the talk recently about reimagining the police. That is the sort of nonsensical stuff that doesnt move us anywhere even in the recent debate, both the Vice President ial debate and the president ial debate betweenti President Trump and former Vice President biden there seems to be a tremendous hesitancy on the part of the democrats toat come out and say the reason weve had in recent years decreases in violence crime against america is because we have strong Law Enforcement and we have support for Law Enforcement by our governments at all levels. If you take away that support any leave Law Enforcement without having their backs covered by local and state and the federal government you will see those assisted six over the last few years and youve seen a drop in violentyo crime and you will see those start rising dramatically. Host plenty of calls, terry in california to support the biden harris ticket. Good morning. Caller good morning. I have three questions. First, im constantly hearing about thefo reimagining of the police force isst a hit against the police and currently we have put more of police than they should handle but we should not they should not be handling the homeless or mental ill they are not trained for it. When we start seeing the abundance of violence where unfortunately death its because you have Police Officers that should not be called on mentally ill people. They only had ten hours to even learn about it. You need to have people there that are familiar. Host thats one big topic. Lets let bob barr jump in on that. Guest the caller makes a very, very good point. On the one hand we are demanding more and more of Law Enforcement but were not giving Law Enforcement the tools to handle or deal with those issues. Your caller points out a very, very important issue. You have mentally ill people on the streets in these major cities and yet when police try and deal with it and they are not really trained to comprehensively to do it as your caller points out but when they try and deal with it and there is a problem sometimes as we saw during the obama biden a administration the federal government will come in and criticize them for not being able to deal with mentally ill and will then bring court acts against them which then further limits how the police can operate. Its a very, very good point. Host hernando, florida, supports the trump pence ticket. Caller you asked earlier in the first segment how to stop the violence of whatever and one thing you could do is never having someone like your first guest on who just provided a lot of divisiveness and hate and did a number of lies. The second thingng i think the correct Democratic Party is probably the largest divisive hate group in the u. S. What i would like for mr. Barr is why doesnt the democrats condemn antifog and what can a Democrat Party do to stop the violence and hatred . Host mr. Barr. Guest that is very much in the news these days and there is an argument over whether antifa exists or what it means or whether its an organized or highly organized or poorly organized movement but the fact of the matter is it does exist and its out there and we have seen its advocates throwing trash cans full of fires and looting buildings and so forth and helping to organize these Peaceful Demonstrations that have turned into riots with looting and burning and for some reason the caller poses a very good question that it would seem to me to be a nobrainer for Vice President biden and senator Kamala Harris and other immigrant leaders at the National Level in particular to say we condemn antifa and we may not know everything about it and we may not know exactly how it is organized but we see it and see what it is doing and we condemn it. It would go a long way i think to helping to bridge the difference in the gulf between the democrats and the republican tickets on law and order if the democrats would simply say we condemn antifa short of the same thing they are demanding over and over again that President Trump condemn White Supremacy violence which he has. Host we spent time talking about political divisions in this country. Ta do you see a new American Civil War looming . Guest no, i dont. I would hate to ever have to answer that question yes. I do see a great deal of division and our country but that is nothing new producing this building for several election cycles now but i have ultimately at the end of the day tremendous faith in the American People that they will not go down that route. We just saw, for example, yesterday in michigan both the fbi and the state Attorney Generals Office in michigan take action against a small group of men who apparently were plotting against both the police and against the governor of michigan. That was uncovered and those people now will face our justice system. Yes, while there certainly are elements of that fringe group on all sides of the political spectrum i dont see that taking hold generally as a Broad Movement that would result in a civil warar. Host jacksonville, florida. This is frank, undecided rude good morning. Caller good morning. Thank you for taking my call. Good morning mr. Barr. There are some things that you said that im kind of baffled act. The recent rise of violence. Im originally from birmingham, alabama a place that is known for bombs. I remember growing up hearing bobs every day. I want to know if there is some training, some training, since you have the education department, what training do you suggest that the police get . What can they do to make them more sensible to all elements of protecting the citizen . Guest here again your caller makes for a very good point and focusing on Police Training. This is an area that both myself and my positions of the Law EnforcementEducation Foundation and a number of other experts,em and i dont include myself as an expert but a number of experts have identified as one of the problems in modern lawenforcement and that is the lack of good comprehensive training for Law Enforcement officers. Part of the reason we are seeing a think a decrease in proper training for Law Enforcementa officers is the result of budget cuts, frequently when local Police Department faces a budget cut one of the first, if not the first place they cut is training and that is unfortunate because not only are we then getting Police Officers who dont really understand how to use the powera they have such as we saw in minneapolis with george floyd earlier this year but they also are not receiving the type of training that is necessaryry to make them realize how important it is for them to understand the community in which they are operating and that is very, very important. T. Its important to understand the jobs and the problems Police Officers are facing but deeply important for the police to understand and be compassionaten with the community in which they are serving. Its a very good point that we have much more training and better quality training across the boarde in this country. Host if members of congress and the president s came to babar today and said we want good comprehensive Police Training what would you say it will cost and who should lead that training and who is doing it right . Ul guest there are of course at the foreman of justicece right w a number of programs, grants, they go to Police Departments that they are insufficient. One of the things i would urge is for congress and the house and the senate to come together and better fund the Current PoliceGrant Programs through the justice assistance, for example but also to increase the scope of that training. Unfortunately, the environment and this congress in both the house and the senate is so divisive that even on Something Like increasing Police Training both the funding and the scope of Police Training it doesnt seem like they could get together but that would be one area that i think would be very, very productive. I also think that over the Prior Administration the Obama Biden Administration there was almost an adversarial relationship between the apartment of justice and many local Police Departments that did not help at all. We need to see, i think, a better working relationship with tween the federal government and local police that has not and has been this sick or adversarial. Victor is next. Biden harris ticket. Caller yes, i was wondering, what you thought about the fbi director being criticized by President Trump for not going after antifa and he said it was not his a problem as the white Militia Groups. He could get fired if trump says i dont like what you are doing and i will fire you. Should the president be able to fire the fbi director . He will be the only one without any approval from congress or Nonpartisan Group that would say if he was acting inappropriately and he supposed to be independent from the president. Guest director of the fbi has a degree ofto independence that is broader than a lot of officials that are inti the executive branch. It does not completely insulate him nor should it. The director of the fbi is serving at the pleasure of the president and there should be a good working relationship in terms of the priorities between the head of the fbi and the president and the attorney general. If you dont have that that could create problems that work their way all the way down to the local levels. If you dont have a good working relationship between the president , attorney general and the director of the fbi but a president and president s in recent years have been, i think im a good about not exercising their power to relieve the head of the fbi simply over policy disputes. If a president is going to remove the director of the fbi he must to be good reason it and that should be explained to the congress. With regard to christopher rays comments and the dangers posed by different groups of their certainly violent white supremacist groups have always demanded and should continue to demand a high priority by the fbi as should movements like antifa and i dont think the director of the fbi was saying that antifa is not a problem but i think what he was saying is its more difficult to deal with that because of the disorganized structure of antifa but it certainly is a problem and i would be concerned if the director of the fbi said it was not a problem at all but i dont think thats what he was saying or at least i hope not. Host s story at a bloomberg yesterday read this way, fbi director Christopher Wray had no plans to resign a bureau of Officials Say if not the supporters to pop demands for the relief of Sensitive Files they say it will show on toms 2015 campaign. Ray serving a 20 year term and doesnt plan this time to step down according to an fbi official on condition of an amenity part how