Of opportunities to get in trouble and inflame racial tension and all the other things. And certainly, the ready access to drugs. I know the recent scholarship suggests the drug problem wasnt that bad. I dont believe it, at least in my experience. It was extremely bad. And that was even on the advisory team. There was evidence there i could go into but wont. So yes i think there was a , problem. Now, whether it was all that heinl describes, and some of his word choices were unfortunate, i think, yes. Definitely yes. , it is important to note i think at this that the fact point that jim had six of 18 soldiers in jail doesnt say wilbanksbout lt. Leadership. I just want point that out. [laughter] lt. Wilbanks or it might. You never know. [laughter] our last question before i would like to turn it over to engage of the panel we seem to be in agreement that there was at least a problem, if not a crisis. How much of these problems you have identified this morning how much did they have an impact and affect the ongoing war and whether or not americans achieved victory, perhaps victory, in South Vietnam . Did this have an impact in terms of the result americans saw coming out of South Vietnam . It is kind of a chicken or the egg thing. Because yeah, there were problems before we decided that we werent going to win. But then once that decision is , made, and it has trickled down to everybody like jim says, who , wants to be the last person to die for a mistake . So, i dont know. It is hard to pinpoint one or the other as the cause, preexisting versus the situation, but they both certainly feed off of each other pretty intently, i think. Lt. Wilbanks well, certainly, there is a causeandeffect there, but not the determinant cause. I think the determinant cause was that we were going to with withdraw regardless. If you look at the announcement midway in june 1969 about the it waswal and the result , always predicated on what was going on in the battlefield, how arebn wasing, harvey arben was doing and what the enemy was doing. , once those things started, it was as kissinger so aptly put, perhaps unfortunate for him when it became public later, it was like eating salted peanuts. Once you did one, you had to announce the next one, and it became irrelevant what happened on the battlefield. So in fact when the easter , offensive was over and the South Vietnamese prevailed with massive amounts of u. S. Air power, nixon had his opportunity to declare victory and go home. Whether morale had anything to do with that decision, thats certainly questionable. In my mind, the decision ought had already been made regardless of morale and other issues another problems. And of course once we are gone, it is the arbens problem. Do you want the last word . How it ended up in vietnam . Any questions from the audience . Comment on jims comment. We will talk about this, the difference is in the perception between Senior Leaders and the troops. To commanding general used emphasize that, the need for understanding the troops, he said, because the troops perception is they are the platoon. That is a pretty good way to describe it. [laughter] thank you all for your time this morning. Im sure the panel will be more than happy to take your questions. I appreciate the conversation and look forward to spending the rest of the day with you. Thank you. [applause] coming up, the cspan cities tour takes you to the city of mountains like to hear about the restoration of a transport plane. They dont build airplanes like this anymore. This is a piece of history. I like to think about the lives that have been influenced and the careers this airplane might have changed. Over the last 18 years, the airplane has been the centerpiece of our museum, but it has been a static centerpiece. So one of my first goals for the museum was to figure out how we can bring new life back into the museum, to get these antique historic airplanes into the air, where they belong. Along came the 75th anniversary of the dday invasion. What a unique opportunity to join in a major part of history that these airplanes were built for and to partake in the 75th anniversary of the dday invasion. Our museum is known as the museum of mountain flying. It is dedicated to the Pioneering Spirit of a gentleman known as bob johnson, who helped develop aerial programs here. And i knew to start a project , like this, we have had this historic c47 airplane here for 18 years, and it has become a gathering for the retired smoke jumpers. And the aerial firefighters. But to be able to pull off an event that would take us around the world and back, we needed more Community Support than that, so we formed what is known as the miss montana to normandy campaign. The name, the miss montana, comes from a world war ii plane flown by my grandfather. World war ii. He flew 286 combat hours