In beirut, lebanon. This video is courtesy of the roco the Ronald Reagan president ial library. [captions Copyright National cable satellite corp. 2020] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. Visit ncicap. Org] pres. Reagan if you need a transcript, we are happy to provide one. William i will need that. I am sure. We will bring the head of the voa down [indiscernible] then, our editorinchief thought it might be more effective oneonone. Ken deferred to me. Pres. Reagan i remember an interview once i had have you ever seen their headquarters . It is kind of a beautiful country home, spacious lawns. William it is indeed. The president captivated our founder for four and a half hours and then had to leave to make a speech. It was a memorable lunch. What we would like to do here, sir, is to ask you some questions so that our readers here and abroad, about 100 million of them, can have a better idea of president reagan the man. I would like to start off by asking what has surprised you the most pleasantly and unpleasantly about being inside the government you have for so long observed from the outside . Pres. Reagan well, first of all, one surprise, pleasant or unpleasant, was how little i was surprised. Because the eight years as governor of california, i realized when i came in here, suddenly it wasnt the great shock as becoming governor had been. The discovery of the kind of routine, the scheduling, the all of that, and while there was the international situation, the rest was, as i say, not too shocking. There was, however, there was a surprise having to do with being the commanderinchief and things of that kind. One part that shocked me a little bit was a week after we had been here, we were invited to a sunday lunch. A helicopter picked us up on the lawn. Very shortly, we landed there at his farm and he told me that they had been there several days installing phones. I said what do you mean . Installing the phones . Thats when i found out that i cannot even go across town to a lunch or private dinner without phones being installed. It was explained to me jack explained it, they had explained it to him that wherever i was i had to have the ability to communicate, anyplace in the world. And in telling him this, they told him they could reach to to inform me. He challenged that them on that and they said, name someone. Jack is telling me all this, and he named a son of his who was on Embassy Guard in a country in africa, and they got him on the phone and he and his wife got to talk to his son. They asked him if he wanted someone else and had another son who was a quartermaster on a destroyer out in the sixth fleet in the mediterranean. When he said, can you get him . They said no. You said you could get anyone, he said. They said, the flute the fleet is on maneuvers. The only one who can get the fleet when it is on maneuvers is the president. Thisck was telling me all and we got there and got in the house. I met the young mans wife, a very sweet young lady, had not seen her husband for months. I excused myself, went back out, and i said, is this right that i could get someone on the uss in the sixth fleet . They said yes, sir. Get quartermaster kilpatrick. And i went in and got her. She got to talk to her husband whom she had not seen for all of those months. I did not realize what i had done. It was a surprise to find out what just a few words from me i had to think better because i got a letter from quartermaster kilpatrick and he told me i would be surprised what air traffic was like. I hadnt even thought it through , that the last portion of the call would be by radio. Said that the air admirals talking to admirals and ships talking to ships constantly and then a voice on the air said white house calling. Another voice said what code is that . Another voice said maybe it is not a code, maybe it is the white house. He said even hollywood could not have silenced the air as quickly as it was silenced and they got a lowly quartermaster on a destroyer. To come to the phone. And he wrote this line, which i never forget. He said, it was as if the got as if god had called the vatican and asked for an altar boy by name. William that is great. Making that call was obviously not the toughest decision you have had to make. What has been the toughest decision in 4. 5 years . Pres. Reagan there are a lot of tough decisions, the ones where there is so much right on both sides. I make the cabinet go over these things in front of me, and when there are differences of opinion, because of the split between right and wrong, when i have heard enough, i make the decision. I have always used cabinet as i did as governor, as kind of a board of directors, except for one thing. They dont vote. I have to make the decision. But i think the hardest ones will always be those instances where you have to where you order our young men in uniform to go to someplace where their lives will be endangered. That is without doubt the most difficult. William when you became president , you did not have any Foreign Policy experience. Has your view of the world changed in the 4. 5 years . Pres. Reagan i have to tell you, the premise is a little wrong. Not that i had been a diplomat in any way, except again, having been governor of california, while it did not have a Foreign Policy, if california were a nation, it would be the seventh ranking economic power in the world. So i had some interest in it. And it is, i guess, the biggest percentage of trade in and out of our country is by way of california. But it wasnt that. I had always had an interest in international affairs, particularly because of the soviet union, and when i was screen actorshe guild, the effort of the communists to move in on the Motion Picture industry. All i can tell you is when i was running for governor, some of the press editorialized that if i did not stop talking about international affairs, i could never become governor. But i did have that interest. And then as governor, four times the president asked me to do some missions, errands for him abroad that took me to 18 Different Countries in the world. Some of them, several times, more than once. So that has always been an interest of mine. There wasnt much that had to be changed in my opinion about the good guys and the bad guys and what our responsibility was. William did it bother you that when you came into office, some or maybe even many european intellectuals or elitists viewed you as an actor, cowboy with simplistic views about the world . And if it did bother you, do you think that view has been altered during your term . Pres. Reagan it did not really bother me so much because i had gone through that same thing being governor. There were some people that thought to go straight from the acting profession to governor without having held any other Political Office was, as you no, it didnt bother me so much. I do think there has been a change now that we have become personally acquainted. When i say we, i mean heads of state of a number of our allies. We are all on a very cordial first name basis at, say, the economic summit. I dont think that prevails now. William what books and what thinkers most influenced you before coming to the white house . Pres. Reagan that is a tough question. I have been a voracious reader, whether it has been nonfiction as well as fiction. That and articles, publications and so forth. To try and pick out someone in particular, i dont think i can. I have opened myself up to just about all the viewpoints there are in that sense. My greatest dread, my nightmare, is that sometime i might be caught in a hotel room someplace with nothing to read. I dont think i could go to sleep or shut my eyes if i did not read myself to sleep at night. William you mentioned before in and passing and i would like to get back to it, your role as president of the Screen Actors Guild. I read that that period in your life perhaps more than any other shaped your attitudes and your policies. What did your experiences as a labor leader teach you . Pres. Reagan i was very proud of the Screen Actors Guild at that time. When i went into the job, i found that it existed on some very firm principles. For one thing, the Screen Actors Guild said the guild would not be engaged in politics and nor would there be politics in the guild. We believed our members were of every kind of philosophy and therefore there was no way even by majority vote we had a right to take a position politically that might be counter to the views of our members. We also, and for two decades i was in charge most of the time of our negotiations of the reinstitution of the basic contract with the producers. I discovered, i did not institute it, it was already there, the screen actors grilled guild had its own rule, which was the qualities it could be. We stuck to those things. I had the pleasure after some of those years of negotiating to have the head of one of the studios, who was always very prominent in their negotiating committee, tell me one day that when the guild was first proposed, the idea of an actors guild, he was one who fought the hardest against it. But he said i have come to believe that the Screen Actors Guild is the most constructive force for good in the Motion Picture industry. But william could you describe briefly the fight with the communists over control of the Screen Actors Guild . Pres. Reagan yes. Incidentally, i was a new deal Democrat Fresh out of the war, in uniform. We got out and there had been the aflcio, they had pledged no strikes. And yet of the 43 guilds and unions in the Motion Picture business, most of us were aflcio unions. And this strike was a jurisdiction strike. It was called over whether some 350 people in the entire picture industry should be members of the Stagehands Union or members of the trade union. We had that mix. And back from the days of the great strike on broadway in the theater days, there had been a tradition in the picture business to reconcile the differences between stagehands what had happened in the theaters in the old days was a stagehand did every thing in the theater, not just ask stage but not just backstage but the stage. If a seat needed fixing in the front, he came out like a carpenter and fixed the seat. This had led to the jurisdictional strike on broadway. The settlement finally was that everything behind the proscenium arch was the stagehands, and everything in front of it belonged to the craft unions plumbers, carpenters, so forth. In hollywood, they made the proscenium arch the soundstage door. Anything in there stagehands, was stagehands, but every studio had mills where they made the set. Ions, at the end of the day, you would see the sets for the next days shooting being wheeled down on rollers down the studio streets, huge sections like a whole wall of this room here, and all of it, into the soundstage. In the soundstage, the Stagehands Union set erectors put the pieces together, it was then behind the presidium arch. The person he him the proscenium arch. The issue they picked for this jurisdictional strike was that the set erectors should be carpenters. Carpenters worked in the mail in the mill and made those sections and these fellows only put them together. This led to the jurisdictional strike. The then czar of the Carpenters Union had always had a rivalry with the stagehands. So that was the cause of it. During the war, there had come subversion and infiltration of some of the unions, even some of the aflcio unions. They had formed a rump group called the hollywood conference of studio unions. This was in contrast to the aflcio labor council. So they were on one side and we were on the other. I was not prepared i was not a red baiter, i was a new deal democrat and i had never gone for all of the stories. I had been told when i got back by some that there had been this kind of infiltration into the picture business. I was not prepared to believe it. I am the one who made the motion on the board of the guild, i was a board member at the time, not president i made the motion that as long as there was this difficulty, that both sides giving a different reason as to why there was a strike, why didnt we, the actors, who were not involved in any way, why didnt we involve management and both factions to sit down at a table with us present, as a labor union, to kind of be the mediator . And to protect against men who had nothing to do with the strike, to sit down and find out because we had to tell our members whether to go through the picket lines are not. Or not. How do you take sides when a lot of the unions are in the studios and a lot of them are on the street picketing . And the board bought this idea. We invited them. There was great reluctance on the part of the striking unions to join us, but they did not see any way to say no. We met twice a day, it ended up almost seven months. Trying to settle these things. But before long, there was no question about it and i was completely converted when i found out that yes, this was not a legitimate strike. I learned it even better when we had made that decision and called a mass meeting of the screen actors for the hollywood legion fight stadium. And it was voted that i was going to report the result of these meetings to the membership and give them the boards recommendation that we continue to go through the picket lines and honor our contract with the studios. That was to be on a wednesday night. On a monday afternoon, i was on location on a picture we were making on the beach and i was called to the phone at an oil station some distance away. They came and got me and drove me down there. I was told on the phone that if i made that report to the guild membership, there was a squad that would see i would never work in pictures again. And so i made the report to the guild. There were pickets outside the Guild Meeting and so forth. I had about three quarters of a block walk, where my car was parked afterwards, and i felt very comfortable when i found that about eight of the teamsters union, all about the size of pro football players, decided they would just walk to the car with me. That, by the time i got back to the studio that day after that call, i had never heard of this in the Law Enforcement before but the Burbank Police in which the city was located, the representatives at the studio, the special police, which were the guards of the studio, were assigned to my house for 24 hours a day aroundtheclock. And also gave me a permit hung a revolver under my arm and a shoulder holster. That was the beginning of, i guess you didnt want the whole load on this strike but it went on for a number of months until finally, there was no giving in at all. Open withe studios the help of the unions in the management and as long as we were in front of the cameras, there was no way they could stop making pictures. Finally, it just was a case of, which we said to the people who were out on strike, get back to the studios the best way you know how. In some of those meetings with them, the strike committee, they were not all communists, i sat and heard Union Executives of some of the unions speaking to their chairman and saying look, we know the communists have got control of the strike and weve got to get it back in our hands. They were legitimately fooled and they didnt realize. That was the history of it. It was in that that i learned something that kind of set the stage for me as governor and later on, here. During all those months, there couldnt be times when i said to myself, oh my, to be making these decisions for thousands of actors and actresses whose careers are at stake. I found out that what i recommended they would do i decided the only way to sleep at night was to make up my mind that if i did what i honestly believed in my heart was right, and i may make a mistake, but if i honestly believed that was the right thing to do, that is what we would do. When i became governor, i told the cabinet that on any issue that would confront us, i did not want to hear any of the political ramifications of the issue. I only wanted to hear what was right or wrong for the people, and we would make the decision on that basis, not on a political basis. And i found i do sleep very well. William if i can ask you one more hollywood question. As an actor, you played many roles. Is there anyone role you would have liked to have played but did not get the opportunity to . Pres. Reagan oh. I have to tell you, there were many such. Once you are in that business and doing it, you see a picture and oh boy, and you find out the things you would do different. But yes, there was one. Being under contract with warner bros. , a picture called santa fe trail, i was the second lead, not the star, to errol flynn. It was a historical picture. He played jeb stewart and i played george custer. And all of the others were there and they had graduated west point into the calvary and it was the story of the capture of john brown. And i played that, and i always loved these people would say cowboy actor, good lord, my biggest fight with warner bros. , and i was there 13 years, is that they would not let me do pictures like that. I was doing drawing room comedies and so forth. Then they made they died with their boots on, the story of george custer. I had played him once. I wanted to play that part. I begged, i said i played him once. That part is mine now. But errol flynn played george custer. I didnt get to. William commentators and some former president s have talked of the loneliness of the presidency. And the burdens of the presidency. Yet you seem to approach the job with great relish. Do you find it lonely or burdensome . How would you describe it . Pres. Reagan no, i dont. I surrounded myself with people i have confidence in and believe in. I dont think i sit here all alone and decide everything by myself. As i say, i want to hear everybodys viewpoint. I dont give any indication of where i lean while i hear those viewpoints. I have had cabinet members who were cabinet offers officers under other president s tell me they had never been in cabinet meetings that were as fruitful before. Evidently, a lot of president s just simply use their cabinet as kind of, well, they meet periodically and different members would report what their departments were doing. The word i have gotten from these others is they never found or were in cabinet meetings where everybody, regardless of whether it affected the