recommended abacus to their very best and most important clients. if the answer to that question is yes, they would. i think a lot of the ethical question disappears, but i'm going to guess they wouldn't dream of offering that kind of merchandising, that kind of merchandise to their best clients. >> and the same question to you, ryan. in the hearing room, what's the question you want answered today? >> well, essentially is do you really care about your clients? do you really care about your bottom line? do you have an obligation to your clients or to your shareholders. if you are out there selling securities that you're shorting against you're putting your bottom line over the basic interest of your clients. you're not supposed to just sell securities for the sake of increasing your revenue. you're supposed to sell securities in order to increase the benefit of those purchasing these securities. so if you're shorting against them to increase your bottom line that's essentially the most glaring conflict of interest that is out there and we need to crack down on that. >> ryan mack, john vogel. appreciate it. thank you both. we'll keep track of goldman