released back into society. but one of the things i want to make an observation is about is that going into prison has a real affect on leaving. in other words, when you go in and you're less educated, 80% have no ged or high school diploma, there were no jobs in your community, full of poverty, drugs and despair. you go in, you get no training, no education. you come back out sicker and slicker than you were before you went in and victimize the community the same way. >> duane, you agree? >> i like that. thicker and slicker. i, of course, was there. i met a kid didn't do hardly anything. when i left, he said, dog, i'll take it from here. instead of learning how to shoot the lock off, you learn thousand pick it. it's a training field for felons. >> you have seen the worse at san quentin. that's true? they come out smarter criminals?