they pushed back, took those towns back from the rebels, including ajdabiya, which is where they are now. and for them, they see themselves as dug in. they say the rebels are attacking, there are civilians city ithe city, the civilians are unsafe, not because of us, they say, but because of the rebels. and they throw it back at the international community. ywhat we get here is, why isn't the coalition protecting the civilians in ajdabiya from the rebels? so that's the kind of rhetoric and logic, the logic that this government is stuck in, so you can see they're really stuck in this brain set, which mean they're not going to let hold o. ajdabiya. >> that interview i had with general carter ham, that interview will air. that's coming up later this hour and the next hour here in "the situation room." nic is in tripoli for us. aslet's go to the eastern part libya right now for more on what the rebels are trying to do in their effort to defeat gadhafi. reza sayah is in benghazi for us. lots of military action for us