short of being able to train this band of rebels, weapons is a choice and as mr. hadley indicated, it's necessary for this -- for the rebels to achieve any greater success and not achieve some stalemate, which everybody has decided is unacceptable. we would all agree that a partitioned libya is not what we're looking for. >> general marks, from a military standpoint, arming folks who, you know, have just been handed a weapon for the first time and giving them an rpg, is that -- is that practical? is that easy to use? >> the notion of the gang that couldn't shoot straight might be lived out. absolutely, there must be some degree of training associated with arming this force. however, some weapon systems clearly they can get a handle on and they can use immediately. it's the more lethal weapon systems that would require training and i don't think there's time to do that. clearly we have a checkered past in terms of those that we've armed before and having to face those weapons systems in battle