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he's actually giving "snl" and cnn a higher platform by engaging with us in this manner. >> he is certainly showing cable news and "snl"s relevant. i take salena's point, partly entertainment, i love watching the rallies for that reason. i talk to international correspondents who say this is exactly what authoritarians do. i think we need to start using those words on tv to discuss the possibilities before us. what you do in an authoritarian regime is delegitimize the press. do you see some of that 457g in the weeks since trump was elected? >> i've seen a continue a asian of what he's been doing since the very beginning. the last time i spoke to you, i was stressing the concept of a demagogue and the classic techniques of a sem gog.