about tillerson as it relates to russia. to qatar. >> no one could have as complicated a business life as donald trump. so i would be surprised. we'll find out if tillerson has holdings and deals and investments and hedge funds and everything else. i suspect he'll have a didn't kind of a problem. i mean, jill put her finger on it. a foreign policy is not just a series of deals. it includes things like values. it includes things like treaty obligations. things like strategic moves to make sure freedom is expanded around the world. things that don't necessarily lend themselves to the bottom line type calculation that business people are used to. >> errol lewis, jill dougherty, we're just starting to have conversations about rex tillerson. a lot of names were on the list. they tell us romney is still on.