i was just so indignant, way i'd been treated since then. i'll just hold onto this. i shouldn't have to tell them. >> during the interview, was he nervous? do you remember how he was at this moment? it was a huge moment at that time for him, personally and professionally. >> kate, i'll never forget that night, the interview really stayed with me for years. he showed up alone. this is an international superstar. no handlers, no publicists, no one. just him, alone. and i spent about an hour with him in the greenroom prior to going on, the breakroom, prior to the interview. he was so nervous. i really -- i wanted to impress on him that i wasn't there to persecute him, i wasn't there to prosecute him. it was just a conversation. and we agreed to do the interview live to tape. we sat down, started the interview, and frankly, it was so horrible, he was so nervous, that i stopped the interview and said, let's take a break, let's go back and talk off camera. and he was timid, he was nervous, he was anxious.