there is no public evidence. you don't have any and i don't have any. that's the point i'm making. >> i've never heard you make that point about any other investigation. if an investigation is ongoing, you don't question what you know or don't know because it hasn't concluded. it hasn't been revealed. that's the whole point of the investigation is to find out. why would you jump the process of political advantage in either way? >> why would you jump the conversation -- >> i'm not. you are and i'm not. you're saying there is no poiro of collusion so there must be none. >> i'm saying i don't think there's any collusion based on what i've seen. >> what's the difference? there is no collusion, i don't think there is any collusion. neither one is based on any evidence. >> we'll move on from this point. your network is running the stories nonstop and you don't have any evidence and i don't have any evidence at this point. we're running stories about it. >> i don't know what they have, and that's why calling it a witch hunt or egregious is the