black faces. >> interesting. okay. thank you very much. >> when are we going to see anybody of color on mtv because you said music television. when are you going to start covering all genres of music? >> music has no color, and it shouldn't have color. and i don't believe in that. what i do, i don't want it labeled black or white. i want it labeled as music. ♪ >> 1983, motown has this big tv special, motown's 25th anniversary. at that time "thriller" is out, and "thriller" is doing well. but michael jackson couldn't get "billie jean" on mtv. ♪ she was more like a beauty queen from a movie scene ♪ >> when the rest of the world was going crazy, and he can't get on mtv? michael jackson? come on.