this? >> i think that he thinks that roy moore could still win at the end of the day. he would rather be on the winning side of that no matter what that means morally and what that means for anybody else on the other side of it. he relishes being against mitch mcconnell, and on that island, because if somehow roy moore wins that race, and moves forward, bannon will be able to say, this is how powerful i am. look what i made single-handedly happen. even a child molester can get in the senate. and -- >> but curt, does he want that? there is a question, i know you know that everybody will ask of steve bannon, which is? >> which is do you really want to have the support of steve bannon who stood by a child molester? i think this potentially makes steve bannon a david duke-like