>> we don't agree with that. >> that's the point i'm making. >> you're saying they're secret gun controllers, i never intimated that. >> you're saying they're bought off. what are they being bought off to? being bought off to a position they don't agree with? is that what you're suggesting? >> do you think they're not influenced by the money? >> no. >> are you influenced by money? do you know where your bread is buttered? >> paul ryan you think he is a secret gun controller. >> no, no one's saying that, he's not a straw person. >> how is the money relevant? >> the money is relevant. >> it's getting them elected. >> money gets them elected. >> the nra is supporting him because he's pro-gun. >> they're coming down to an absolutist version of first amendment where common sense -- >> it undermines the entire point. >> no it doesn't, he is influenced by the money. >> no, no. >> you think the nra does not give him money -- >> he's 16, out hunting deer, he was in favor of gun control, then he ran for office and all this lobbyist money came to him