failure to report the bank accounts overseas are pretty straightforward. they're not complicated like the conspiracy to defraud the united states or the international money laundering component of the indictment, the first indictment. when you see that he really does not have a strong defense unless he can make gates out to be a stone cold liar, then, you know, what's he -- what's this braf add o all about? it might look great for the press. maybe he is angling for a pardon to say to the president, you know, i'm not going to cave. if you give me a pardon i won't testify. but of course that's not true also. he can be pardoned and still required to testify. so i think in the end -- i mean predicting the future is always dangerous with this white house and with these characters. but in the end i can't imagine, don, how manafort doesn't come to his senses if mueller wants his cooperation he will make an offer for him -- he can't refuse. >> great conversation but i have to run. thank you all. i appreciate it.