harris. and his position was that we really don't know what was said in these meetings that he had with harris at the white house and if jared kushner was miss clie his client, he would have advised him don't take the meeting because you will be in danger depending on the types of things that were discussed of potentially violating the regulations. >> were the different parties here aware that they were crossing potentially lines? >> we really don't know. we asked the white house or we asked mr. kushner's lawyer whether he sought any ethics advice to having meetings with both josh harris and also mike c on orbat at citigroup because they the gave kushner companies a loan last year after meeting with jared kushner in the white house and they declined to respond to the question. >> jesse drucker, thank you sir. i want to discuss this more with