what did the trump campaign think cambridge could offer? what were the goal, do you know? >> well, very soon after i left i know that alex andander nix w going to meet with lewandowski before trump announced hes with running and when they were still working for ted cruz. i don't know why they had that meeting. you have to ask cambridge analytica they were pitching. why were they talking to donald trump before he even announced? how did they know he was run brg he even announced and what is it if it wasn't for this data and fit wasn't for the algorithms, what it is you're pitching and using? >> those are good questions. more about corey lewandowski in a moment. you also say cambridge analytica was testing trump's slogans in 2014, terms that seemed to -- let me get the question out. parted pack the deep state and build that wall.