i was thinking about paul manafort. 3050 5 years in prison. what do you say to that? i give up. i mean, that is- that is unfathomable. michael, look, manafort's attempt to have the civil and criminal charges dismissed were pretty quickly thrown out. on what grounds did he try to challenge the deputy ag? >> what he tried to say was that mueller didn't have the mandate to investigate those charges that related to ukraine private business dealings and the failure to register as a foreign agent or failed to pay taxes on those monies. so he filed a motion to dismiss the indictment against him on the grounds that mueller was acting outside of his mane. mueller responded to that with an opposition to the motion to dismiss. and in that motion as appendix b or c -- i forget -- he attached a letter that rosenstein wrote to him in -- on august 2nd. remember mueller is appointed