citizen should be jailed. and i think the reaction of most of us was that's another one of those things. this is not normal. this is not okay. there's a danger that we will become numb to it and stop noticing the threats to our forms. >> with me now, npr justice correspondent, who was in the room. thanks for coming on. >> thank you. >> you've known comey for years and you've described him as having boundless confidence. but you said he's changed. what do you mean? >> he really talked about how it's taken a toll on him, how he struggled in the 2016 elections about what to say or not say, about the hillary clinton e-mail